neg4poz

for the record - many of you made some huge leaps into the conversation - I never said that being a twink made someone a bottom - small dicked - or incapable of throwing a hard fuck - I also never said that they didnt contribute significantly to the community both past or present - what I did say is that the community seems to be short on younger men who are butch - that the younger gay men who are out all seem to be twink types - and I put forward a conversation that does anyone think that its because they didnt have the same amount prejudices growing up - a tougher time... there is a HUGE difference between what I said and what some of you have accussed me of saying...

I live in what is considered the second largest "gay" city in the US - we have a very active community - it has a lot of mature gay men - but all ages are very well represented - but heres the thing - I never see some hot butch YOUNG guy - all the YOUNG guys seem to be these nelly little queens - call them twinks if you want - but they all have their gay little outfits - and talk and run around like little girls... sometimes I think maybe we worked to hard - that the new gay generation never went through the school of hard knocks - and they have no idea what it is to be a MAN- just little prissy queens who have no idea what it means to man up - is our future headed toward the loss of masculinity represented in our community - have we gone to far to open the doors of acceptance that boys blossom into flowers instead of men?

I never had anything but good good times at Mans Country but it has been at least 5 years since I have been - Steamworks was great as well I really miss all the baths and sex houses on O Street in DC before they torn them all down to build the new stadium - that placed ROCKED the Philly bath house was damn hot to - but be careful there are 2 of them within blocks of each other and one night I went into the wrong one and was the ONLY white boy there - the guys were very accomedating and I didnt feel threatened but I felt out of place and left shortly after have a few giggles with all the bros... living in FT Lauderdale I can strongly recommend Slammers and Club House II - but I find Club Ft Lauderdale a bore - even being well built and not hard on the eyes I find the guys full of attitude - too vanilla - and way way to much stand and model :yawn: the best bath house I ever went to was somewhere in Manhattan - I have no idea what the name was but it was the top floor of a skyscraper - it was several levels and pigs were everywhere - the shocker was when I can back out at about 8am and hopped on the elevator with ripped jeans - my ass hanging out - my cock in jock hanging out in the front - that the elevator started stopping on nearly every floor and all these buisness people would hop on with coffee and briefcase in hand ROTFLMAO - I guess they had seen my likes many a morning as not one even batted an eyelash...

a couple of years ago there where a main site kinda like geocities that popped up where tons of guys had created underground sites - usually within a week or so they would get shut down for "questionable" content - but the material was often very good and rare... I cant remember the name of the main site but I think it was the predecessor to the one that host latheofhell now... I think the stragedy they used to get rid of all the underground sites was to start charging for space... I too miss BN and BS - although BS was pretty much absent of any moderation and sometimes the trolls were relentless...

I bought several things on different occassions including the sling stand - it came just as others discribed - the customer service is amazing - top notch

LBRaw thanX for your reply... its even more complicated than that... he has professed his love for me - I invested a lot of time thus far because he has great qualities - and I like him - I have grown to love him - but I cant say that I am "IN" love with him - yet there iis something about all his good qualities and how much I like him that keeps me fostering the relations we are having... this is really difficult - I dont see him as a dead end - and I have shared a lot of extreme kinks with him and he is definetly a pig - he is actually the one who tries to initiate much much more pigginess into our endeavors - he wants SM - Bondage - dirty hole spit snot piss and BB are already on the table - but I just havent guaged how far I can push the envelope...

probably more effective in the right section... I am "kinda" involved right now with a man I deeply care about who is neg and scared to hell of converting - it is putting a major major strain on our sexual endeavors because it hasnt changed my disposition of wanting to be poz to be able to gift... I have not had that conversation with him - how do you tell someone that you really care about and like that your not into the sex because they have no capability/probability of knocking you up? he is definetly aware that there is something wrong with the frequency of sex in our endeavors - he doesnt know why...

Your first name (or a name you'll respond to): neg4poz A location (be at least as specific as a zip code): FT lauderdale FL Age: 49 Height: 5'7 Weight: 185 Ethnicity: white

I strongly endorse this product >eg<

while I am certain that I have NOTHING to say that will change the direction in which the the site owner/mods have decieded to go - I kind of feel cheated in that I didnt have the op to share - after all we talk about education and community here - I think its a good idea that we continue the discussion at least so we all feel that we have had the opportunity to CONTRIBUTE to probably the most important topic on the boards - which is where the site is heading.... I agree that the current formula doesnt work in specific areas - I have the infractions to show for it - I have had several infractions for talking about bugchasing in the gen discussion section - and yet there is the recent "an acceptable chase of stealthing" thread which reads like a free for all of bugchasing and obviously no hands were smacked - I once recieved and infraction for making a "poz" comment in the photo section in which the photo was a biohaz tattooed top guy barebacking a "healthy looking voluptious bottom" - what was I suppossed to say - nice pants? this is a quote from RAW: "Do you know Just Us Boys? I want the bareback version of that site... JUB is way more vanilla than this site will ever be just 'cause genuine barebacking is raunchy sex. But honestly I want a site that presents a mentally healthy approach to raw sex. Where guys can come to terms with the risk they're taking and then dive in with both feet and enjoy themselves and make the most of their sex lives without needing meth to do it." in other words come to terms with the fact that they are bugchasers? at minimal we all have to agree that there is a cross over - where ever there is barebacking there is at minimal an under current of chasing - many of you will disagree with my point of view that ALL bareback bottoms are indeed bugchasers - and thats fine - but at minimal you have to agree that there is an element of chasing associated with the risk that they are willing to take to have cum running out their assholes... there are always exceptions - but the majority of guys dont set out a course of action to say "I want to be a meth head or a crack head" -but does that make them any less of a drug addict a month later when they are hooked? does putting 3 bullets in a revolver and playing russian roulette make anyone less suicidal because there is a chance that they might not kill themselves? this is the BREEDINGZONE - it is based on the owners own words as a place for guys to come to terms with a BAREBACKING lifestyle - "JUB is way more vanilla than this site will ever be just 'cause genuine barebacking is raunchy sex. But honestly I want a site that presents a mentally healthy approach to raw sex. Where guys can come to terms with the risk they're taking and then dive in with both feet and enjoy themselves and make the most of their sex lives without needing meth to do it." I couldnt agree more - this isnt kid stuff - barebacking is raunchy sex - BUT is hiding the reality of the link of bugchasing really a healthy approach? the risk of barebacking IS bugchasing - the risk of T or Meth or X or whatever they are calling it today IS addiction - the risk of barebacking IS bugchasing - wether its subconcious or intentional or wether they are just to oblivious to give it a thought at all which is a highly recoginized path many take - EYES WIDE SHUT - ignorance is bliss - its all fun and games until someone puts their eye out is the olde saying... so I ask - is it really the path to healthy raw sex to put blinders on to bugchasing - or is it just neat and tidy? =========================== I am VERY experienced with the successes of internet sites - I will be happy to qualify in a private message with RAW if he would like - here is a few winning formulas I suggest to you... fairness across the board - the only requirment for the site should be the interest of BAREBACKING - all who share that passion should be welcome EQUALLY - chasers shouldnt bare (pun intended LOL) the cost of being a special interest and pay to access what they are interested in - if one pays then ALL pay - and if one can earn privledges then all can earn privledges - the formula for charging chasers or chemers only to access special interest is a LOSING formula - its not fair - its not a level playing field... if you want to build a community then there has to be a nonsexual section - we are not just sex - a COMMUNITY has outside interest - current affairs - music - media etc etc etc the list goes on and on - you dont just want the membership here when they are horny - you want them here as a HOME - that includes a place to talk about worldly things - and a place to play games and frolick - a section that is completely NONSEXUAL not only provides that place - but it will boost the sites postings - and in turn boost the ranking of the site in search engines - its a win win *NOTE - think hard about wether you want to include religious and political topics - they can be double edged and be very argumentive - do you want members fighting? do you want the boards to look sloppy? hard rules in place to prevent namecalling can work to keep things neat and allow inclusion of these delicate topics but in the end it will take much more moderating... this is where COMMUNITY is born - this is where bb and chasers and chems come together with their differences and values put aside and their common ground bound.... segregate more in the other areas - if you dont want poz remarks in the photo section then dont allow poz pics in that section and create a poz pics section in the chasing section - same for chems or anything else - if there is going to be sections then they should be all inclusive to that subject matter - you cant dangle grapes and not expect members to nibble - if you dont want comments like "what a beautiful fucking aids injector" in the photo section then make another photo section... whatever you deciede to do it should be a LEVEL playing field - no single type of member or special interest should bare more than any other - its is a LOSING scenerio

47 loads in 3 hours - I highly doubt that it happened - unless you are paying the tops to preform and unload - to edge and then dump when they are at the head of the line - or possibly volunteer if they know its gonna be a highly circulated video shoot by a reknown company and they want to be seen in the flick... reguardless - there would have to be a LOT of organizing for it to happen - thus where is the proof footage on film? it didnt happen... I once managed to take a lot of loads in a very short period of time - I dont know how many - somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen in about an hour and a half - it was dumb luck - I went to a bath house and it was fugly night - I was the hottest guy there and the only muscle boy - which is never the case in a city like fort lauderdale - and a guy with a HUUUUUGE dick took a shining to me - fucked me in a public room and the audience gathered - after he nutted the guys lined up to add their loads - they wanted to be where that giant dick dumped and they had a shot at fucking a guy that was hotter than they can usually bag...

hole2use and bbibbpark - I never said the bottom SHOULD be stealthed or raped - I said it should come as no surprise to him if it happens - and for the record I am neg and couldnt knock up a fly if I wanted to - bath houses and sex play spaces are REQUIRED by law to offer condoms and post safe sex public messages - but we ALL know there is a written code of play in certain places ie: blacked out dark "back rooms" - you cant tell me with a straight face that you think its RESPONSIBLE behavior for a safe only bottom to be throwing his ass up in the air in a dark backroom - its just bullshit - AGAIN there is a MILLION places you can persue your safe sex practices - its just fucking rude that you think you have the right to make demands on places where you know the boys are playing hardball - its all the fuck about you right? I am clean and sober for over 25 years - I like to play hardball - with that I make choices to visit blacked out places where PNP is often ongoing - drug use isnt even legal like barebacking is - but I wouldnt have the audacity to think I have the right to infringe on the norm of play space - if someone is partying in a method that I can be exposed ie: drugs that are smoked and exhailed then I remove myself from the space until the air clears - I am not so self centered to think that even illegal activity must halt on my behalf - its not all about me - nor is it all about you guys - you guys are either just stupid - self centered - or extremely immature to think the world needs to cater to your preferences - ITS A FUCKING BLACKED OUT PIG ROOM - its not YOUR BEDROOM - there are certain protocol that you want to pretend that doesnt exist or that need to parish upon your presence - just fucking foolishness - AGAIN this discussion is about RESPECT - you want your nonbareback choices to be respected but you want to infringe on the space of others - GO SOMEWHERE ELSE - the other MILLIONS of places where barebacking isnt the norm - and RESPECT the blacked out playspaces for what they are!

ehhh - I am a TRUE vers - prefer to top but am a little disillusioned that after all this time I am still firing neg loads - so I look to bottom as often as I top -I always drop viagra/cialis/levitra when I am going out for sex parties/enviroments - and find that my average legnth but fat bone swelling in tighty whites or a jock always gets interest from tops just as much as it does from bottoms - my take is that tops want to see that their ass plowing is boning me up - and I have the same perspective - I dont want a limp dicked bottom - I want to see that they are aroused - I dont care if they have a small dick - but I prefer that they show some signs of life - of course unless they are unconsious >eg<

none of these arguments are conviencing me otherwise - you have the right to not bareback but you dont have the right to infringe on the norm of the gathering - its a blacked out room reguardless of wether there is a glimpse of light - it has certain enuendos that are givens -its code - its a backroom - its no different than the reverse of someone showing up to a safesex party and initiating bareback play - its rude - its wrong - its UNREASONABLE AND IRRESPONSIBLE - your missing the whole (hole) point of the argument - you want non barebackers choices to be respected - but the same non barebacker doesnt want to respect the space that is a given for barebackers - its bullshit!

couldnt disagree more - AGAIN - you dont get to cry rape in a dark room full of pigs with your loose sloppy asshole open and your legs in the air - theres a million other SAFE places for you to play - I'm ALL for everyones right to bareback or not to bareback - but with those choices you still have RESPONSIBILTY - choosing to climb on a fuck bench in a dark GROUP room in a bath house with a bunch of partying men IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE CHOICE FOR A NONBAREBACKER - you dont get to walk out in the middle of a baseball game and demand that everyones plays softball - ITS UNREASONABLE - get the fuck off the field and go to a softball game - or sit quietly in the grandstands and be a spectator - but dont walk to the center of the field and prop your ass on the pitchers mound and not expect to get beaned by a line drive - its UNREASONABLE and UNRESPONSIBLE

"acceptance IS the answer to ALL of our problems" you are not a drug addict because your a sex pig - you may have turned to drugs because you havent ACCEPTED that you are a sex pig - you may very well have a sex addiction as well - but the ADDICTION component is SEPERATE from your sexual orientation and sexual preferences - you are NOT a sex addict because u r gay or bi or straight - or because you like pig sex - you are a sex addict because you have a genetic marker that makes you act on these things to the extent that it makes your life unmanagable... being a sex pig is NOT a problem - u need to embrace who u truly are and accept it - exercising pig sex practices when its not appropriate - when its addictive behavior that has negative results is the issue that needs to be address - same goes for drug addiction - you are NOT a drug addict because you use drugs - millions if not billions of people use drugs who are not addicted - you are a drug addict because you have a genetic marker that drives you to use when its not appropriate and when it makes your life unmanagable - again you must ACCEPT who you are and EMBRACE it - only then can you move on to recovery... only when you truly OWN who you are - exactly who u r - which is exactly who you are supposed to be - can you address the issues that prevent you from being ALL YOU CAN BE - and address the issues that keep you from being HAPPY - "ACCEPTANCE IS THE ANSWER TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS"

whatever with your sermon on the mount whiteslutbttm - you go to a barbershop you get a haircut - if you dont want to pig then you dont liedown with them - go to fucking choir rehersal - if a bitch dont want her pussy rubbed then she need not run around in a mini skirt without panties - if a fag doesnt want to be barebacked he needs to stay off a group fuck bench in a dark room in the pig room of a bath house! THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER VENUES FOR VANILLA BOYS - MILLIONS OF OTHER VENUES - but you do NOT get to cry rape or stealth with your legs up in the air in a BLACKED OUT ROOM on a GROUP FUCK BENCH in the PIG ROOM of a BATH HOUSE - stay the fuck home!

if a guy is passed out unconscious in a bath house with the door open to his room is it ok to fuck him? if a guy is passed out unconscious in a bath house with the door open to his room is it ok to fuck him raw? if a guy is passed out unconscious in a bath house with the door open to his room is it ok to fuck him raw if your poz? if a guy is passed out unconscious in a bath house with the door open to his room and cum is running out of his asshole is it ok to fuck him? if a guy is passed out unconscious in a bath house with the door open to his room and cum is running out of his asshole is it ok to fuck him raw? if a guy is passed out unconscious in a bath house with the door open to his room and cum is running out of his asshole is it ok to fuck him raw if your poz?

location - location - location if you hang in a barber shop eventually you get a hair cut... is this any different than the cock tease chick who shows off her tits and ass all night on a date and when it comes time to play she says no... the law says she has the right to say no - "no means no" - but doesnt she have it coming (cumming) to her ? this is even more extreme - this guy isnt out on a date - hes not even out with a trick or a instant hookup - hell - the guy isnt even in his room in a bath house - he is in a DARK BLACKED OUT ROOM where there are sex pigs everywhere with his ass in the air and his hole opened up by the 5 guys prior who have fucked him - I say he gets what he gets....

the HIV strain that one carries IS part of their DNA marker - their DNA doesnt become nonexistant or independent - it carries their individual strain of the virus with it - they are ONE - and for a gay man who has no intentions of bareing children with a female - it is the only way in which thier DNA can mark their partner PERMANTLY - remember that their is TWO components to chasing - the first of course is the bottom seeking infection - but how do you explain the KNOWING gifter who seeds him - and how do you explain what the bottom does once he seroconverts - WHY is someone willing to infect another with a deadly disease and WHY is someone willing to be infected ? I submise the answer is the need - desire - and INBORN drive to REPRODUCE - just as nature intended - poz sperm in an asshole isnt capable of producing children - but it is certain capable of reproducing - the recipiant (chaser) indeed does carry the individual strain/dna marker of the gifter for life... AND reguardless if you dont believe that each strain is individual it doesnt negate that the load itself marks another person permantly - in non poz hetro affairs with a child - in poz homo affairs with HIV - and actually if you think about it the later is moreso perm - once a woman bares a child she is no longer carrying her husbands DNA - the child born carries the DNA marker for life - but once a gay man seroconverts he will indeed carry that dna marker himself FOREVER

Originally Posted by GermanFucker "But one can't make an intellectual argument for bugchasing (i.e. specifically seeking out the virus) that holds generally true and that is valid outside the bugchaser community." couldnt disagree more... for the record I am all the things spoken about in this thread - I am intelligent (college educated) - I am worldly with vast life experiences/knowledge and certainly vast experience dealing with HIV/AIDS - I am well built and considered handsome (above average looks) - my self esteem is fine - I am not self loathing nor sucicidal - blah blah blah blah... to explain away bugchasing by any single explaination is laughable - we are indeed humans and EACH and EVERY one of are sexual drives are as individual as each and every person is - but to exclaim that NO reason for bugchasing is valid beyond the bugchasing community is SHORTSIGHTED at best... and shortsighted that its all about sexual fetish... so let me - a bonifide self titled "bugchaser" lend a view to just my personal philosphy - the MALE of every species has an inborn trait to breed and reproduce - correct me if I am wrong but at this point gay men are NOT the largest pool/minority of people who have seroconverted - I believe it is the black female - and yet in life we CELEBRATE unsafe sex practices in the hetro world - they announce pregnancy and we shower them with gifts - parties - celebrations - all because they succeed in planting seed - we reward them for unsafe sex practices - on top of personal presents they are showered with we give them health care - we give them paid leaves of absence from work - it is a time when their families often bequeath them with inheritances - its a HUGE celebration because they got knocked up! gay men are NOT born absent of the instinct to breed and reproduce - we long to share the celebration of family to - some much stronger than others... I'm not bi - I am not going to have any children in this lifetime - I no longer have any interest in hetrosexual sexual practices - but I do long to reproduce - and I am lucky enough to be gay/vers and want the reverse (or both sides of the experience) I want to breed and reproduce - I want to be bred and reproduce - other STDS are temporary - a little shot here and a little pill there and its all done and over - but HIV/AIDS is the great equalizer - I can carry that seed FOREVER - and IF I can ever manage to get knocked up I can bury my seed into another FOREVER - I would have LOVED to choosen who gets to be my pozDADDY - but as it turns out I am one of those one in a million that is HIGHLY HIGHLY resistant and I have thrown in the towel of selectivity to persue the ultimate goal of conversion and I wont deny ANY poz load - but if I am ever able to convert the ultimate goal doesnt change - I get to become the gifting DADDY - I get to spread my seed and leave my mark on this world PERMANATLY - I may not have children to credit my legacy but I will have my aidspups - my boyz who carry my seed FOR LIFE - FOREVER BOUND - no difference than father and son - MY BOYZ (just for the record with time I have been able to come to terms with not being able to select my FATHER - MY POZDADDY - at this venture in my life I find no greater joy than giving the opportunity to many to be my sire - each time I offer the temple of my body to a poz source I find GREAT joy in giving them the opportunity to sew their seed PERMANTLY - to provide an opportunity for them to reproduce and realize fatherhood) so of course - yes many of the other factors that others speak of ring true - of course their is a component of brotherhood - the biohazzard mark of a pig - the Scarlet Letter was indeed an "A" (Aids) - to be marked as a whore - a pig - for all the world to see - see that I am an AIDS PIG - DEFIANCE! I will not live in your world of conservative bullshit while your husband wears panties behind closed doors - I am DEFIANTLY a whore in this world who spits at your hetro judgemental world publically - and I will spread my seed and mark this world permantly just as you do with your snot nosed children - I will build a legacy of my own and I am NOT alone - there is an entire brotherhood - a vast one - to which I belong - which is a beautiful thing - BUT when it all comes down to it - it is the individual need to reproduce/mark that sparks our own destiny to create our own families and legacies -and personally I think the INBORN NEED to spread our seed as the male species rings true further than just the inner circle of bugchasers - WHY is it that soooooo many men take the risk of barebacking when they know the risk - the educated - the smart - the intelligent - the worldly - why is it that soooooooooo many men are willing to take the risk of pregnancy when they dont want children - when they cant afford it - when it will destroy their lives - with women they dont want to marry - ITS AN INBORN NEED TO SEED that ALL MEN have - and that explanation goes leaps and bounds beyond just the inner circle of bugchasers - you need to rethink this *wink

blah blah blah blah - cry me a river... if your friend was so concerned about HIV then why is sleeping around with guys he hasnt dated and doesnt know the character of ??? why is he engaging in premiscuious sex ? your friend is OBVIOUSLY a PIG - he lifts his legs for men he doesnt know because his pussy is hungry - and now you want us all to feel sorry for his plight because he got knocked up - sorry - no empathy here - none - you dont get to sing choir boy with a strangers dick up your ass... when you choose to have no strings sex with someone your not dating then you have to assume they are sex pigs as well - they are willing to fuck strangers - you dont know if they are headed to church the next morning or the back yard to bury the bones of their last victim - and now you want us all on this pig site to be sympathetic because hes a pig... he's a fucking pig - the really sad thing in the story is that he hasnt owned it - or celebrated it...