Your Personal Politics (Aside From Lgbt Issues)

[ohmalewhore]

I belong to no political party, as a subscribe to the philosophy of our Founding Fathers that political parties were counter-intuitive to our Constitutional Republic. But in keeping tabs on a "starting point" of looking for candidates I most closely align with, one party always comes out on top at a 95% agreement between their philosophies and mine - the Constitution Party.

[BootmanLA]

1 hour ago, ohmalewhore said:

I belong to no political party, as a subscribe to the philosophy of our Founding Fathers that political parties were counter-intuitive to our Constitutional Republic. But in keeping tabs on a "starting point" of looking for candidates I most closely align with, one party always comes out on top at a 95% agreement between their philosophies and mine - the Constitution Party.

Actually, most of our Founding Fathers quickly aligned with one of the two dominant political parties as soon as they were formed. It's a myth that all of the Founders objected to parties; Adams was an ardent Federalist, whereas Jefferson, Madison and Monroe were Democratic Republicans (the party which evolved into the Democratic Party). 

George Washington warned against "factions", but he was, as they say, sui generis - unique. And in reality, had Washington been less modest, he could have capitalized on his cult of personality and gotten himself repeatedly elected president-for-life, and then more or less choosing and anointing his successor.

[BootmanLA]

12 hours ago, BarebackBrat said:

Gun totin, republican. Pro death penalty, pro life and capitalist

In other words, like most Republicans, completely incoherent and inconsistent. And a member of a party that would gladly slit your throat for your personal life choices.

[Guest]

On 10/26/2015 at 9:02 AM, PhoenixGeoff said:

So here in the US, there's been a pretty stark contrast between the two major parties on gay issues over the last 20-30 years, which means that most gay guys have been pretty reliable Democrats.

 

However, we're reaching an interesting point in our history where our political agenda with respect to gay men, bisexuals and lesbians has largely been accomplished (ENDA being the only outstanding issue I can think of).  Moreover, social acceptance of LGBT people is increased enormously over my lifetime, and I only see that trend continuing to improve.

 

Even Republicans are coming around to a limited extent.  Several GOP Presidential candidates are behind ENDA (if still opposing marriage), and many conservatives have, if not gotten on board with marriage rights, have made their peace with the idea that same-sex marriage isn't going away.  And many more libertarians (who often end up supporting the GOP based on economic issues) have been with us since the beginning.

 

Which leads us to an interesting situation where a big reason to vote for Democrats has now effectively been taken off the table. 

 

Assuming LGBT issues have been your big motivator, do they still carry the same amount of importance for you?  Are you a "single issue" voter?  Maybe transgendered rights are important to you.  Or maybe you're grateful for the way Democrats have delivered for us.  Or you would like our foreign policy to press other countries to be more tolerant.

 

Or do you have a new big issue?  The economy?  Foreign affairs?  Environmental issues?  Other social issues like abortion or euthanasia?

 

And how would you define your political philosophy overall?  Socialist?  Libertarian (or classically liberal, for non-US folks)?  Conservative?  Some weird mixture of all of the above? 

Unlike the US we have a multi-party system in stead of a bi-party system in practice.

I'm personally - in my own country which is The Netherlands - sceptical of our largest party claiming freedom of personal choice for us as the gay or LGBTQI community.

During our last elections this largest party - the VVD (which is - roughly, but every comparison goes amis - comparable to the UK's Conservative party and the US's Republican's although more libertarian and not religiously oriented) - made a point of begin pro gay. 
At the same time when we were the first country to open marriage to couples of the same gender, they weren't the actual parties who endorsed this changes. Those were actually a more moderate liberal party and the left-wing parties. I'm not really surprised by this strange thing as it's party-leader who has been our prime-minister for 11 years and will become our next one again - is famous for his lacking 'active memories'... 

On personal choices I consider myself liberal or libertarian. On economic subjects I'm mostly in line with the social-democrat movement (which would be 'Labour' in the UK. As far as I understand this both these parties are considered rather far left in the US.  I am not a communist, but I do believe that to make society work there needs to be more - financial - equality and a more fair distribution of power and influence.

Personal freedom while being too poor to make you own choices is after all no freedom at all.

Although I hink my country was known as very liberal when it came to Gay rights, abortion and euthanasia there was and still is a rather large Christian-democratic movement within parliament. 

Two of those parties are now and will again take part in the coalition making up our government, and that's it's possible especially the choice for euthanasia will be further restricted in the coming years.

in the end, these subjects are important to me, but I really feel a more left-wing policy on economic issues is far more important as is the environment. 
Laws don't govern who I fall in love with or am attracted to; Abortion is a subject that should be discussed with women as it is their body; And when it comes to euthanasia it is something that is best discussed between the patient and his or her doctor.

[Guest]

21 hours ago, BarebackBrat said:

Gun totin, republican. Pro death penalty, pro life and capitalist

Being from mainland Europe it's sometimes hard for me to understand the difference in political cultures between our two continents and countries.

Could you try and help me, by explaining what your defining value is, when considering your political views? 

Pro life means being against abortion, I get that. It's hard for me to understand why at the same time a lot of US-citizens support the freedom to carry fire-arms, and are in favour of the death penalty. 

So that's where my question comes from. Apparently 'life' is not the value that connects these stands. (No offence intended, seriously open to understanding you).

[BarebackBrat]

Say what you will.  I’ll protect my family and property. I’ll protect my family and property from tyranny.  If you don’t understand that, well that’s not my issue.  
arguing with people that already have assumptions Is futile 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, BarebackBrat said:

Say what you will.  I’ll protect my family and property. I’ll protect my family and property from tyranny.  If you don’t understand that, well that’s not my issue.  
arguing with people that already have assumptions Is futile 

Discussions and debate with people who have other options than your own, is at the heart of democracy.

Thanks for you reply.  So 'Protection' is the the core value in your beliefs?

 

I'm honestly not trying to argue, I wonder if you mean that your and your family's welfare is another thing that's more important to you than other things.
I would get how liberal gun-laws and capitalism fit into that.

Is the death penalty important to you because of your sense of right and wrong, and punishment? Or do you feel it helps to stop people harming you and your family, because they fear to be killed themselves?

And how do you feel about abortion, in relation to protecting yourself and your family, and not wanting to be tyrannised? 

[badubydo]

On 12/10/2021 at 7:59 PM, BootmanLA said:

In other words, like most Republicans, completely incoherent and inconsistent. And a member of a party that would gladly slit your throat for your personal life choices.

I’m bi and out. Have many “Republican” family members and friends. Have a brother-In law who is trans. 
 

Unlike you, we don’t judge people based on who they love. We judge them on the basis of their character. 
 

We believe in, keep your b/s out of my life, and I’ll keep mine out of yours.

You have such hatred to the right that your blind, and ignorant in they you seen them. 
 

I am a conservative. 
 

Less government, less taxes. Keep government our of my home, out of my family. Term limits. Get rid of the ATF. 
 

I believe in a live and let live policy, there is a time and place for different things I told one guy I hooked up with that I’ll never go to a gay pride event. Gay and lesbians parading around half-naked and acting in a way that should only be behind closed doors is not the way to get society to “accept” you. Especially when there are kids around. 

 

and don’t even get me started on the pieces of shit that are “parents” who take their kids to those events 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, badubydo said:

I’m bi and out. Have many “Republican” family members and friends. Have a brother-In law who is trans. 
 

Unlike you, we don’t judge people based on who they love. We judge them on the basis of their character. 
 

We believe in, keep your b/s out of my life, and I’ll keep mine out of yours.

You have such hatred to the right that your blind, and ignorant in they you seen them. 
 

I am a conservative. 
 

Less government, less taxes. Keep government our of my home, out of my family. Term limits. Get rid of the ATF. 
 

I believe in a live and let live policy, there is a time and place for different things I told one guy I hooked up with that I’ll never go to a gay pride event. Gay and lesbians parading around half-naked and acting in a way that should only be behind closed doors is not the way to get society to “accept” you. Especially when there are kids around. 

 

and don’t even get me started on the pieces of shit that are “parents” who take their kids to those events 

 

I'm not good at reading minds and this goes double for @BootmanLA's thoughts; but perhaps he was referring to listing in one breath: 

On 12/11/2021 at 4:59 AM, BootmanLA said:

Pro death penalty, pro life

 

At least that - to me - seems inconsistent, how one could use the label 'pro life' and 'pro death penalty'. I mean no disrespect to anyone's political beliefs and I realise our political culture's may differ immensely; Certainly our constitutions are different.
My country is a Constitutional Monarchy and a member of the European Union; And this EU is a unique experiment in our history. Both (our political culture and constitution, and the EU) are strongly influenced by the idea to never again allow the rise of the foulest of tyrannies like in the 1930's to 1945.

So with my thanks for liberating us back then (together with Canada 🇨🇦 and helped by the USSR on the Eastern front) and respect to your viewpoints, I'm still not getting how one could be consistently against abortions and in favour of the death penalty by saying your pro-life.
Perhaps it would help to explain to me, in what cases you support the death penalty and when exactly someone convicted loses his (or her) right to life?

Edited December 12, 2021 by Guest

[akula]

12 hours ago, badubydo said:

I’m bi and out. Have many “Republican” family members and friends. Have a brother-In law who is trans. 
 

Unlike you, we don’t judge people based on who they love. We judge them on the basis of their character. 
 

We believe in, keep your b/s out of my life, and I’ll keep mine out of yours.

You have such hatred to the right that your blind, and ignorant in they you seen them. 
 

I am a conservative. 
 

Less government, less taxes. Keep government our of my home, out of my family. Term limits. Get rid of the ATF. 
 

I believe in a live and let live policy, there is a time and place for different things I told one guy I hooked up with that I’ll never go to a gay pride event. Gay and lesbians parading around half-naked and acting in a way that should only be behind closed doors is not the way to get society to “accept” you. Especially when there are kids around. 

 

and don’t even get me started on the pieces of shit that are “parents” who take their kids to those events 

That's interesting in one breath you believe in live and let live but then shit on people for attending pride or bringing their kids to pride. Just to point out the reason we are as far along as we are IS because if those people parading around half naked demanding our rights.  If you don't like going to pride then don't go. Stay home clutch your pearls and cluck your tongue in disgust, NO ONE CARES. If you think being passive and hoping the str8 haters will be nice to us, well dream on because it never happens. We got rights and respect by demanding it, period.

[hntnhole]

2 hours ago, akula said:

I’m bi and out. Have many “Republican” family members and friends. Have a brother-In law who is trans. 
 

Unlike you, we don’t judge people based on who they love. We judge them on the basis of their character. 
 

We believe in, keep your b/s out of my life, and I’ll keep mine out of yours.

You have such hatred to the right that your blind, and ignorant in they you seen them. 
 

I am a conservative. 
 

Less government, less taxes. Keep government our of my home, out of my family. Term limits. Get rid of the ATF. 
 

I believe in a live and let live policy, there is a time and place for different things I told one guy I hooked up with that I’ll never go to a gay pride event. Gay and lesbians parading around half-naked and acting in a way that should only be behind closed doors is not the way to get society to “accept” you. Especially when there are kids around. 

 

and don’t even get me started on the pieces of shit that are “parents” who take their kids to those events 

"Conservatively" educated as well, apparently.

This post reminds me of what a plate of Alfredo - drowning in sour grapefruit juice - must be like.  A lot starch, in long, stringy and disjointed perceptions, joined only by a bitter mish-mash of unrelated fragmentary thought-trainlets.  

But, there's room in the world for everyone, right?

 

[BootmanLA]

On 12/12/2021 at 1:41 AM, badubydo said:

I believe in a live and let live policy, there is a time and place for different things I told one guy I hooked up with that I’ll never go to a gay pride event. Gay and lesbians parading around half-naked and acting in a way that should only be behind closed doors is not the way to get society to “accept” you. Especially when there are kids around. 

 

and don’t even get me started on the pieces of shit that are “parents” who take their kids to those events 

So you believe in "live and let live" as long as those living do so in a way you approve. Otherwise, you consider them "pieces of shit".

As for half-naked: I assume you mean bare-chested. Do you wear a top when you go to the beach or to the swimming pool?

As I said before: incoherence and inconsistent are hallmarks of conservative "thinking" these days. 

[hntnhole]

8 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

As I said before: incoherence and inconsistent are hallmarks of conservative "thinking" these days. 

That's for damn sure - and it seems to be growing. 

[Coldfusion]

On 12/14/2021 at 3:32 AM, BootmanLA said:

So you believe in "live and let live" as long as those living do so in a way you approve. Otherwise, you consider them "pieces of shit".

Freedom also includes the right to not like the way other people conduct themselves. Or it originally did anyway, the world has been taken over by lunatics now.

On 12/14/2021 at 3:32 AM, BootmanLA said:

As I said before: incoherence and inconsistent are hallmarks of conservative "thinking" these days. 

Did you mean "inconsistency"? If you're going to give a false lecture it just makes it even worse when you can't correctly pick the "big fancy wuurds" you're trying to use.

There's nothing "inkonsistanze" (as you might say) about my political beliefs.

I believe ISISlam is a huge and horrendous poison on mankind and so are the "liberals" who suck up to ISISlam - and who have made sucking up to ISISlam a mandatory activity in our "society" over the last 20 years. The gay ones are especially contemptible. They are batshit insane self-loathing freaks who jerk off to fantasies about bearded hook-handed lunatics throwing them off buildings while yelling "allah akbar".

And they're actually sick and twisted enough to be pleased that a senile child-fondling retard called Joe Biden has replaced the breath of fresh air known as Donald Trump.

Such self-loathing weirdos control speech on like 98% of the internet now, so clearly our previous freedom is doomed.

 

If you agree with this assessment, please indicate by saying it's "insane" without being able to explain why, or just offering up any other lame predictable (non-)response. Thanks.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Coldfusion

[hntnhole]

hmmmmm .... where did I put that little button .... the one that relieves me of reading merde like this ....  no more confusion ...