Accepting incest like a positive thing

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3 hours ago, ErosWired said:

What is that doing to us? Is it somehow reinforcing our basic submissiveness into an outright faggotry we can no longer resist? Fascinating questions, I think …

You just want to take part in a study, don't you..?  *grin*

[ErosWired]

2 hours ago, DutchDude said:

You just want to take part in a study, don't you..?  *grin*

Someone has to make these sacrifices in order for science to advance. As one devoted to both the advancement of knowledge and the Scientific Method, I will proudly submit to the most rigorous and invasive investigation needed. 😃

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6 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Someone has to make these sacrifices in order for science to advance. As one devoted to both the advancement of knowledge and the Scientific Method, I will proudly submit to the most rigorous and invasive investigation needed. 😃

If you were my son I would be SO proud... *with tearful eye*

[tallslenderguy]

19 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Rather than demons, the problem was thought to have arisen when rebel angels (later recast as demons for religious convenience) began having sex with mortal women, resulting in abominable giants called Nephilim - and everything went downhill from there until (supposedly) the Deity cleansed the whole planet in an over enthusiastic fit of laundry.

Have you had the delight of visiting the “Ark Experience” in Williamstown? It’s trippy. It’s also a load of twice-baked bullshit from stem to stern.

There is a body of research out there on the chemical changes that occur in the bodies of two people having sex. Release of Oxytocin, Vasopressin, endorphins and other biochemicals have been found to establish and strengthen emotional bonds between sexual partners.* It seems likely that this has evolved as a species survival trait to ensure parental/family stability in the rearing of offspring.

It’s interesting to me, however, to wonder about the effect of this biological system on homosexual men fucking each other, and especially those fucking random and even anonymous parters serially and in large numbers. What happens, for instance, to a cumdump who is subject to 15 strong chemical bonding experiences in his body from 15 different men in the course of a single night, and then not only experiences those bonds being unreciprocated (as they would be) but in some cases negatively broken with physical violence? A cycle of bond-rip-bond-rip-bond-rip-bond-rip-etc... What is that doing to us? Is it somehow reinforcing our basic submissiveness into an outright faggotry we can no longer resist? Fascinating questions, I think …

 

*Lee Ann Obringer "How Love Works" 12 February 2005.
HowStuffWorks.com. <https://people.howstuffworks.com/love.htm> 22 September 2019

Re fallen angels procreating with humans.  Yet another one of the bibles many contradictions.  Words ascribed to Jesus  imply that angels are sexless when he stated there will be no marriage in heaven.  Kook stuff either way it's sliced.  And yeah, 'the Ark Experience."  So much of Christianity is showmanship. 

Thanks for the article link discussing chemical bonding, very interesting stuff.  Though it's anectdotal, in my own experience i have gone from being selective to pretty much indiscriminate when it comes to mating with men. i have a general and universal affection for men that i didn't have initially. i've attributed that to age, but i wonder if it would be more accurately attributed to the quantity of guys i've fucked with?  That the loyalty and commitment centers in my brain have become generalized?   Maybe there is something to that, but i also note a continued desire for a more exclusive bond with a man vs many men. When i think about that, i consider relationship with one man to have a potential for depth that a hook up cannot have, and i desire that depth.  In the context of incest, i still have dreams about my cousin who i had a crush on from about age 9 and i both lust after Him to this day as well as think romantically about Him even though there has been no contact with Him in decades. 

[Pozlover1]

19 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Rather than demons, the problem was thought to have arisen when rebel angels (later recast as demons for religious convenience) began having sex with mortal women, resulting in abominable giants called Nephilim - and everything went downhill from there until (supposedly) the Deity cleansed the whole planet in an over enthusiastic fit of laundry.

Have you had the delight of visiting the “Ark Experience” in Williamstown? It’s trippy. It’s also a load of twice-baked bullshit from stem to stern.

There is a body of research out there on the chemical changes that occur in the bodies of two people having sex. Release of Oxytocin, Vasopressin, endorphins and other biochemicals have been found to establish and strengthen emotional bonds between sexual partners.* It seems likely that this has evolved as a species survival trait to ensure parental/family stability in the rearing of offspring.

It’s interesting to me, however, to wonder about the effect of this biological system on homosexual men fucking each other, and especially those fucking random and even anonymous parters serially and in large numbers. What happens, for instance, to a cumdump who is subject to 15 strong chemical bonding experiences in his body from 15 different men in the course of a single night, and then not only experiences those bonds being unreciprocated (as they would be) but in some cases negatively broken with physical violence? A cycle of bond-rip-bond-rip-bond-rip-bond-rip-etc... What is that doing to us? Is it somehow reinforcing our basic submissiveness into an outright faggotry we can no longer resist? Fascinating questions, I think …

 

*Lee Ann Obringer "How Love Works" 12 February 2005.
HowStuffWorks.com. <https://people.howstuffworks.com/love.htm> 22 September 2019

Yes the” Rebel Angels” are also called Demons.  The story goes that 1/3 of the Angels followed  Lucifer here when he was cast out. Succubus and Incubus rituals are taken seriously by Satanists, and their cum is said to be ice cold. The Ark and the nearby Creation Museum attempt to explain how these stories are plausible, although the Ark that was visible on Mt. Ararat during WWII did not have the pointed ends, it was more barge shaped, which in wave pool experiments cannot be sunk. 

The whole subject of psychochemical bonding is fascinating. A “magic number” of about 20,000 for a crowd is fairly well known to produce its own energy that is more than the sum of its parts. This was used by Hitler, rock bands, and Donald Trump. 

The 60’s science of Psychosynthesis, roughly, you are what you eat, claimed that all foods have an effect on our thoughts, and the lines between “comfort food”, “energy food” and unrefined, plant based narcotics are rather blurry. I would say the natural psychotropics are definitely drugs, and there’s a reason Fly Agaric is found on Royal lawns and purple has always been the Color of Royalty. The absorption of DNA from many guys over time is certain to have at least some effect. I would call it a positive effect (no pun intended). 

The concept of “bond/rip/bond/rip” in a Bathhouse scene certainly warrants further study but we could skip that step and assume it explains the addictive behavior, forever pursuing those chemicals. 

[Guest BritBottom]

I have never had an incestuous sexual encounter. I did have a brother 9 yrs older than me who I adored as a kid and, despite the age difference we were very close. We shared a large bedroom, my bed was nearest the door, his on the other side of the room.  I think he would have been about 19 when one night he came home late after a night out happily drunk. He came into the room and collapsed on top me gave me big sloppy alcoholic kiss and said “hello, little brother, I’m pissed (meaning drunk, not angry)” and went to sleep cuddling me.  At that time my pubertal hormones at their highest and I knew guys and not girls were for me. My brother was straight, I knew that, but had he given me one iota of encouragement I would done anything he wanted (then and any time afterwards),  I enjoyed the closeness  I wanted it to last but after a while managed get him semi-conscious to strip him down to his underwear and into bed. Next day after I got home from school he asked if I’d put him to bed, I said yes and got a thank you and a hug. Nothing else was said about it.

Of course I was strongly more than temped to try and take advantage of the situation but the risk of it all going wrong was too great and he was far too important to me to risk the trust and closeness we had which lasted until the day he died.  Maybe he felt the same way. For me, if there had been sex, I think it could have strengthened and deepened the bond. At that age the thought of incest never entered my thoughts – at that time though in the UK the worst taboo was being known to be homosexual.

I quite like the concept that the reason I am gay is due to a demonic ancestry (note to self – must get my hooves trimmed soon). I used to tell the various religious door steppers I didn’t have time to talk about God because it would make me late for the coven meeting (always worked).  Perhaps I’ll include that next time.  As a youth I always thought of myself like a X-Men mutant outsider – could have called myself  ”Bum Fuck Boy” and had the “X” strategically placed.

I had never heard of "Psychochemical bonding" and found the discussion fascinating.  Reminded me that a friend once told me he could never be indiscriminate about sexual partners because if he fucked them he became very emotionally attached during sex and got hurt a lot when it wasn’t reciprocated.

Where ErosWired states:

…. It’s interesting to me, however, to wonder about the effect of this biological system on homosexual men fucking each other, and especially those fucking random and even anonymous parters serially and in large numbers. What happens, for instance, to a cumdump who is subject to 15 strong chemical bonding experiences in his body from 15 different men in the course of a single night, and then not only experiences those bonds being unreciprocated (as they would be) but in some cases negatively broken with physical violence? A cycle of bond-rip-bond-rip-bond-rip-bond-rip-etc... What is that doing to us? Is it somehow reinforcing our basic submissiveness into an outright faggotry we can no longer resist? ….

I have often wondered about  how much my own attitudes and appetites have changed  or evolved and, I very much identify all that tallslenderguy had to say:

….“Though it's anectdotal, in my own experience i have gone from being selective to pretty much indiscriminate when it comes to mating with men. i have a general and universal affection for men that i didn't have initially. i've attributed that to age, but i wonder if it would be more accurately attributed to the quantity of guys i've fucked with?  That the loyalty and commitment centers in my brain have become generalized?   Maybe there is something to that, but i also note a continued desire for a more exclusive bond with a man vs many men. When i think about that, i consider relationship with one man to have a potential for depth that a hook up cannot have, and i desire that depth.”….

The last sentence rings especially true, but even if I had that relationship,  I expect I would still have ‘faggotry’ element deeply ingrained and ever present.

[ErosWired]

4 hours ago, Pozlover1 said:

The concept of “bond/rip/bond/rip” in a Bathhouse scene certainly warrants further study but we could skip that step 

No. We cannot skip that step. I feel comfortable saying that I speak for the cumdump population at large...

[Morningglorie]

I am the younger of a set of fraternal twins. Our experimenting began during our bath time. We were curious and explored. My further curiosity lead to initiating contact while my twin slept. When he woke, he pushed my hand away ~ I pushed his hand away and took him in my mouth. I enjoyed sucking him for years. When older brothers moved out, I moved to another room down the hall. It wasn't long after that that I was wakened by his cock rubbing my lips. After a few nighttime visits like that... he got up on the bed (I was on my stomach) pulling @ my underwear.... and attempted to stick 'it' in me. The second/third try he entered me.... he wasn't able to cum BUT had an orgasm. Many times later... probably 3/4yrs. ~ I felt his cum inside me. NOTHING about these experiences was forced... I LOVED the feel of his fluids dripping out of me...  I'll never forget the first time I heard him coming down the hall {late at night mind you}. I was already sideways on the bed, undies off, butt up, waiting to be mounted.  😏 wonderful memories. 

[Pozlover1]

On 9/23/2019 at 2:21 PM, ErosWired said:

No. We cannot skip that step. I feel comfortable saying that I speak for the cumdump population at large...

I mean skip the studies and assume it creates different chemicals  in the brain than  a loving relationship. Any chemical our brain produces can be addictive with the appropriate conditioning. Beyond the addictive behavior, cum itself is probably a drug. 

[Kayne]

I don't know how different or unique my experience is. I was far too young to understand. My Father was a selfish, dangerous drunken fucker that got a taste for the fear anguish and pain he could freely inflict on a smaller weaker person during his time overseas as a Marine.

Being used by people assosiated with nambla fucked me up for years.

Even after he was dead, I wasn't free.  But I got older and the reds that were planted took root.

For better or worse I like what I like.I make choices. I don't see being a Father in my future. But I do wish I had blood brothers. But then again, the concept of family is relative isn't it.

 

For the record rewriting my history helped me cope. And incest is one of my biggest kinks more than 30 years later.  

[TotalPig]

Odd question.  First, anyone over 18 should not be having any sexual relations with anyone under 18.  So molestation aside, in real life how many dads or brothers are actually having sex with one another in the US?  My guess is under 6 guys in the whole country. That’s why I think it’s an odd question. 

[ErosWired]

21 hours ago, TotalPig said:

Odd question.  First, anyone over 18 should not be having any sexual relations with anyone under 18.  So molestation aside, in real life how many dads or brothers are actually having sex with one another in the US?  My guess is under 6 guys in the whole country. That’s why I think it’s an odd question. 

Taking the statistics from the Rape Abuse & Incest National Network for 1999-2000, in that period, the incidence of completed rape on males 18 and over by a family member was approximately 121 - and the figure is almost certainly quite low because incest frequently goes unreported. (For children, the figure is north of 1,300.) That's nonconsensual cases. But why would consensual cases get reported at all? With an appetite of that magnitude out there on the part of those who would initiate incest on males, it would seem plausible that the number of consensual partners would exceed 6.

[TotalPig]

6 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Taking the statistics from the Rape Abuse & Incest National Network for 1999-2000, in that period, the incidence of completed rape on males 18 and over by a family member was approximately 121 - and the figure is almost certainly quite low because incest frequently goes unreported. (For children, the figure is north of 1,300.) That's nonconsensual cases. But why would consensual cases get reported at all? With an appetite of that magnitude out there on the part of those who would initiate incest on males, it would seem plausible that the number of consensual partners would exceed 6.

I’d include rape and molestation together for obvious reasons.  I believe these guys who post stories about having consensual, over-age-18 sex with their fathers, brothers, uncles, grandfathers have read too much porn and are making it all up.  And it’s extra funny because the stories often involve MULTIPLE relatives. It’s all fantasy, so just accept it for what it is people.

[YourBasicPerv]

From a very early age I remember wanting to have a brother (or sister, I hadn't quite figured myself out yet) to get naked with, inspect each other's 'parts', and play sex games with.  There was only one problem with that - I was, and still am, and only child, and I had no interest in seeing adults naked.  So... no incest for me.  

Probably as a result, throughout my life the idea of brothers and cousins (of which I also had none, nearby at least) having sex has always got me hard, and erotic stories with those themes are the ones  I tend to like best.  For me, the real-life guys who have brothers, and who have 'done the dirty' with them, are the truly lucky ones.

Something I've noticed though, when talking to guys face-to-face:  Most guys who are into brotherly incest are like me and don't have a brother.  Most guys who have brothers are repulsed by the idea of sex with them.  There are exceptions of course, and I'm sure there are guys who get boned by it but are too embarrassed to admit it face-to-face.  More often though, I think it's a case of we want what we can't have.  Go figure.

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On 9/30/2019 at 4:49 AM, TotalPig said:

Odd question.  First, anyone over 18 should not be having any sexual relations with anyone under 18.  So molestation aside, in real life how many dads or brothers are actually having sex with one another in the US?  My guess is under 6 guys in the whole country. That’s why I think it’s an odd question. 

That's a rather legalist view... So what about a hypothetical 18-year-old with a 17-year-old?

'Wait till he turns 18'?

I get the law is there to protect children and I'm in favour it does. Don't get me wrong. And I'm aware pedophiles could misuse my argument as the start of a slippery slope to make their own selfish needs legal. 

But still: when applying the rules shouldn't a judge / jury consider if there's abuse by use of power, force or coercion? Two people close in age and who are either totally in love or who seriously have the hots for each other doesn't necessarily means there's a victim there. There can be, but that's also the case between adults when there's a huge difference in power, position and the misuse of that difference.