Ramming cock in - what do top/btms get out of it

[alwaysready]

14 hours ago, FaceLoad said:

I want to hurt the boy deeply our first time. I drive hard inward to stretch his guts around my full length. A few sharp thrusts from there will reliably draw blood. I withdraw my weapon to wipe the boy's cunt gore on his agonized face and make him taste his defeat. When he accepts my power over him and my right to abuse him for my satisfaction, I can proceed with normal breeding. I might never need to hurt his cunt again, but it's essential that he be forced to yield to my will and learn the price of disobedience.

I like to draw blood, then blow my load in him, suck suck of his blood and my cum and feed it back to him, share our intimacy in that way.

[Riverfk]

42 minutes ago, DannyBoyCMH said:

Show me 😍

I will boy. Then you'll have to explain to your husband why your ass is so sore. My guess is that he'll offer his own "input" on the topic and your fuck-hole will be seriously dripping afterwards.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Riverfk said:

I will boy. Then you'll have to explain to your husband why your ass is so sore. My guess is that he'll offer his own "input" on the topic and your fuck-hole will be seriously dripping afterwards.

He knows you want to fuck me and he said he will let you.  You, then him, you bet my hole will be sore and my ass will be full of cum.

[evilalex]

What do I get out of ramming it in? I want to hurt the person.

[alwaysready]

3 hours ago, DannyBoyCMH said:

He knows you want to fuck me and he said he will let you.  You, then him, you bet my hole will be sore and my ass will be full of cum.

sounds like the makings of a great porn vid.  husband cuckolded and then revenged.

[Phallarchist]

On 6/18/2019 at 10:06 AM, ErosWired said:

Do you do this to every bottom you meet? What if the bottom is already a trained, fully compliant sub who already accepts your power over him and the demonstration isn’t necessary? What if he has no issue in yielding to your will? Just curious about this.

Also, it’s unclear from your post where you’re expecting the bottom to bleed from, but it sounds like you’re going for an injury in the wall of the rectum/sigmoid colon. If so, that is a dangerous practice. Although rare, is not unheard of for a cock to cause a perforation of the bowel, resulting in a need for surgical intervention. You may have the right to fuck dominantly, but you can’t claim the right to hurt anybody that badly, regardless of consent.

Of course, you may have meant that the blood would come from penetrating the anus - but even that could result in an anal fissure, which could sideline the bottom for weeks or months, cause excruciating pain (been there) and may ultimately lead to surgery also (been there, too). Why would you want to injure a bottom in such a way that he would then be unavailable for your use and enjoyment? I ask this not just of you personally, but to all Tops who aim to injure, because it’s never made any sense to me.

I think your questions and consternation are sincere, so I'll attempt to respond, probably with no great success. Fundamentally, I think I just enjoy a bit of  sexual sadism when i can arrange it, while you don't at all. There will probably be no meeting of minds. Nevertheless,

1. I do not brutalize every boy indiscriminately. The faggot must accept his fate and agree to the necessity of the ordeal that I will inflict on him. This level of submission in a boy is rare and beautiful.

2. There is no such thing as a generically submissive boy. Each man has his own requirements for total erotic fulfillment and each boy must be put to particular use/abuse to meet those requirements. Some men are easy to please. I admit to being cruel and difficult at first, but a boy who suffers for me endears himself to me. His self-sacrifice at the altar of my manhood could well inspire love. And as I indicated, this blood rite would generally just be a one-time demonstration of my phallic power. I would reserve the right to hurt him occasionally in the future to satisfy my perversity and renew our bond as man and bitch, but I would have no further need to break his cunt. Though, in truth, he will bleed whenever I fuck him, just not always visibly. The rectal cunt always bleeds because it is not meant to be used by men. Anal penetration is thus always inherently abusive. I just want to make the abuse explicit and purposeful in a ritual of initiation that fills me with a sense of absolute power.

3. What I perpetrate is no worse than any rough fuck. It's certainly less risky than fisting, which is shockingly common. I would indeed and be aiming for the sigmoid junction (it feels great), but the locus of the injury depends on the size of the boy and the anatomy of his cunt.

4. I radically disagree with the notion that I have no right to hurt anybody. Sadists and masochists have been hurting and getting hurt since time immemorial. Consent has no meaning if you can't agree to take pain and risk damage.

5. There's always the possibility of a more serious injury. That potential is always there, because a rectum has no substantial natural defenses against the depredations of penile invasion. I could tear him from his first hole to his second hole in the course of normal breeding. Or he could move the wrong way and fracture my penis. Or we could transmit HPV to each other and eventually contract anal and penile cancer. Every sexual act has known risks. It is possible that I could cause the boy great pain. He has to decide for himself whether or not it's worth the risk to accommodate my plainly twisted desires.

6. It's absolutely my intent to prevent the boy from receiving other men. I fucked him to own him, nothing less. I would give him about a week to heal completely before initiating regular breeding. In the meantime, his throat will serve me well.

7. The short answer (sorry to leave it for last) is that hurting a (consenting) bitch with my dick gives me the sort of thrill that I associate with brutal rape. I am not actually a rapist. I'm probably actually too considerate for my own good in most situations. But I believe that men should give expression to the primordial impulses for conquest and violent penetration that lurk in our genes whenever possible. Fags love a beast fuck. So do many women for that matter. We should pay this much tribute to the ancestors who raped their way into genetic immortality. Their example can inspire us even as we confine ourselves to the limits imposed by modern civilization. I love the power in my dick without reservation.

8. Finally, pricking the boy and enjoying his suffering strongly recalls the classic ruination of the virgin. In many cases، and especially on the wedding night، consummation would have consisted of heedless forcible penetration, leading to unlimited pleasure for him and pain and bleeding for her. You're a good person, so you no doubt abhor the thought. I, on the other hand, love the practices of patriarchy implicitly and regard traumatic penetration as one way to establish and enforce the correct, male-dominated, penis-centred marital and social order.

I hope I've clarified my intent somewhat. No doubt I remain a monster, but I am ill-disposed to prevaricate in this regard. Though I probably should have used my time to seek out and defile an innocent instead.

[ErosWired]

@FaceLoad - Thank you very much for taking the time to give such a complete and honest answer to my question, which was indeed sincere. I find myself fascinated by the many different forms that the Top mind takes, and I have no instinctive understanding of any of them, so I ask.

My former Master was a Sadist, so your philosophy is not unfamiliar to me in principle. The difference in my case is that he very seldom fucked me (alas) but concentrated his will on shaping my mind and physical response using other means. He nonetheless assumed full, practical, physical ownership of me, to the extent that he possessed a paper deed to my body. (I still issue this deed on a limited basis to *very* select Men under special circumstances.)

I do not presume to judge either your motives or your practices. You are, of course, correct regarding the nature of injury to the anus and rectum as a result of sexual intercourse it was not designed for - my only observation being that for most of us the imperative is to mitigate rather than to exacerbate that injury. Still, you honestly explain your reasons, and I respect them as considered decisions even if I cannot advocate them.

The pleasure you take in the suffering of the submissive - your schadenfreude - may seem distasteful to some, but is the necessary accompaniment to the need for certain submissive personalities to submit and even suffer. We don’t experience catharsis without at least a semblance of cruelty. The degree to which cruelty crosses a line is less a matter of debate and more a matter of individual negotiation, unless the Top is a true psychopath.

On the one hand, I think it would be a fascinating experience to be bred by you. On the other, I very much hope that’s an encounter I never have.

[Phallarchist]

On 6/22/2019 at 9:25 AM, ErosWired said:

@FaceLoad - Thank you very much for taking the time to give such a complete and honest answer to my question, which was indeed sincere. I find myself fascinated by the many different forms that the Top mind takes, and I have no instinctive understanding of any of them, so I ask.

My former Master was a Sadist, so your philosophy is not unfamiliar to me in principle. The difference in my case is that he very seldom fucked me (alas) but concentrated his will on shaping my mind and physical response using other means. He nonetheless assumed full, practical, physical ownership of me, to the extent that he possessed a paper deed to my body. (I still issue this deed on a limited basis to *very* select Men under special circumstances.)

I do not presume to judge either your motives or your practices. You are, of course, correct regarding the nature of injury to the anus and rectum as a result of sexual intercourse it was not designed for - my only observation being that for most of us the imperative is to mitigate rather than to exacerbate that injury. Still, you honestly explain your reasons, and I respect them as considered decisions even if I cannot advocate them.

The pleasure you take in the suffering of the submissive - your schadenfreude - may seem distasteful to some, but is the necessary accompaniment to the need for certain submissive personalities to submit and even suffer. We don’t experience catharsis without at least a semblance of cruelty. The degree to which cruelty crosses a line is less a matter of debate and more a matter of individual negotiation, unless the Top is a true psychopath.

On the one hand, I think it would be a fascinating experience to be bred by you. On the other, I very much hope that’s an encounter I never have.

Would experiencing Schadenfreude encompass situations in which I have inflicted the damage? I thought it had to be a matter of happenstance.

In principle, I see little difference from paddling a boy's behind until he can't sit down or slapping a bitch while you're fucking him/her. There's no direct justification for the pain and violence, but I enjoy it (and the victim might also).

I think this response is partly conditioned. When I was younger, I encountered a string of boys who begged me to fuck them hard, then screamed bloody murder at the first twinge of pain. As a convinced non-rapist, I withdrew immediately at their insistence. I was not being rough at that point. Perhaps my penis has a naturally cruel geometry, but I rather think these boys just failed to understand the inherent difficulties of rectal intercourse. For most receivers, it is usually going to hurt a bit for some time. It's just a built-in fact of the misused anatomy involved. I knew it to be the case because I had given my cunt to a number of superior men and understood that the pain of entry was the price I paid for the privilege of serving them, having them bodily inside me, and basking in the glory of their animal breeding power.

These recalcitrant boys weren't deliberate cockteases, but as a worshipper of men myself, I found their devotion to male dominance and pleasure lacking. Their self-regard offended my instinctive sense of the penis as the axis of the universe. They had carelessly disregarded the natural law that I embodied. They did not apologize and were not repentant. I could not forgive them and yet I could also not punish them or push them onto the path of righteousness.

These frustrations injected a bitter note into my sexual mindset. Anger became part of my male arousal patterns, and I began to be attracted to phallic rage in other men as well. I came to understand violence as a central component of maleness. It powers the hardest erections, drives the most vigorous thrusting, and propels infinitely pleasurable releases of seed that are miraculous to experience and awesome to behold. Penetration is the largest natural component of a meaningful life for a man, and it is inescapably violent. I agree with the radical feminists who say that a penis is a weapon. Only, I'm glad of the fact, while their enthusiasm for male hegemony is somewhat less in evidence.

A better man would have carefully set these thoughts aside, but as a habitual follower of my nose (and other protuberances), I began to seek out boys who claimed to be more reverent. I.e., they would shut up and take it. Mostly this quest failed, as I resembled them too much physically, whatever the dark corners of my soul. They wanted men who looked as rough as they fucked. I couldn't compete well in that arena.

Nevertheless, I did encounter a few who genuinely wanted to be taken hard. They openly encouraged my sexual hostility and one even asked to be immobilized so that he could not escape. That one bled profusely. It was both unbelievably exciting and frightening. AIDS was killing fags around me every day. The tyranny of the condom was firmly in place, so I was nominally protected, but it was still a shock to see my cock covered in his gore. I realize now that he was using my dick as a tool for his self-destruction, but the deed was done and bloodlust was instantly added to the many layers of my unreconstructed perversion.

Other willing victims bled much less or not visibly, typically a pretty drop or two in the toilet, floating in the lubricant. Those injuries were consistent with my own experience as cunt: rectal fucking occasionally leads to obvious rectal bleeding, and there's generally no problem as long as it's a small quantity, stops within a day or two, and no other symptoms arise. It's as healthy as anyone can reasonably expect an egregious assault on the colon to be. If you can't accept the terms of this compromise, then you shouldn't be offering men your digestive tract as a substitute for a vagina.

I don't think I generally fuck differently from other men. I'm just more likely to appreciate the beauty of those difficult moments when the boy's body tenses and he throws back his head in shock at his predicament. I will stop thrusting at that point to let his cunt adjust to me (unless he has explicitly invited me to sadism). But I will not pull out of him of my own accord. I believe that he has a moral obligation to satisfy me and I will not deny him the opportunity to fulfill the duty that he has willingly undertaken. He should think of coitus interruptus as the last resort. My fuck should be a sacred rite to him and interfering with my pleasure should be a sacrilege. Or he's the wrong boy.

[Guest takingdeepanal]

Pain and humiliation.

[ErosWired]

3 hours ago, FaceLoad said:

Would experiencing Schadenfreude encompass situations in which I have inflicted the damage? I thought it had to be a matter of happenstance.

You are correct in that Sadism, pleasure in the infliction of pain, is considered a separate mental construct from schadenfreude. I still believe, however, that in the context we are discussing, schadenfreude may also play some role as we think of the submissive’s meeting of the particular Dom as happenstance.

Your last reply is a remarkable piece of self-analysis, and a rare window into the mind of Dominant Tops of your uncommon breed. I am grateful for your insight.