PReP avoiders

[Guest]

On 10/12/2021 at 7:11 PM, Jona26 said:

I love bb sex . I used to justify not minding if I became positive with the reason that I could relax and enjoy sex more as I could then go on meds and become undetectable. Now that Prep is available I can't use that argument anymore. I'm not on Prep, still neg and don't use condoms so I guess I have to face reality and admit that actually I must be a  chaser. Athough I don't go exclusively for unmedicated poz guys -  just finding them is a challenge enough! 

I'm not sure if it's this 'simple' (no offence intended) for everyone.
If the risk turns you on, or the prospect of being POZ does you might be though. 🥸

On a personal level the choice of starting a PrEP-regime basically comes down to the choice between taking antiretroviral drugs when you're still HIV-negative, or the possibility of having to go on HIV-medication if you get infected.

 

[pulcish]

I had to stop PrEP as it caused my liver numbers to get funky (I don't drink alcohol or do drugs, so it's not like I was doing activities that harm the liver)

That being said I had already been used to taking raw loads from strangers that my hole is too addicted to being a cumdumpster for me to stop letting randoms breed me 😅🥵 I do understand though that I will almost certainly end up poz.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, pulcish said:

I had to stop PrEP as it caused my liver numbers to get funky (I don't drink alcohol or do drugs, so it's not like I was doing activities that harm the liver)

That being said I had already been used to taking raw loads from strangers that my hole is too addicted to being a cumdumpster for me to stop letting randoms breed me 😅🥵 I do understand though that I will almost certainly end up poz.

Same for myself here, tried PrEP some years back and had similar problems and just decided to let it go and whatever happens, happens !!  So far nothing has happened, but am knowing it is coming sooner or later, but am too far along in life and the addiction to let it bother me now....

[BlindRawFucker1]

There are legitimate reasons for guys not taking PREP.

 

As has been mentioned above, kidney and liver problems can develop.  Also, there can bee bone issues.

 

In addition, Truvada and Descovy can block or amplify the dosages of some medications.

 

For example, some seizure meds are made almost enactive.

[BootmanLA]

13 hours ago, BareLover666 said:

I'm not sure if it's this 'simple' (no offence intended) for everyone.
If the risk turns you on, or the prospect of being POZ does you might be though. 🥸

On a personal level the choice of starting a PrEP-regime basically comes down to the choice between taking antiretroviral drugs when you're still HIV-negative, or the possibility of having to go on HIV-medication if you get infected.

 

But the difference is, if you take PrEP, you can stop if you know you're going to be sexually inactive for a while, for whatever reason. If, like many men, your sex drive wanes as you get older, you may find that it's not worth pursuing sex any longer (or outside sex, if you're in a relationship) and thus PrEP is overkill for your risk level. And you can use the "on demand" PrEP - which you have promoted many times - so as to limit its impact on your physiology.

Once you need treatment for HIV, though, it's a lifetime. Maybe you'll get switched to a different med if your kidneys are impacted, but you're going to be on something forever, unless we someday get an actual cure.

[timfreo]

Hey Prep! 🖕

[Guest]

10 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

But the difference is, if you take PrEP, you can stop if you know you're going to be sexually inactive for a while, for whatever reason. If, like many men, your sex drive wanes as you get older, you may find that it's not worth pursuing sex any longer (or outside sex, if you're in a (monogamous) relationship) and thus PrEP is overkill for your risk level. And you can use the "on demand" PrEP - which you have promoted many times - so as to limit its impact on your physiology. 

Once you need treatment for HIV, though, it's a lifetime. Maybe you'll get switched to a different med if your kidneys are impacted, but you're going to be on something forever, unless we someday get an actual cure.

Yes, you are absolutely right there are also (importent) differences and you name the most important one in relation to personal choice/freedom. Getting rid of an HIV infection is not a possibility and won't be anytime soon. If I remember correctly you yourself know how the fatality of the HIV-diagnosis impacts your life, having acquired the infection while being a member of BZ. (Apologies if my memory is at fault).

One other difference is that only a relatively small number of antiretroviral medications are used as PrEP. If someone experiences (serious) negative side-effects of PrEP there's luckily a very good chance that are still HIV-treatment options that won't cause the same adverse reactions, when someone does catch HIV. That's because only a relatively small number of medications are used for PrEP besides being used to treat an HIV-infection.
I attempt to be at least nothing if not consistent;. That's why I promote people - when they don't want the risk of becoming HIV-positive - to consult their doctor/general practitioner/health care professional as a crucial and important step in their proces of being informed about PrEP, taking into account their personal health situation and risk level.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Guest

[boy4you]

If you are on PrEP you won’t become HIV Poz. If you are not it’s only a matter of time before you get a Poz load and become a member of the Poz Brotherhood. Many Poz Tops are on meds now so it’s not as easy as you think to become Poz. 

[BootmanLA]

6 hours ago, BareLover666 said:

If I remember correctly you yourself know how the fatality of the HIV-diagnosis impacts your life, having acquired the infection while being a member of BZ. (Apologies if my memory is at fault).

Actually, I'm not entirely sure when I was infected. I did, however, get my *diagnosis* while a member of BZ. It's entirely possible that the infection was from before I joined. No need for apologies, however.

[BootmanLA]

3 hours ago, boy4you said:

If you are on PrEP you won’t become HIV Poz. If you are not it’s only a matter of time before you get a Poz load and become a member of the Poz Brotherhood. Many Poz Tops are on meds now so it’s not as easy as you think to become Poz. 

That's not quite the case. 

As you yourself note, it's increasingly difficult to "accidentally" encounter tops who are poz and infectious, given how many are on HIV treatment and thus undetectable. The propensity for the majority of HIV in the U.S. to be managed and undetectable - at least in certain communities - and the widespread availability of PrEP means that new infection rates in the U.S. are dropping. From 2015 to 2019 annual new cases dropped by 8%, and while numbers post-2019 aren't available, I suspect that Covid restrictions probably lowered that rate even further, but we won't know for sure.

All of which is to say that someone who has unprotected sex but who is not on PrEP is not "only a matter of time" before getting pozzed; if it were, all the chasers out there who've been chasing for years would have gotten it done. It's POSSIBLE he might get pozzed, but the odds are improving that he won't. (And they'll improve to near-certainty if he goes on PrEP, as you noted).

[Guest]

19 hours ago, boy4you said:

If you are on PrEP you won’t become HIV Poz. If you are not it’s only a matter of time before you get a Poz load and become a member of the Poz Brotherhood. Many Poz Tops are on meds now so it’s not as easy as you think to become Poz. 

 

You do know, tops can also acquire HIV and bottoms can give it?
The odds ar lower, but it happens.
I know several gay full tops who are POZ (and medicated...) and also the AIDS-pandemic in Africa especially, but in parts of Asia and the Near-East as well is still striking all kinds alike, both straight (and bi) and gay; and both men and women.

Here in the west becoming POZ is much harder as the people living (and fucking bareback) with HIV are becoming Undetectable (U=U) by acces to effective treatment, and more people going on PrEP.

On the other hand this website (BreedingZone) has banned fetishising aspects of POZ-Chasing when it focuses on not taking meds to acquire AIDS, the hunt for immune HIV-strains and/or the breeding of Med-Resistant Strains of the HIV-Virus and a kind of Super-AIDS.., concerned about it and calling it a 'Cult of Death' I believe.

So possibly if these stories are not entirely fictitious and just urban myths (as I believe) the risk is still there and can possibly rise from it's ashes, so to speak.

 

[120DaysofSodom]

I became POZ because I literally just stopped taking PrEP because the Truvada made me so deathly sick as a dog every night that it just wasnt worth it to me. There was always that masochistic desire I had in the back of my head to become infected with HIV but I never willingly just accepted a toxic POZ load to convert because I hate having to rely on medications every day just to not die in 2 years. In my late teens and early 20s when PrEP did not exist, I avoided contracting HIV as a trick and a porn actor because I used condoms, but when PrEP came out it made me so accustomed to barebacking that when I stopped taking the PrEP because of what it was doing to me, I was still barebacking and inevitably contracted. Good news is that they caught the infection within a month or two after being exposed because I came down with a terrible flu for four weeks, and was instantly put on ARVs. I have never had any negative side effects from my HIV meds.

[Pozpunk]

That’s funny, I became Poz because every guy that wanted to get busy and drop a load,did so raw. They pumped, dumped and bounced. Then I’d take my leather hood off and see who’ next. 

[Mcv69]

It’s really really hard to become Poz these days, nearly every last man I know is either on Prep or are positive using anti viral drugs, I don’t use Prep as a Top because it was doing damage to my body, that being said when I play with guys I pick and choose who I play with, I don’t fuck guys who are Wired or slamming because they tend to either lie or forget there meds due to being spun out for days. There isn’t many men out there that are fully toxic on purpose despite all the fantasy around that subject. Most positive men I speak to are some of the most honest also which is why I love Poz men also. 

[Kimberley]

12 hours ago, Mcv69 said:

I don’t use Prep as a Top because it was doing damage to my body

You know Emtricitabine/Tenofovirdisoproxil (prep) are 2 of the 3 basic meds to treat a hiv infection right?