Tops - How Hard Is It To Find “Good Pussy”?

[hntnhole]

I'm not quite clear about the question:  do you mean the bottom (as above, in a sex-only environment)  being in a "relationship"?  I'm not sure I understand what that would have to do with possessing a talented (and presumably experienced, well-used) Hole.

I suppose a bottom, in a relatively static, unexciting relationship, could feel he can only use his skills outside the relationship.  That would presuppose the relationship is already foundering, if the bottom brings enthusiasm to the tricks, hookups, fuckjoints with him.  That said, a single man who loves Cocks breeding his Hole can exhibit pure (maybe in-born?) talent too.  I guess I don't quite understand the question ...... 

[hntnhole]

19 hours ago, ErosWired said:

It’s not so much a superpower as it is a craft, something that a bottom masters more and more completely with time and experience - if he’s at all serious about service.

When are you opening the Academy? 

 I think you've forgotten more about servicing Cocks than some guys ever knew or will.  I also think you could easily stimulate the minds of aspiring, wanna-be cumdumps to be all they can be, guide their minds and sexual lusts to the greater good.  I can hardly wait to read the syllabus (but copywrite it first ..... 😁)

[ErosWired]

5 minutes ago, hntnhole said:

When are you opening the Academy? 

 I think you've forgotten more about servicing Cocks than some guys ever knew or will.  I also think you could easily stimulate the minds of aspiring, wanna-be cumdumps to be all they can be, guide their minds and sexual lusts to the greater good.  I can hardly wait to read the syllabus (but copywrite it first ..... 😁)

I would never claim to be cock-wise enough to school anybody on the subject. I just try to be very observant of the men I service and follow their cues as closely as I can. Tops give off lots of little cues about what they want, like, and need if you’re paying attention, but everyone is an individual - I can never be certain if a given technique will work on a guy until I’ve tried it. Then it’s usually a feeling of I’m glad that worked.

I’m not sure how easy it would be to organize a cumdump academy anyway; cumdumps are rather varied in their motivations, and I think you’d end up having to sort them into Houses like at Hogwarts. It’s just a question of how you’d figure out belonged to Grinanddump, Ridehimraw, Haveapuff (the PNP’rs obviously) or Slideitin.

[rock-cock-jock]

OK, I think there's some confusion here based on the range on answers. To clarify, I think what OP was more asking, was what physical traits constitute a hole (I also hate the word pussy. I'm saving up my energy for a rant on this), that gives the top the most pleasure (though to be more precise, rather than traits, it is sensory factors perceived by the top that are determined by the traits) . Context, technique, position, movement, etc may have some relation but are notably distinct and a good hole  should be distinguished from a good bottom.

So, I enjoy topping and I also really like anon so I pay attention to these things (because it's dark and you're focused on just the sensation, like tasting a fine wine). People's preferences will obviously vary but I think the most important physical traits of a good hole are:

-Sphincter muscles: Upon insertion into the anus, the penis passes the external and internal sphincter muscles. The reason why straight guys (assuming based on them calling it a 'pussy') generally call it good is because these sphincter muscles are usually tighter than the pelvic muscles of the vagina. You can control your external sphincter (skeletal muscle) consciously, while the internal sphincter (smooth muscle) is not under voluntary control. The more developed these are though the tighter a grip you can make on the top's cock. This is probably the #1 most important trait. Some guys like a loose ass, I don't. I can't even cum if it's too loose - and I'd be lying if I said that I was alright with fucking a guy despite it. 

-Pelvic floor muscles, pelvis orientation and relevant nerve control: these support your penis, bladder, rectum, and anus and the area around them like a hammock. The pelvic floor has 3 states of motion: neutral, contracted or lifted (which can be affected by mental state like anxiety and if it's too tight, you'll feel pain when you bottom). I think many bottoms have trauma over a painful first time bottoming and they've taken the advice of '"just push out"(which is basically bearing down on your pelvic muscles) to the extreme opposite and just go mega relaxed. This isn't optimal from a 'good hole' perspective because the floor muscles along with your pelvis orientation will affect the 'snugness' felt by the cock. This is because your rectum isn’t a straight tube—there’s a bend in it called the “anorectal angle.”. Ideally, the muscles should be slightly relaxed as to keep the rectum relatively linear (to avoid pain) but also with just enough pressure to stimulate the frenulum, a highly sensitive erogenous zone under the glans of the penis. But the thing is the frenulum is known to be particularly responsive to a light and sensitive touch and if you go too tight, you''ll not only miss this effect but you'll also be in discomfort. Given the vast variability of cock sizes and angles, adjusting your orientation with your floor muscles that's why bottoming is an art form of finding just the right angle and maintaining it during thrusting. And you can only get this kind of dexterity by exercise, which not only develops and balances (you cant just do kegels or you'll be too tight) pelvic muscles but also increases nerve control allowing finer adjustments between relaxation and contraction.

- This part is pure speculation and it's regarding the sensation of warmth. Some bottoms seem have to asses that are hotter (temperature-wise) than others. There's incredibly nothing I can find on the subject at all when I google it. I feel like it must be related to the degree of peripheral vasodilation of the rectal blood vessels which could potentially be due to an infection, if they smoke weed, genetic causes, if they're taking certain meds like SSRI's, who knows

 

[ErosWired]

58 minutes ago, rock-cock-jock said:

Some bottoms seem have to asses that are hotter (temperature-wise) than others.

Yes! I remarked on this somewhere else in the forum some time ago, that there are some asses that feel almost hot, and others that run clammy to cold - my topping experience was quite limited, but I noticed the temperature difference distinctly. You wouldn’t think it, given that a human’s body temperature is supposed to fall within a given range, but the effect is real.

1 hour ago, rock-cock-jock said:

a good hole  should be distinguished from a good bottom.

Hm. Can a good bottom be a good  bottom if he gives lousy hole? Is an otherwise awful bottom redeemed by a sweet cunt? You’re right that I was asking mostly about what physical aspects of the hole those men were responding to with the phrase “good pussy”, because I quite dislike categorizations we often hear around here that say that a “good bottom” does this or that.

At the same time, though, I’m not sure that the Tops I’m talking about were limiting their assessment simply to the direct physical aspects of the hole - in your description above of what constitutes good hole, the traits you mention aren’t static traits - they’re dependent upon how the bottom employs them. (And I think you’re right about that.)

So I can’t help wondering if “good pussy” for those Tops is a way of encapsulating the whole experience of choice anatomy employed to its best advantage with technique and skill.

[rock-cock-jock]

1 hour ago, ErosWired said:

Hm. Can a good bottom be a good  bottom if he gives lousy hole? Is an otherwise awful bottom redeemed by a sweet cunt? You’re right that I was asking mostly about what physical aspects of the hole those men were responding to with the phrase “good pussy”, because I quite dislike categorizations we often hear around here that say that a “good bottom” does this or that.

I think what I meant by 'good bottom' is someone who is experienced enough to know generally what to do and what not to do (has anyone ever liked a constantly squirming bottom? it's like you find an angle that feels good and he wriggles around and fucks it up. Just stay still and take it for fucks sakes) so, more technique oriented. By good hole, I was thinking more innate characteristics. So it's kinda relative but it's basically the idea that a good btm optimizes what he's got and a good hole is like raw material to work with. A perfect hole on a grandmaster btm is like reaching enlightenment There are some guys out there that are just genetically gifted in ass structure and is not necessarily due to physical fitness or size or age(though I think they may contribute) . Even though they don't have much experience, they may have really strong sphincter muscles where the grip strength is like next level or they may have such thick pelvic floor muscles that it literally feels like a canal of thick muscle, the hot butt ones ofc (if that's how they were born) and I had a weird one once that he had like twitching vibrating muscle or something up there. No idea how that happens but it was a very unique experience.

On a related note, I feel like porn is not a good model for good anal sex based purely on a physical pleasure perspective. I feel like alot of porn has been modified to be visually stimulating to an extreme (for example an ultra anterior pelvic tilt to give the look of a big booty) and it's often the case that we try to adjust our bodies to look good in a certain position for our partner...but doesn't end up being optimal. I bet prehistoric gay men must have had amazing sex because everything was just natural and instinct

[steve-tmq]

For me there is Nothing worse than a pushy bottom but as a switch I have to say when I bottom I can give more to a TOP if I can be in a position that is workable.  The times I have had tops push the middle of my back down and try and get my ass up.  This is not possible for me but the top's still try.  Why what's the point?  It just makes me want to push you off and leave.

   

[rock-cock-jock]

I'm gonna push back on that gently with some hopefully constructive criticism. I'm going to assume you may have had some lower back damage or something because our spines are naturally supposed to be slightly anterior tilted primarily for load bearing purposes. So, there are 2 reasons I know of why they're doing that: 1) depending on the angle, you could be pushing his cock out. Conversely, arching your back will allow deeper penetration. A lot of the time if the bottom is not used to bottoming and is in pain, the instinctive movement is to retreat from the pain by rounding the spine and decrease the space down there. The angle is also much harder for the top to enter from. It's also not as pleasant to top a btm in that position tbh as it's harder to get a nice grip . So yeah you might think you're doing more by being in a comfortable position for you but that's a really disadvantageous position. If your back is hurting, there might be other poses you could try or maybe lie down with a pillow below or something 2) This point is going to completely undermine my previous porn comment but it's true. You might look ok in a neutral or rounded position, but just ok. In an arched position, the visual sex appeal is like exponentially improved. Like everything just looks way better. It shows off your butt, pulls in your stomach, pushes out your chest and your scapulas pop out and you suddenly look sexy and confident and athletic. That kind of eye candy when you're topping is just like yum.

 

[chipygmalion80]

On 3/3/2022 at 10:46 PM, occumhungry said:

Criteria for good hole:

1) Has to be clean; nothing kills my boner more than the smell of sex shit. When mixed with lube, it really turns me off.

2) Its loose enough to penetrate without much effort, but controlled enough so the bottom tightens at the right times.

3) Cum, cum, cum. The more cum in the hole, the better it feels. That's when I really start being verbal about how good a hole is.

4) Just enough cushion for pushin. I hate fucking hard and hitting into a bony ass. But if its too big, I don't get in deep enough.

+1,000

Also, 0 attitude & 0 drama.  Good pussy cumpdump ain't no Queen of the Hill and hopefully doesn't get a mug shot on COPS.

[NWUSHorny]

It varies some based on location. If you are in a city that has an active casual sex scene a talented bottom is easy to find, practice does make perfect in this situation. If you aren't somewhere with that active casual sex scene, you may still get lucky and find one, but you will more likely find someone that has more limitations, like only fucks in 1 or 2 positions, doesn't know how to move with you and find a position that works, or can't fuck for very long before having to take a break. The tops in cities without a casual sex scene tend to share the same issues

[occumhungry]

On 3/3/2022 at 9:21 PM, ErosWired said:

But that isn’t really a feature of the ass itself, it’s a circumstance. Would you say that an otherwise mediocre hole would become a good hole if it had cum in it? Or that a hole that in every other respect would be considered excellent wouldn’t be if it weren’t pre-loaded? If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that no pussy is really good unless it’s been pre-fucked by someone else. Which, if that’s your personal criteria, no problem - it just doesn’t seem like an evaluation of the merits of the hole itself. It’s sort of like saying that a steak can’t be a good steak unless it has enough steak sauce on it.

I disagree. I have regular bottom buds that are always cumdumps with loads. While it may be circumstance, a good pussy is always filled.

 

 

[hntnhole]

On 3/3/2022 at 11:46 PM, occumhungry said:

1) Has to be clean; nothing kills my boner more than the smell of sex shit. When mixed with lube, it really turns me off.

2) Its loose enough to penetrate without much effort, but controlled enough so the bottom tightens at the right times.

3) Cum, cum, cum. The more cum in the hole, the better it feels. That's when I really start being verbal about how good a hole is.

4) Just enough cushion for pushin. I hate fucking hard and hitting into a bony ass. But if its too big, I don't get in deep enough.

This summary is 100% in sync with mine.  Brief, clear, and completely on point.  Thanks, occumhungry.

[Miregal]

I'd put down my 2 cent... And it will be purely in physical terms. 

Over the years, I noticed every ass is different just as every cock is different. And it comes down to largely 2 aspects. 

First is the size. Some are born with naturally wider, more expandable hole while others are not. Some has longer, good 10-15 cm sphincter while others much shorter than that. Some rectums, past sphincter muscle, can be more cavernous and empty, while others narrower and yet others somehow full of extra skin like a bunched up crushed velvet. Some are born with naturally stronger muscles all around (have an Irish friend who has a typical rugby player's lower body, and it's not just his legs that are muscular... I can fuck all my might, and he take it without a flinch). 

All these sheer physical dimensions will affect how it feels inside. 

Second point is the texture of mucous membrane. Just as our outer skin differ person to person, our skin inside also take on a character of their own. Some are thin and almost dry, others delicate and flimsy; some are thick and pillow and others are so plump that they feel like the surface of an inflated balloon. 

I have an unproven theory in this regard- that I can tell what kind of ass I'm going to get by getting a blow job. Even though mouth and ass are on the opposite ends, the mucous membrane often seem to share the similar character. 

Now, there is no right or wrong kind of physical character. After all it is all about how it matches the top's size, girth, curbiture and sensitivity. 

 

I'd just add some practical options for bottoms to consider if your tops struggle to cum inside you. 

Most obvious one would be training your muscles. And the key word is control not tight.

Second is to try different lub options. As a rule of thumb silicon based lub would be less gloopy and leave cock bit more sensitive. I myself settled down with coconut oil, which I find to give just enough slip and not more... Not to mention cheaper than most lubs. 

Third is trying different positions. It's hard to say which position is the best because it really comes down to our different physicality, but changing the position definitely affect how it feels for both top and bottom. 

Last is to clean it out well. I know it's easier said than done, and I don't mind occasional 'accidents'... But faecal matter can be surprisingly effective lub. A guy I know has rather loose but still nice hole that wraps my cock around nicely... But he fails to preparing it clean 8 out of 10 times, and I can never cum when his hole is too sleak with shit. 

 

Anyway, that was just what I've been observing over the years.