bareback-flipflop Posted Tuesday at 05:55 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 05:55 PM Both comments above mine are very accurate. I have experiences with “straight “ guys who were rather bottom. E met a young guy with a very wealthy appearance and a brand new huge e-vehicle cruiser in my city’s famous cruising park. He was the only person in my life who was able to suck my dick off within less than 5 minutes. Even if it was cold as fuck below zero. He sucked my dick with an enthusiasm like no tomorrow. Straight (married) guys take dicks like nobody. 1 Quote
SubBoy916 Posted Tuesday at 07:41 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 07:41 PM Married bottom boy here. Wife actually got me into all of this haha 1 1 Quote
hntnhole Posted Tuesday at 08:39 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 08:39 PM Well, this thread has been around for a while ... I've read posts occasionally - but only just now figured I'd comment. There is an underlying thesis to this thread, which is that the preponderance of men (possibly some women too), have an inborn need to spread their dna. Since the institution of marriage is legally-sanctioned, that is the easiest "outlet" for men who need (as in, must have) plenty of sex. And, since the preponderance of men are hets, marriage works out well for the majority. So, why would married guys cheat? Because all men - whether straight or gay - horndog or meek & mild - are determined to keep their balls drained, or merely accepting whatever chance they may have to fuck. The reason men cheat is simple: the urge, necessity, requirement to spread their sperm to as many holes (either male or female), is far stronger than almost all other innate urges. Add to that, the absolute delight bottoms take in servicing cocks makes the "gay" choice all the more acceptable. As the old saying goes; "Any port in a storm". Religious/cultural pressures are a far larger (but not concrete) problem for most men; remove said pressures, and I think most men would gladly become far less "focused" on fucking women, in favor of just fucking whoever happened to be taking loads at the moment. Thus, it's a rather fine line for the preponderance of men. What males care most about, is spreading their seed - not who's hole they pump it into. 2 1 Quote
norefusal Posted Tuesday at 08:52 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 08:52 PM On 3/21/2023 at 4:58 PM, HoneyBuns1980 said: I’m seeing a lot of these supposedly married guys are “curious” and “want to try bottoming.” HUGE put-off for me. i'm the exact opposite. 😜 a young twink who wants desperately to be bred is a huge turn off for me. but a str8 guy, esp a masc str8 guys, taking dick up the ass for the first time? huge turn on. 4 1 Quote
blackrobe Posted yesterday at 05:32 PM Report Posted yesterday at 05:32 PM (edited) 20 hours ago, hntnhole said: Thus, it's a rather fine line for the preponderance of men. What males care most about, is spreading their seed - not who's hole they pump it into. I get what you're driving at. Allow me a small quibble? I think the preponderance of men do have *very general* preferences about the holes they breed. Some men are only going to breed specific genders and specific holes that align with their desires. Outside that, the intensity of a man's need to breed (rut, deprivation, intoxication, etc.) rules what individual's holes they will settle for breeding. This is what makes your statement so true in spirit. Straight men talk about women's role as sexual gatekeepers and that is from where so much grievance, privation, and pathology springs. They also talk about the ease and low cost of getting relief from other men. In a world where what you propose is true in every way, men would be infinitely happier. Breeders would rut in as many holes (many male because - gatekeeping) as pleases them, depositing their seed. So many men would line up to help fulfill that unmet need. That's a world I want to live in. Edited yesterday at 05:33 PM by blackrobe Quote
hntnhole Posted 23 hours ago Report Posted 23 hours ago 3 hours ago, blackrobe said: I get what you're driving at. Allow me a small quibble? Of course. That's what I love about these "discussion" threads. I don't see any "quibble" in your reply at all. If you mean "I think the preponderance of men do have *very general* preferences about the holes they breed", I'm with you 100%. Certainly men have differing notions of what "type", what gender, what body-size/type, even extending to "racial" preferences (which I don't discount, but I'd rather not hear about it either). I think girls-cum-women are "taught" to be "gatekeepers" from childhood - I witnessed it to some extent as my younger sister was growing up. While it may also be 'carrying river water to the oceans' as well, it boils down to cultural roots, which we either honor, ignore, or create new roots which better reflect the men we've become. "That's a world I want to live in" We are nothing short of intellectual / spiritual brothers in that regard. Fortunately, when I first 'figured it out", I lived in a large enough city to find some of my own kind. Found even more when I went away to school. After graduation, moved to Chicago, where there was so much wanton action no one guy could ever experience it all - even if he never took time to eat, only had sex. Finally, moved to Ft. L., where there's even more concentrated into a smaller area, and there's no winter! So I can say I made the choice, as soon as I was able to choose, to live in "a world I want to live in". I think I was more fortunate than some guys, in that I was able to make choices that reflected the man I was beginning to be, and also reflected the man I became. In that regard, I have zero regrets. I hope with all my heart that you too have made decisions that have allowed you to become the best man you can possibly be. It's never too late. Quote
blackrobe Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago 9 hours ago, hntnhole said: Of course. That's what I love about these "discussion" threads. I don't see any "quibble" in your reply at all. [...] I hope with all my heart that you too have made decisions that have allowed you to become the best man you can possibly be. It's never too late. A quibble is a very small nit picking after all. The fates need to mend their ways to allow some of those decisions. Let's hope. 1 Quote
MaleLicker69 Posted 7 hours ago Report Posted 7 hours ago On 12/9/2025 at 2:41 PM, SubBoy916 said: Married bottom boy here. Wife actually got me into all of this haha Well it's nice that you wife is ok with the fact of you being bisexual Quote
chipygmalion80 Posted 5 hours ago Report Posted 5 hours ago (edited) On 12/9/2025 at 1:41 PM, SubBoy916 said: Married bottom boy here. Wife actually got me into all of this haha That's what I call support! A partner who supports and encourages the person to be true, happy, and grow. I have views about this that have gotten me banned. IMO, the normalization of "don't talk to me if you're in a relationship" types and this Lifetime movie idealization of life-partner=great-sex don't get it. Or I don't get them. Monogamy is one of many, valid types of relationships ... one that has lots of issues. One of those issues is sex. So, it's no surprise that history is full of married people with mistresses, boy toys, flings, etc. I am told to shut it, and that serial monogamy is simply what some people want. OK, I'll shut it. (But I've not been convinced that it stinks of heteronormative, Christian indoctrination modified for the modern age. The partner isn't "until death do us part" anymore but the sex is exclusive anyways. Seems ass backwards to me, and a hassle. There's a lot of work that goes into building a long-term relationship. I'm not going to just dump my partner because the great sex fizzled out. It's much easier to "cheat" -- air quotes on cheating because many partners know.) Edited 5 hours ago by chipygmalion80 typos Quote
chipygmalion80 Posted 5 hours ago Report Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 18 hours ago, hntnhole said: I think girls-cum-women are "taught" to be "gatekeepers" from childhood - I witnessed it to some extent as my younger sister was growing up. While it may also be 'carrying river water to the oceans' as well, it boils down to cultural roots, which we either honor, ignore, or create new roots which better reflect the men we've become. Perhaps. It's the old Nature vs Nuture debate in another form. The Nuture people say women are programmed by most societies to be monogamous. Not all societies did that. If researchers took a pair of male twins and raised 1) to procreate at all costs, like enslaving him as a dick to use for an end of the world scenario, or make anyone available to him to relieve his sex urges; but his twin 2) was reserved to analyzing his monogamous partner's health, factoring in an alignment of the stars for good sex omens, or reserving rare, special days to have sex with 1 person for the life, etc. -- well, I think we'd get 2 different males. At least to some degree. I really suspect that #2 twin would try to escape from the sex constraints, and #1 would feel sexually "overworked". Futurama had a hilarious episode where the men were enslaved to have sex for the Amazon women. At first they were thrilled to always get sex with any woman. Ah, but the guys pelvises were pummeled to death by the women riding them to death. Too much of a good thing. There are biological limits to things. There's a Nature factor in this. I don't think it's all socially constructed. If society pushes too hard, sometimes the self can push back. The mind or the body rejects society's impositions when they don't make sense. Edited 5 hours ago by chipygmalion80 typos 1 Quote
hntnhole Posted 1 hour ago Report Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, chipygmalion80 said: There's a Nature factor in this. I don't think it's all socially constructed. If society pushes too hard, sometimes the self can push back. The mind or the body rejects society's impositions when they don't make sense. Agreed. The "urge" to procreate, particularly in women, is a natural factor, of course. Females of all types are the suppliers of future generations of whatever species being considered. The "urge" to procreate in males is less strictly defined, and fucking almost anything can do in a pinch. Thus, males can fuck other males and feel they've done "their job" in a sensory way, the same as if they'd fucked a female. The "rub", I suppose, would be if the male actually felt some responsibility to regenerate his own kind - meaning a human. What I wonder is, now that the planet is very well-populated (some would say over-populated), does that fact impact the choice of gender the male aims his cock at? At this point (in world-population), we don't actually need the babies every man is capable of producing, so does that fact make it easier (culturally) to "allow" men to fuck each other merely for the pleasure of it? Quote
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