UT,LA,VA,MS,MT,AR,TX,NC are now ALL blocked! (IN & ID 7/1)

[BootmanLA]

11 hours ago, badjujuboy said:

That was it. Though, I’m not in of those states so not sure why I would encounter it.  I’m about 500 miles from the closest state on the list so it wasn’t a piggyback IP thing either. Once I cleared the history and website  data was from Safari , I was no longer being redirected.  I guess I may have picked up a cookie that caused me to show from a restricted state or I couldn’t be located so it defaulted to a restricted one. 

I had read about the restrictions but didn’t think it would affect me. Thanks again Viking8x6, The more you know! 

The problem is that if you're on a mobile device using a cellular network - and I assume you were, rather than using wifi - then your cellular provider may be shuffling IP addresses around all over the place.

When you access the web over a cellular network rather than WiFi, the communication between you and the cellular network isn't TCP/IP-based at all. Once your request (for, say, breeding.zone) is received at the cellular network, it then sends a TCP/IP request to this site to connect; but the TCP/IP address represents the proxy server (at the cellular network), not your phone. And you have no control over where that proxy is located, or what IP address range the cell company is using on the proxy, so you can't tell what it looks like to a site like BZ. And BZ, in turn, doesn't know where you are; all it knows is that an IP address of A.B.C.D is trying to connect, and based on what the internet says, that address was given to TMobile (or ATT or Verizon) and registered to X state, but the company could be using it pretty much anywhere. So your cell  company's proxy server - the thing BZ recognizes - could well be in a banned state.

 

This is less of an issue with non-cellular ISP's (ie home computers) because those ISPs tend to have local/regional IP address blocks registered to a server in the user's state, which makes location information more accurate. Even big national cable companies are broken into much smaller operating units, which almost always have their own IP address pools and DHCP servers. And since pretty much 100% of the network traffic from a home computer is IP-address-based, those DHCP servers tend to be robust and static - they don't take chunks of addresses and move them from Colorado to Texas readily.

[fuckholedc]

1 hour ago, BootmanLA said:

 

Because they have spent zero effort building a party, ... they win zero electoral votes.

 

The electoral college system is ... anti-democratic.  The United States is not a democracy.

 

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 always siphoning votes away from the Democrats and in at least some cases costing them victory in an otherwise closely; divided state. 

Democrats are not generally progressives.   And no progressive has ever been elected in the United States, at least not in modern history (one could argue that LBJ of all people was the most progressive President in US history ... because he did actively attempt to confront and dismantle racist politics .... which shows people how far American politics is from progressive politics).  Let me know when any candidate for higher office focuses on fundamental human rights, which then naturally includes LGBTQI rights and naturally includes opposition to structural racism and naturally includes an opposition to economic oppression and a commitment to the elimination of poverty, and naturally includes universal health care, and human centered policies.

 

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They are electoral spoilers under our system, 

Nice to know.  A spoiler of an anti-democratic, pro-oligarchical, racist and anti-Gay system.  Ok.  

The issue is that I have to vote for people and policies that I agree with and not with the dominant, perverse football game interpretation of American elections.

[UKFFBBBtm]

America will never scrap the electoral collage system, whilst it might be undemocratic and unconditional, it benefits both parties when they win. Each party only moans about it when lose.

America isn't one country, its 50 countries masquerading as one. 

It's essentially the EU, 27 countries (referred to as Member States) each with its own laws, each with open borders with eachother and a single currency, bound by some mandated laws from the EU parliament and some rules that are more guidelines but the member states can choose to ignore.

Until enough Americaa realise that they're being brainwashed, nothing will change.

Oh and it's funny how all Americans think that the Democrats are left wing and Liberal, by European standards the Democrats are right wing and not Liberal at all whilst the Republicans are so far right, the line is a dot to them.

[ErosWired]

5 hours ago, UKFFBBBtm said:

Until enough Americaa realise that they're being brainwashed, nothing will change.

They’re not going to realize it. The brainwashing isn’t a flaw in the concept of America, it’s a feature. The fundamental, founding principle of America isn’t a love of freedom - it’s a belief that a person can love both God and money at the same time. And that’s not possible.

People strive to reach these shores because they’re drawn to the “shining city on a hill” like moths to a street light, lured by promises that wealth awaits them in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Haves (the Have-Nots live here too, but nobody likes to talk about them). Once they’re here they find they’ve simply entered a Capitalist (Capital ‘C’ Capitalist) meat-grinder, and they’re the meat. The only way the system can maintain itself is through constant bombardment of consumerist messaging, and endless reminders of Horatio Alger’s vision that a man could could rise to success in America on his own power.

Har de har har.

It’s a propaganda state so successful that even those who are aware of its nature aren’t immune from it’s effects, because what it promises ought to be true, and we wish so very, very much that they were. We want so desperately to be the kind of good, upright, reliable people we’re told we are, that we can’t bear looking in the mirror.

So, no, we’re not going to un-brainwash ourselves any time soon. That would require a national wisdom we have not achieved. I always think of the United States as a 21-year-old nation in a room full of adult nations of mature years. That is to say, a naïve idiot with too much energy who thinks it’s immortal and knows everything. What happens if you give a 21-year-old a credit card with no spending limit? Exactly.

For the New World is like Heaven

And we’ll all be rich and free

Or so we have been told

By the Virginia Company.

    - From Pocahontas

[UKFFBBBtm]

6 hours ago, ErosWired said:

They’re not going to realize it. The brainwashing isn’t a flaw in the concept of America, it’s a feature. The fundamental, founding principle of America isn’t a love of freedom - it’s a belief that a person can love both God and money at the same time. And that’s not possible.

People strive to reach these shores because they’re drawn to the “shining city on a hill” like moths to a street light, lured by promises that wealth awaits them in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Haves (the Have-Nots live here too, but nobody likes to talk about them). Once they’re here they find they’ve simply entered a Capitalist (Capital ‘C’ Capitalist) meat-grinder, and they’re the meat. The only way the system can maintain itself is through constant bombardment of consumerist messaging, and endless reminders of Horatio Alger’s vision that a man could could rise to success in America on his own power.

Har de har har.

It’s a propaganda state so successful that even those who are aware of its nature aren’t immune from it’s effects, because what it promises ought to be true, and we wish so very, very much that they were. We want so desperately to be the kind of good, upright, reliable people we’re told we are, that we can’t bear looking in the mirror.

So, no, we’re not going to un-brainwash ourselves any time soon. That would require a national wisdom we have not achieved. I always think of the United States as a 21-year-old nation in a room full of adult nations of mature years. That is to say, a naïve idiot with too much energy who thinks it’s immortal and knows everything. What happens if you give a 21-year-old a credit card with no spending limit? Exactly.

For the New World is like Heaven

And we’ll all be rich and free

Or so we have been told

By the Virginia Company.

    - From Pocahontas

My thoughts and prayers. 😛

[badjujuboy]

@BootmanLA It may very well be that. I sometimes have issues accessing the site on my home WiFi due to the long response rate from BZ and I usually turn it off and then go cellular. I’m then am able to access. I’ll then turn WiFi back on and am able to browse.  I was having that issue and did just that. I was then redirected the next time I was on my home WiFi  until I cleared the data from Safari. 

Edited October 21, 2023 by badjujuboy

[viking8x6]

8 hours ago, ErosWired said:

...it’s a belief that a person can love both God and money at the same time. And that’s not possible.

 

For the New World is like Heaven

And we’ll all be rich and free

Or so we have been told

By the Virginia Company.

    - From Pocahontas

PREACH!  Goddess BLESS you, @ErosWired, and send you good health and long life!

[BootmanLA]

On 10/21/2023 at 3:29 AM, UKFFBBBtm said:

America will never scrap the electoral collage system, whilst it might be undemocratic and unconditional, it benefits both parties when they win. Each party only moans about it when lose.

Strictly speaking, that might or might not be true. However, there is a proposed "workaround" floating about, called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, whereby states that have signed on agree to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote nationwide. It will only take effect when enough states representing a majority of the electoral votes (or 270) sign on.

To date, 16 states (plus DC) have passed legislation to implement the Compact: California, Oregon, Washington, New Mexico, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota, New York, Vermont, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Massachusetts, and the District of Columbia. They represent 205 electoral votes, so there's still a ways to go.

But more importantly: EVERY one of these states is dominated by Democrats, which belies your statement that "each party only moans about it when lose [sic]". Progressive states are stepping up to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak.

The truth is that the EC only benefits the right - in this case, the Republican party. We have not had a Democratic president elected by the Electoral College who lost the popular vote. But that happened for both George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016. The EC has a solidly pro-GOP bias built into it, and to pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

[rawTOP]

On 10/20/2023 at 3:09 PM, fuckholedc said:

Too bad Americans don't have a real progressive party…

Sorry, but on this topic the progressives and the hard right are both supporting censorship of porn and are a threat to sexual expression. The GOP wants to censor porn for "moral" reasons. The progressives want to censor porn for feminist reasons (e.g. "all porn is an abuse of women").

Politics is circular (or at least horseshoe shaped). The far left and far right often come to the same conclusions - just for different reasons. Both encourage censorship and are anti-free speech. Don't believe me? Read this article…

https://apple.news/ANJO1TmhpQ8aOmBteQxUFtw

[rawTOP]

On 10/21/2023 at 4:29 AM, UKFFBBBtm said:

America will never scrap the electoral collage system, whilst it might be undemocratic and unconditional, it benefits both parties when they win. Each party only moans about it when lose.

The Electoral College is probably the only reason why the US doesn't have a widespread problem with stolen elections via voter fraud. Right now voter fraud is pointless by parties that dominate a state, which means the only place vote fraud is effective is in highly contested states where the other party will have more resources and be able to challenge the fraud.

If you want actual stolen elections - get rid of the Electoral College. Until we rewrite our constitution and have a parliamentary system, it's better than the alternative.

[fuckholedc]

8 hours ago, rawTOP said:

Sorry, but on this topic the progressives and the hard right are both supporting censorship of porn and are a threat to sexual expression. The GOP wants to censor porn for "moral" reasons. The progressives want to censor porn for feminist reasons (e.g. "all porn is an abuse of women").

As far as I can tell progressives do not want to censor porn *ALTHOUGH* I have indeed met some progressives who do fit your description of censoring porn for feminist reasons.  I first ran into this with some Lesbians in DC some time ago.  I told them that most Gay men had a different relationship specifically with Gay porn, and esp. sex positive Gay men from the sex industry broadly speaking (back then I fit that category since I'm a former Gay stripper).  I have to admit that there are some "progressives" that do reflect your concern.  This may be a more regional thing though (I can't imagine that this is a potent political issue on much of the West Coast [but I could be wrong] and this doesn't appear to be a current issue in the DC area anymore, at least not wrt Gay male or Trans porn.

[UKFFBBBtm]

I didn't mean to stir anything up with my post. Just as an outside observer of the US, it's becoming more fucked up in my opinion 

[Eptxbttm]

Glad I live near the border and work in another state but it does limit my usage of this site. 

[rawTOP]

A bill has been introduced in Ohio which ups the penalty to a 3rd degree felony for webmasters and a misdemeanor for anyone in the state who uses a VPN to get around the law.

https://www.clevescene.com/news/proposed-ohio-porn-age-verification-bill-raises-serious-civil-liberties-concerns-42996253 
 

How you guys vote, how your friends and family votes - it matters a lot! This is going to get worse before it gets better. 

[PozTalkAuthor]

This matter of punishing even people who use a VPN is even more dangerous than the "anti-porn" laws themselves. 

This is the introduction to government censorship 

I'm not one of those believing in conspiracy or stuff, I talk as a computer professional: true that VPN's and anonymizers are sometimes used to harm, but well, even knives. Even cars... And PILLOWS have been used to kill, sometimes. So? Do we give punishments to people having a pillow at home? 

The most serious problem is that politicians proposing and voting these rules, use an existing problem (need to protect minors from inappropriate contents), for making citizens accept strict anti-freedom rules. 

And why all of this? Because they do not want to make the effort of working in EDUCATION. It's hard to do, it's long and slow, but it's long-lasting too. 

I'm European and many countries are discussing these "internet-killer" laws too. 

Voting is the only way we have, to defend ourselves! But when they put children in propaganda, for non-rational people it's very very difficult! 

I have a 15-months-old nephew, my twin sister's giving me a niece in 2024, who knows what I'd do if someone ever tries to put their hands on my family. But I'm enough rational and experienced in Internet and computers, to understand that prohibition is not effective. It represses adults, who then might even between violent to the same children they want to protect. 

If you don't have access to porn any longer what do you do? With the horniness you used to satisfy seeing naked folks on video/pic, you just try to manipulate ordinary social networks and chats visitors, to get them naked in your private chat sessions. That's all. 

P.S. - same to make porn access difficults, are the same to promote weapons! 

Sorry, I'm always frank while I talk. As usual.