Discussion on Racism and Fetishizing from Spun BBC Worship

[ellentonboy]

Moderator's Note: This discussion was begun in response to a story in ChemSex Stories. If you are interested in reading the story, you can find it here. 

I wonder if any of our black members are offended by threads that mention race In particular🙄? I sure hope not...

[partying.hard]

3 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

I wonder if any of our black members are offended by threads that mention race In particular🙄? I sure hope not...

In this group, there are lots on pigs into BBC.  And any BBC in this group is going to be happy to have their dick worshiped.

[muscmtl]

3 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

I wonder if any of our black members are offended by threads that mention race In particular🙄? I sure hope not...

Fukkk no. Best thing is to be a big dick black guy, new top of gay food chain. If i ever find Aladin lamp, gonna be my first wish

[taye]

Im actually Black unlike most other responders.  It is racist and offensive. A big turn off from strangers.  For me, its fake respect and fake admiration. There's race play but that's consensual.  There is nothing sexy about being reminded by strangers that you are discriminated against where it jeopardizes your life and quality of life. And then have someone who has no idea what's like to reduce you to a body part to be used while dismissing your struggle, that it's rooted in white supremacy or the fight for your very humanity.. Its not worship, it's a dismissive fantasy and discrimination.   No one calls latinos "brown dick" or asians "yellow dick" or indigenous people "red dick".  But its okay in porn or sexual fantasy to do it to Black men??  Check out Race Cooper, sex worker and now activist, he has a whole podcast about it.

Most people reading here wont respect or dismiss this insight provided but then its not for you.  Its for the people who genuinely care, are curious and respect their fellow human...even when fantasizing. Consent is sexy. Even consenting to be used.

Peace.

   

[B1gThank5]

I’m amazed at how people still have a bigoted mind set 

[ellentonboy]

16 hours ago, taye said:

Im actually Black unlike most other responders.  It is racist and offensive. A big turn off from strangers.  For me, its fake respect and fake admiration. There's race play but that's consensual.  There is nothing sexy about being reminded by strangers that you are discriminated against where it jeopardizes your life and quality of life. And then have someone who has no idea what's like to reduce you to a body part to be used while dismissing your struggle, that it's rooted in white supremacy or the fight for your very humanity.. Its not worship, it's a dismissive fantasy and discrimination.   No one calls latinos "brown dick" or asians "yellow dick" or indigenous people "red dick".  But its okay in porn or sexual fantasy to do it to Black men??  Check out Race Cooper, sex worker and now activist, he has a whole podcast about it.

Most people reading here wont respect or dismiss this insight provided but then its not for you.  Its for the people who genuinely care, are curious and respect their fellow human...even when fantasizing. Consent is sexy. Even consenting to be used.

Peace.

   

You are catorgorizing white men. Get off your high horse.  You are generalizing all white men as if we worship black dick, we don't .  What you are saying is as offensive as saying all white men are in search of "BBC".  Sorry but you are wrong.

[Qilly55]

You can't like black cock now!  So I'm a racist?.

Geeez

[Sfmike64]

3 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

You are catorgorizing white men. Get off your high horse.  You are generalizing all white men as if we worship black dick, we don't .  What you are saying is as offensive as saying all white men are in search of "BBC".  Sorry but you are wrong.

And you're missing the point. The point is that white guys who fetishize "BBC" but don't really think about the person who is attached to that cock are a problem. No one really wants to be treated like just a piece of meat (without their consent of course).

The point is that you should treat ALL people you have sex with as human beings and not reduce them to one characteristic or another.

[ellentonboy]

40 minutes ago, Sfmike64 said:

And you're missing the point. The point is that white guys who fetishize "BBC" but don't really think about the person who is attached to that cock are a problem. No one really wants to be treated like just a piece of meat (without their consent of course).

The point is that you should treat ALL people you have sex with as human beings and not reduce them to one characteristic or another.

No, I am not missing the point at all.  That's your opinion and you don't know me personally, so don't attack me, got it?  BTW, don't quote me again, understand?

Edited August 30, 2023 by ellentonboy

[Pig4Fucking]

22 hours ago, taye said:

Im actually Black unlike most other responders.  It is racist and offensive. A big turn off from strangers.  For me, its fake respect and fake admiration. There's race play but that's consensual.  There is nothing sexy about being reminded by strangers that you are discriminated against where it jeopardizes your life and quality of life. And then have someone who has no idea what's like to reduce you to a body part to be used while dismissing your struggle, that it's rooted in white supremacy or the fight for your very humanity.. Its not worship, it's a dismissive fantasy and discrimination.   No one calls latinos "brown dick" or asians "yellow dick" or indigenous people "red dick".  But its okay in porn or sexual fantasy to do it to Black men??  Check out Race Cooper, sex worker and now activist, he has a whole podcast about it.

Most people reading here wont respect or dismiss this insight provided but then its not for you.  Its for the people who genuinely care, are curious and respect their fellow human...even when fantasizing. Consent is sexy. Even consenting to be used.

Peace.

   

I imagine many women of Asian derivation have similar feelings about men of all races who reduce them to little sex minxes whose key  purpose in life is to be subservient and sexually pleasing to males.

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Pig4Fucking

[Sfmike64]

2 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

No, I am not missing the point at all.  That's your opinion and you don't know me personally, so don't attack me, got it?  BTW, don't quote me again, understand?

No one is attacking you. A black man told you how the whole white dude obsession with BBC makes HIM feel.  

The whole point is to take into account the feelings of the people you're having sex with. If a black man tells you to lay off the BBC thing, then you should.

[Sfmike64]

1 hour ago, Pig4Fucking said:

I imagine many women of Asian derivation have similar feelings about men of all races who reduce them to little sex minxes whose key  purpose in life is to be subservient and sexually pleasing to males.

 

It's exactly the same problem. And for gay Asian men, too I would think.

[Sfmike64]

1 hour ago, ScorpioJones said:

I'm very sorry. I wrote this and posted it without really considering how it sounded. 

 

Don't be. It's an opportunity to learn and grow and change and reconsider. People sometimes LIKE being fetishized but they don't ALWAYS want to be fetishized, and sometimes it gets old. 

[Pig4Fucking]

2 hours ago, Sfmike64 said:

It's exactly the same problem. And for gay Asian men, too I would think.

I don’t believe Asian men are fetishized and if they are then it’s a minimal percentage compared to Asian women.

[DCWildBtm]

3 minutes ago, Pig4Fucking said:

I don’t believe Asian men are fetishized and if they are then it’s a minimal percentage compared to Asian women.

I can't remain silent any more. I respect everyone's opinion but a few points:

1. Asian men are fetishized. I am an Asian man, and I have been fetishized by white guys, black guys, latino guys, and even other Asian guys. So, now you know. Asian men may be subject to fetishes just like any other racial/ethnic group.  Plus, it's not a competition to see which gender is "fetishized" more. If it's a minimal percentage, does it make it okay or right? I only speak for myself, a person who is gay and of East Asian descent but I have run into plenty of guys who fetishized me. Sometimes its harmless, sometimes its admittedly harmful and has made me feel like shit. I've found it to be inappropriate, almost certainly racist, and typically founded from some level of societal privilege. 

2. I love reading profiles that include some form of "No Asians." That's partial truth in that to me its a revelation of the kind of person they are. But, it's also intriguing because I wonder what in their life had led them to the conclusion that writing such a statement is at all appropriate.  And, it's also sarcasm for obvious reasons. And, in a way, "no asians" guys are fetishisizing Asian guys, if you think about it.

3. On one hand, I find it quite funny that someone makes statements on behalf of another racial or ethnic group to which they are seemingly not a member. On the other hand, I find it to be a sad statement on where things stand on race issues in the United States. I've been Asian my entire life. I haven't lived a day of my life as a white man, a black man, a Native American man, etc. I might imagine what a "day in the life" of a man of another racial or ethnic group may be like, but I would never try to state, whether as a belief or a fact, what an actual lived experience has been like for those guys. 

4. To the original poster of this story, I hope that you continue to contribute to BZ, and that this dialogue does not deter you.  I've read what you wrote, and I was taken aback reading the sentence where you used the term "Mandingo." Given the context and your phrasing, I thought to myself, "this guy thinks that black people are less." I am uncertain if your goal was to evoke such a viewpoint from a reader, but I thought I'd share what ran through my head. 

5. Racism exists everywhere on our planet, and although the conversation in this forum (including my comment here) may seem to place people into two camps "white guys" vs. "everyone else," please know that I understand that racism is not unique to any one race or ethnic group. And I'm not condemning the OP or any commenter on this thread.

The TL;DR version? To quote Avenue Q, "We're all a little bit racist." 

Cheers!