BBBxCumDumpster Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 21 hours ago, BlackDude said: One could easily argue the founding fathers were textbook oligarchs and would have zero issue with this I don't think that is easy to argue in the least.
BlackDude Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 (edited) 51 minutes ago, BBBxCumDumpster said: I don't think that is easy to argue in the least. [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1645 [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.voanews.com/amp/usa_all-about-america_todays-democracy-isnt-exactly-what-wealthy-us-founding-fathers-envisioned/6201097.html No, it’s pretty easy. 🤣 Edited October 28 by BlackDude
BBBxCumDumpster Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 5 minutes ago, BlackDude said: [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1645 [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.voanews.com/amp/usa_all-about-america_todays-democracy-isnt-exactly-what-wealthy-us-founding-fathers-envisioned/6201097.html No, it’s pretty easy. 🤣 We obviously have different views on what constitutes 'easy'--as well as what constitutes reductive reasoning.🤔
BBArchangel Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 21 hours ago, PrisonbaiT said: Besides Orange Trump, there is another danger lurking, called Elon Musk. What is he cooking?!🥴🥴🥴🥴 A lot of people think that the muscovite is jockeying for the tax breaks. Me, I think he has something else in mind much bigger. I think he’s laying the groundwork for an eventual presidential run himself with a side step in a high-powered position in the convicted felon’s administration. 1 3
NEDenver Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 52 minutes ago, BBArchangel said: A lot of people think that the muscovite is jockeying for the tax breaks. Me, I think he has something else in mind much bigger. I think he’s laying the groundwork for an eventual presidential run himself with a side step in a high-powered position in the convicted felon’s administration. Except he’s definitely not eligible because of the South African thing. 1
BootmanLA Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 2 hours ago, NEDenver said: Except he’s definitely not eligible because of the South African thing. Correct. There's still some legal debate as to what a "natural born citizen" is (does it mean citizen from birth, as most experts believe, or does it mean citizen born on US soil?). But Musk fits neither definition. Separately, I don't think Musk wants to be president, at least not of this country. It's too much like real work. 1 1 1
Erik62 Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 3 hours ago, BBArchangel said: A lot of people think that the muscovite is jockeying for the tax breaks. Me, I think he has something else in mind much bigger. I think he’s laying the groundwork for an eventual presidential run himself with a side step in a high-powered position in the convicted felon’s administration. I was contemplating Trump winning election but, something happens, to remove him from office & Vance after being groomed to step right in. Either way, I believe that Trump is being used as a fall guy for someone way, way more sinister & disastrous for the United States & the rest of the world. 2 1
NEDenver Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 4 hours ago, BootmanLA said: Correct. There's still some legal debate as to what a "natural born citizen" is (does it mean citizen from birth, as most experts believe, or does it mean citizen born on US soil?). But Musk fits neither definition. Separately, I don't think Musk wants to be president, at least not of this country. It's too much like real work. Originalism would say it means, “Don’t be Alexander Hamilton.”
PozBearWI Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 Elon's positions have always been fluid. He is in favor of whatever is of greatest financial benefit to him. 2
hntnhole Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 On 10/19/2024 at 11:41 PM, brnbk said: The United States is squatting on Indian lands, and is thus a major freeloader I think "major freeloader" is waaaaay too gentle term. The North American Continent was invaded by "pale-faced" people, the first of which were befriended by the Native American peoples. When enough of my forbears had arrived, they proceeded to hunt down, murder or otherwise eradicate the indigenous folks that had lived on this continent for millennia. The few indigenous that managed to escape the wholesale slaughter were rounded up, forced onto what was then deemed "useless" land, and left to fend for themselves, which basically remains the case down to this very day. Of course, that outrage against humanity was followed up with the importation, enslavement of a race of people that has, at certain times, at least been acknowledged and some attempts at amelioration made, with further redress coming mostly from the flapping lips of those who at least give lip-service to the issue. "Freeloader" is far too kind a word to use regarding this eradication of an entire population. 3
hntnhole Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 13 hours ago, Erik62 said: I believe that Trump is being used as a fall guy How interesting .... he's certainly stupid enough to be used by almost anyone of malintent. Do you have any follow-up to offer? For instance, by who/what entity? For what purpose? 1
PozBearWI Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 To be sure the US was formed when global thinking was in "find and conquer" mode. It is clearly recorded in human history how consistently violent our species has proven to be. Does this mean we can seek and choose a more cooperative and peaceful coexistence? Yes, of course we can; and I submit our quarter of a millennia US experiment documents that effort. There is never, ever going to be a time we can change our past. Many will try to forget or make up stories about our past. But our actual path, the story of what actually happened is fact. There is lots of revisionist history, perhaps to try to explain a transition from our innate violence. None of us is solely responsible for our present state. But our present state is something that can be accurately described, and where we can make better if imperfect choices. It won't happen automatically though. Each one of us needs to make that decision of doing "the next right thing". And when most of us chooses that, we seem to do better. 2
BBArchangel Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 17 hours ago, NEDenver said: Except he’s definitely not eligible because of the South African thing. If Trump wins they would have four years to change that.
BBBxCumDumpster Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 2 hours ago, hntnhole said: How interesting .... he's certainly stupid enough to be used by almost anyone of malintent. Do you have any follow-up to offer? For instance, by who/what entity? For what purpose? It could be The Heritage Foundation. Perhaps it's JD Vance, who wrote the foreword for Project 2025, who is the true "Manchurian Candidate," They've even cast Harris as the "communist tart" though Trump is really Putin's concubine. 1 1 2
ffoz Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 The world is watching. The USA & the world DO NOT need TRUMP. (from Australia) 1 1
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