Trump wins bigly, world to end tomorrow...

[TaKinGDeePanal]

23 minutes ago, topblkmale said:

Slavery will be brought back.

slavery never fully went away. 

[hntnhole]

There's one point that needs to be stressed at this regrettable moment:

We cannot allow "the other" to drive us apart.  We do enough of that all by ourselves, for a number of reasons that are not germane to the current issue.  

We must stand together as much as possible, taking part in re-orienting our local governments to the extent possible.  Thus:

1.  Join an LGBT+ political club, attend the meetings, and take part.  If there isn't one, get a few buddies (men and women) together and start one.  Always be positive in outlook.  

2.  Join your local Regular Democratic Organization (meaning no sexual component, just like-minded citizens in your area) and take part.  

3.  Focus on ideas that will have positive results next time around, and spend some of your time taking part.  Personally.  Bring others with you to the meetings.  If you can't find an organization in your area, start one.  Advertise it.  More like-minded folks will start attending the meetings.   

It appears that some of us have a difficult time resisting the temptation to tear down others for their viewpoints, and that may regrettably stroke a thin veneer of self-doubt, but it needs to be turned to good results instead.  If that particular shoe fits, learn to put on a pleasant veneer when it's needed.  Honey catches flies, vinegar doesn't.  Put The Cause ahead of any personal negative issues.  

Preparing for the 2028 election starts now.  Do something.  Forget about judging others for the minutia of their lives with which you don't happen to agree; it's wasting energy that could be better spent.  

When confronted with some issue, by all means get some support from guys that have been in the political soup for decades. When we work together, change will come.  

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[SFCumdog]

It was resoundingly clear last night that the populace had spoken. Unlike Republicans, I still believe in free, fair, honest, safe elections, and always have. To do or say anything other than that makes me no better than our opponents. This was democracy in action, whether we like the results, or not.  Sadly, this win gives them the mandate to govern as they see fit, and they will.

So let's sit back and watch the dust settle, and see if half of what that loudmouth has said will come to fruition. He's got two years to do it, and then with the mid-terms we send them packing and make him a lame duck for the remainder of his term by hemming him in at every fucking turn. We can survive this.  

[pozlvr27]

9 hours ago, PozBearWI said:

OK, Trump won.  Truly sad that the majority didn’t see through his orange veneer.  The man whined himself into the White House and the majority bought it.  Kudos to him for being an effective snake oil sales man.  He isn’t the first and he won’t be the last.

We can of course just choose to give up and take it.  And to some extent we’ve little choice on the taking it part.  Bad stuff is going to happen.  What specifically?  Honest we won’t know until we know.  We’re aware a host of unhappy outcomes will occur.  But do we now just give up and say fuck it?  I hope not....  

It is about time for the economy to shift as it has been on an upward trajectory for a long time, starting with the Obama years.  The expected recession hasn’t happened.  Yet. 

Putting anti vaxxers in charge of healthcare is going to lead to a predictable problem.  One that might make the last pandemic appear weak and rivaling the Black Plague in scope.  How will the MAGA faithful respond to that?

If the economy tanks for the majority, as I think it will, all this is going to change “bigly”.  And rapidly.  The MAGA faithful are a violent bunch and once they realize how they just screwed themselves.  The results of that will be, um, interesting. 

If the orange jesus follows through on his threats and we see comics and politicians thrown in prison, will we cheer him on or rebel? 

If Health coverage is suddenly gone for most, how long will the survivors take it before they rebel?

Locally there have been a shit ton of signs reading “Don’t stop Praying”.  In my head I always append “on your neighbor” to those signs when I read them.  But that shit only goes so far before we have open rebellion, which might be in our future.  

We are entering and “interesting” era….  

 

Senator Rick Scott of Florida has a good chance of being the next Leader of the Senate. Senator Scott has publicly said  he would like to cut   all Social Security benfits a minimum of 20% and to be able to vote on continuing Social Security benefits each year during Budget negotiations. Bottom line for this old man is instead of getting a 2.5% increase next year, I can expect a minimum cut in my monthly income of at least 20%. And I believe I and millions of other Seniors can kiss Medicare a fond farewell. 

[Erik62]

3 hours ago, Infected said:

 This chicken little screaming as if your head was cut off is way too much.  The sun will rise in the east tomorrow and we will all be here to live another day.  Just relax and enjoy life no matter who the President is in the White House.  
 

NOT really possible to relax & enjoy life when your gay adoption, in place for 10-15yrs, is anulled & your children no longer have parents. 

[Erik62]

10 hours ago, hntnhole said:

I think a lot of this tragedy can be laid at our national, original sin - namely, racism, with the accompanying slavery-issue, along with a healthy dose of misogyny.  

There are a lot of pinheads out there that think they deserve everything, merely because they were born Caucasian American.  Not only is Harris a woman, but her blood isn't completely Caucasian. 

I actually thought we'd come a bit further than we apparently have.  

Have we, in the West & the US, actually gone too far & are now seeing significant signs of REVERSE discrimination 🤔🤔?? In Australia, despite our 2023 referendum providing a definitive 69% NO vote, the Federal & State governments continue to ignore the "white" vote whilst they in turn are throwing money at minority groups & illegal immigrants, to the detriment of universal EQUALITY. 

  Maslow’s theory of societies hierarchy, is definitely coming into prominence at a worldwide level. 

[BergenGuy]

59 minutes ago, pozlvr27 said:

Senator Rick Scott of Florida has a good chance of being the next Leader of the Senate. Senator Scott has publicly said  he would like to cut   all Social Security benfits a minimum of 20% and to be able to vote on continuing Social Security benefits each year during Budget negotiations.

He did say that, and then was rapidly, very rapidly, forced to retract it (the typical "I was misunderstood").  Social Security is the third-rail of politics because older people vote at a very high rate.  I suspect that there's a number of things that they'll do first before having the stomach to take on Social Security.

[PozBearWI]

40 minutes ago, BergenGuy said:

He did say that, and then was rapidly, very rapidly, forced to retract it (the typical "I was misunderstood").  Social Security is the third-rail of politics because older people vote at a very high rate.  I suspect that there's a number of things that they'll do first before having the stomach to take on Social Security.

We'll see, but I hope you're right

[PozTalkAuthor]

Some talk about midterm and 2028 but I fear that, if he does what he promises to do, he want to change laws at the point that he remains the president till he breathes. 

Let me say that he is a very determined person; did he manage to remain at the White House from the front door (elections in 2020)? No. He tried forcing it (the assault in 2021 january). He managed that? No - he gradually, slowly, entered from the window. I have not the truth in my pocket but it started from there, when Elon Musk began all his business to acquire Twitter. 

After that in 2022, from this side of the world we resigned to the evidence "Trump will win 2024 elections in a way or another". 

Although this does not mean he forced population to vote. True that Jim Jones has manipulated one thousand people making them poison themselves to death - it's a story I have studied a lot, lately. Not to talk about Rasputin in the old times, or many insane cults there are around. Manipulated people can do whatever their leader asks for.

But in this case, despite misinformation or whatever, we CANNOT SAY that millions of people have been deeply manipulated as it's not just a problem of Donald Trump and his supporters, as I said earlier there are many, many, many figures thinking like him even in European politics and plenty of voters choose him. AfD in Germany for example, that one is a symbol as its leader, Alice Weidel, is a lesbian with a wife and 2 adopted kids, who guides a far-right party. When generally far-right is AGAINST homosexuals' rights. Weidel says her party is the only one protecting Germany's gays and lesbians. In 2025 they have elections. 

Same for Spain, they have Vox -Santiago Abascal- they're against LGBT rights. Failed election this time but after what happened in Valencia and the disasters they have, I have no doubt that far-right is accusing politicians and fragile people who lost everything, find hope in Vox. Time will tell.

We have Argentina's example, we have Hungary... Italy is in same situation where a law declaring surrogate motherhood as "universal crime".

France, they have Marine Le Pen, another woman, another far-right extremist. She is not at the command seat but the risk is high.

Economy is fragile, immigration causes trouble everywhere, unavoidable culture conflicts and usual rich-poor conflicts. Those never die. And when the blanket is short (I talk about money availability) sooner or later someone's ass is uncovered. 

What I fear in all of this? That Trump eliminates all organizations which guarantee human rights. United nations at first. We consider human rights an assumption here in the western (developed) world. But who is the one ensuring and maintaining them? In the reality, NO ONE. We have NO ONE keeping the light on, if we don't take care of the flame it extinguishes. 

[NicNorth]

4 hours ago, hntnhole said:

There's one point that needs to be stressed at this regrettable moment:

We cannot allow "the other" to drive us apart.  We do enough of that all by ourselves, for a number of reasons that are not germane to the current issue.  

We must stand together as much as possible, taking part in re-orienting our local governments to the extent possible.  Thus:

1.  Join an LGBT+ political club, attend the meetings, and take part.  If there isn't one, get a few buddies (men and women) together and start one.  Always be positive in outlook.  

2.  Join your local Regular Democratic Organization (meaning no sexual component, just like-minded citizens in your area) and take part.  

3.  Focus on ideas that will have positive results next time around, and spend some of your time taking part.  Personally.  Bring others with you to the meetings.  If you can't find an organization in your area, start one.  Advertise it.  More like-minded folks will start attending the meetings.   

It appears that some of us have a difficult time resisting the temptation to tear down others for their viewpoints, and that may regrettably stroke a thin veneer of self-doubt, but it needs to be turned to good results instead.  If that particular shoe fits, learn to put on a pleasant veneer when it's needed.  Honey catches flies, vinegar doesn't.  Put The Cause ahead of any personal negative issues.  

Preparing for the 2028 election starts now.  Do something.  Forget about judging others for the minutia of their lives with which you don't happen to agree; it's wasting energy that could be better spent.  

When confronted with some issue, by all means get some support from guys that have been in the political soup for decades. When we work together, change will come.  

While it’s a depressing result once it’s mourned it’s never too early to organise and to keep the dialogue going.  Things will change when those who supported him are persuaded to change their views so important not to demonise his base.

We had a Trump lite in the UK who destroyed himself through his own hubris (Boris Johnson).  Another UK prime minister when asked what will blow his government off course said ‘events dear boy’.  Events and hard creative work will do for him in the long run.  I also agree with those who say education is important.  

In the  mean time we will all have to do what we can to protect what he and his henchmen want to destroy.

 

 

[NicNorth]

My first act of defiance is to close down my Twitter account - had stopped tweeting once Musk had took over anyway.  Not tweeting was such a liberation for me. 

[PozTalkAuthor]

10 minutes ago, NicNorth said:

My first act of defiance is to close down my Twitter account - had stopped tweeting once Musk had took over anyway.  Not tweeting was such a liberation for me. 

me too. Twitter has been a precious "companion" to make me embrace one of my fetishes in 2019 but then it's become worse and worse, then Musk acquired it and has become far-right lounge. 

Despite not labelling myself a "leftist", rather a liberal, I can't rely on someone speaking of "free spech" then letting algorithm guide information on what he wants.

[PozTalkAuthor]

Btw, I have just read Bernie Sander's position which is very close to mine - dems lost because working class feels abandoned. 

[ktopper]

We held a joint meeting of the High Desert Philosophical Society and the local Liars Club (we hold joint meetings because the membership mostly overlaps) in my shop today and now I'm about half drunk. But I have still managed to give some thought to the aftermath of the election. It seems that things are worse than I thought. The ladies on "The View" said that 45% of male Hispanic voters voted for Trump. They attributed this to Hispanic racism toward Blacks. They didn't vote for Kamala because she is Black. Almost a quarter of Black males, they said, voted for Trump because they hold a misogynistic hatred toward women and thus wouldn't vote for Kamala because she is a woman. Fascism, racism, sexism and the patriarchy seems to be spreading, infecting more of our society all the time. I spent my entire working life (now retired) working around Hispanics, Blacks, rednecks, gays, and women and never noticed any of this going on. It always just seemed that no one really gave a damn about your ethnicity, race, gender, or sexual orientation. I reckon I just wasn't very observant. I owe thanks to those ladies on The View for making me aware of these deeply hidden realities.

Damn, what's a guy to do? I think I'll just go ahead and have one more small nip of this mighty fine Courvoisier and then off to bed. Tomorrow I really need to make an effort to get laid. Preferably a hot gay piece of ass but will also settle for some pussy. Maybe that will help me get over the emotional turmoil of this election.

[Erik62]

3 hours ago, PozTalkAuthor said:

Some talk about midterm and 2028 but I fear that, if he does what he promises to do, he want to change laws at the point that he remains the president till he breathes. 

Let me say that he is a very determined person; did he manage to remain at the White House from the front door (elections in 2020)? No. He tried forcing it (the assault in 2021 january). He managed that? No - he gradually, slowly, entered from the window. I have not the truth in my pocket but it started from there, when Elon Musk began all his business to acquire Twitter. 

After that in 2022, from this side of the world we resigned to the evidence "Trump will win 2024 elections in a way or another". 

Although this does not mean he forced population to vote. True that Jim Jones has manipulated one thousand people making them poison themselves to death - it's a story I have studied a lot, lately. Not to talk about Rasputin in the old times, or many insane cults there are around. Manipulated people can do whatever their leader asks for.

But in this case, despite misinformation or whatever, we CANNOT SAY that millions of people have been deeply manipulated as it's not just a problem of Donald Trump and his supporters, as I said earlier there are many, many, many figures thinking like him even in European politics and plenty of voters choose him. AfD in Germany for example, that one is a symbol as its leader, Alice Weidel, is a lesbian with a wife and 2 adopted kids, who guides a far-right party. When generally far-right is AGAINST homosexuals' rights. Weidel says her party is the only one protecting Germany's gays and lesbians. In 2025 they have elections. 

Same for Spain, they have Vox -Santiago Abascal- they're against LGBT rights. Failed election this time but after what happened in Valencia and the disasters they have, I have no doubt that far-right is accusing politicians and fragile people who lost everything, find hope in Vox. Time will tell.

We have Argentina's example, we have Hungary... Italy is in same situation where a law declaring surrogate motherhood as "universal crime".

France, they have Marine Le Pen, another woman, another far-right extremist. She is not at the command seat but the risk is high.

Economy is fragile, immigration causes trouble everywhere, unavoidable culture conflicts and usual rich-poor conflicts. Those never die. And when the blanket is short (I talk about money availability) sooner or later someone's ass is uncovered. 

What I fear in all of this? That Trump eliminates all organizations which guarantee human rights. United nations at first. We consider human rights an assumption here in the western (developed) world. But who is the one ensuring and maintaining them? In the reality, NO ONE. We have NO ONE keeping the light on, if we don't take care of the flame it extinguishes. 

We lost that flame of freedom when we allowed Putin & Netanyahu to exact their fascist & murderous desires on the peace loving people of Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon & the West Bank. These people only wanted national independence & the choice to follow their national rights of international associations & treaties.