Opinion piece

[tallslenderguy]

i was going to put this in the Bigly thread, but see it's been closed.  Despite the frequent forays into snark, i thought there was some descent debate and discussion as well in that thread.  Ah well. Here's  an opinion piece i read this morning. i have not verified it's authenticity, but still have known enough people who have similar thoughts and feelings that i think it's a valid piece from a real person. Here's a partial excerpt with a link to the entire piece. 

"Commentary: I am a Mexican American who voted for Trump. No, I don’t hate myself

I’m a proud, first-generation, college-educated and gay Mexican American with undocumented family in the United States, including a mother who was previously deported to Mexico, and I experienced homelessness as a child. I am everything Democrats claim to support, right?

Wrong.

Democrats have accepted a progressive platform, ignoring decades worth of change and focusing on erroneous issues. They have built campaigns on a foundation of misleading airs and fake vibes.

Voting for Donald Trump does not make me racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic or any other “ist” and “ic” I’ve been called. I, along with more than half of the voting public in America, am sick of the self-righteous and label-obsessed left alienating us over differing opinions.

In her concession speech, Vice President Kamala Harris claimed to have built strong coalitions. What she did was the opposite. She did not motivate enough Black voters, Latino voters, Asian voters, Jewish voters, union voters and female voters to cast their ballots for her. Fewer women voted for Harris than they did Joe Biden, even with abortion being a top issue. To the very end, Harris ignored the data; she ignored what voters needed."

[think before following links] https://www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&segment_id=DY_VTO_NTK_T2&ncid=crm_19908-1202929-20241115-0&bt_user_id=wU8przkQslG8%2BgQgEkTQ7DrYat2QR1cLn%2BDaVmZzxngIqJCvefWqmIQ%2BWVYABQxG&bt_ts=1731673543360

[Alexpdx]

I’m Latino and I’ve always been surprised by the Democratic party’s assumption that we are a reliable liberal demographic.  I’m very liberal personally, but my sense of my culture (Colombian - another bad assumption is that Latinos are a homogeneous group - there are a lot of cultural differences between countries) is that most Latino cultures skew conservative, whether as a response to failed attempts at communism in Latin America or the influence of the Roman Catholic Church. So I agree with the opinion piece to the extent it calls out this blind spot. 
 

What I don’t see this piece do, though, is address some of the genuinely horrific policies espoused by the right wing. It’s easy to point out the flaws in any party - no one has the answer for every problem this country faces. But there is a very real problem associated with the idea of rapidly deporting 1 million people. And ending support for Ukraine or a two state solution in Israel. Or a national abortion ban. Or the disassembly of the administrative state. I think the Trump voters I’ve talked (admittedly very few) seem to gloss over the impact these types of policies will have. I think they think it’s all just bluster. I suppose we’re about to find out. 

[verslut]

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I’m a proud, first-generation, college-educated and gay Mexican American with undocumented family in the United States, including a mother who was previously deported to Mexico

He's clearly rooting for her to be deported again.

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Voting for Donald Trump does not make me racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic or any other “ist” and “ic” I’ve been called. I, along with more than half of the voting public in America, am sick of the self-righteous and label-obsessed left alienating us over differing opinions.

Well you're gonna have to keep being sick of it. Because the ostracization will get worse from now on.

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Seeing my undocumented family members, who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years, work, pay taxes and buy their own homes with zero benefits, then watching millions of new migrants skip the line with government-funded help, only inflamed me and other Latinos like me. 

"My family members skipped the line to immigrate to America, but everyone else is the problem." What a joke, my dad immigrated legally when it was near-impossible for people from his country to get in.

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Compare that to the Republican National Convention, where Trump had everyday people speak about experiences most of us worry about — the cost of groceries, safety, jobs and the border crisis.

Him in three months: "But Trump said suppliers wouldn't change their prices in response to tariffs, even though that's what they did last time. The price increases came out of nowhere!"

How do people get this stupid?

[BootmanLA]

On 11/15/2024 at 7:59 AM, tallslenderguy said:

Voting for Donald Trump does not make me racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic or any other “ist” and “ic” I’ve been called. I, along with more than half of the voting public in America, am sick of the self-righteous and label-obsessed left alienating us over differing opinions.

It may be perfectly true that you are not racist, sexist, misogynistic or homophobic at all. Kudos. But you are clearly not bothered by voting for someone who clearly is racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic. Please tell me what the right adjective is for someone in your circumstance. I don't want to incorrectly label anyone.

[tallslenderguy]

3 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

It may be perfectly true that you are not racist, sexist, misogynistic or homophobic at all. Kudos. But you are clearly not bothered by voting for someone who clearly is racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic. Please tell me what the right adjective is for someone in your circumstance. I don't want to incorrectly label anyone.

You do realize that the stuff in yellow and quotes is an excerpt from an article? The writer is not here to respond. 

[BootmanLA]

1 hour ago, tallslenderguy said:

You do realize that the stuff in yellow and quotes is an excerpt from an article? The writer is not here to respond. 

I do. But the thoughts implied in the quote bear addressing. If someone posted from an article that quoted Terra Cotta Hitler, and I wanted to respond to what the ice cold Cheeto was saying, I would quote Mango Mussolini and reply to it. Since my comment wasn't addressed to you - I have no reason to assume you're a bigot in the slightest - I'm pointing out to everyone the fact that Mr. Non-Bigot (who was cited in the piece you posted) is apparently clueless as to what his vote actually means. Not that he's likely to get the message. Until he's deported in some tragic "oh we didn't realize he was legally here, too bad" comedy of errors.

[BlackDude]

On 11/15/2024 at 5:59 AM, tallslenderguy said:

i was going to put this in the Bigly thread, but see it's been closed.  Despite the frequent forays into snark, i thought there was some descent debate and discussion as well in that thread.  Ah well. Here's  an opinion piece i read this morning. i have not verified it's authenticity, but still have known enough people who have similar thoughts and feelings that i think it's a valid piece from a real person. Here's a partial excerpt with a link to the entire piece. 

"Commentary: I am a Mexican American who voted for Trump. No, I don’t hate myself

I’m a proud, first-generation, college-educated and gay Mexican American with undocumented family in the United States, including a mother who was previously deported to Mexico, and I experienced homelessness as a child. I am everything Democrats claim to support, right?

Wrong.

Democrats have accepted a progressive platform, ignoring decades worth of change and focusing on erroneous issues. They have built campaigns on a foundation of misleading airs and fake vibes.

Voting for Donald Trump does not make me racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic or any other “ist” and “ic” I’ve been called. I, along with more than half of the voting public in America, am sick of the self-righteous and label-obsessed left alienating us over differing opinions.

In her concession speech, Vice President Kamala Harris claimed to have built strong coalitions. What she did was the opposite. She did not motivate enough Black voters, Latino voters, Asian voters, Jewish voters, union voters and female voters to cast their ballots for her. Fewer women voted for Harris than they did Joe Biden, even with abortion being a top issue. To the very end, Harris ignored the data; she ignored what voters needed."

[think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&segment_id=DY_VTO_NTK_T2&ncid=crm_19908-1202929-20241115-0&bt_user_id=wU8przkQslG8%2BgQgEkTQ7DrYat2QR1cLn%2BDaVmZzxngIqJCvefWqmIQ%2BWVYABQxG&bt_ts=1731673543360

I’m calling cap in this voter. Many say one of the reasons of Democrats losses because they focused too much on Latinos and immigration. Harris campaign wasn’t offering vibes to Latino voters. They were offering tangible resources.

I’ve been saying it for years, and I said it on here: most of the races of have experiences come from the Latino and Asian community. And unfortunately, lots of Latinos see the clearest, most pure form of whiteness in the Republican Party. They equate success and prosperity as proximity to whiteness. And unfortunately, as statistics show, they are not wrong.
Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Geraldo Rivera, the list goes on and on.

This may only be surprising to white voters. But everyone else has been saying this for decades: if the Democrats are depending on the flood of Latino voters to vote for them for the next century, they are on a fools errand.

 

 

[gimpsub69]

On 11/15/2024 at 9:08 AM, Alexpdx said:

I’m Latino and I’ve always been surprised by the Democratic party’s assumption that we are a reliable liberal demographic.  I’m very liberal personally, but my sense of my culture (Colombian - another bad assumption is that Latinos are a homogeneous group - there are a lot of cultural differences between countries) is that most Latino cultures skew conservative, whether as a response to failed attempts at communism in Latin America or the influence of the Roman Catholic Church. So I agree with the opinion piece to the extent it calls out this blind spot. 
 

What I don’t see this piece do, though, is address some of the genuinely horrific policies espoused by the right wing. It’s easy to point out the flaws in any party - no one has the answer for every problem this country faces. But there is a very real problem associated with the idea of rapidly deporting 1 million people. And ending support for Ukraine or a two state solution in Israel. Or a national abortion ban. Or the disassembly of the administrative state. I think the Trump voters I’ve talked (admittedly very few) seem to gloss over the impact these types of policies will have. I think they think it’s all just bluster. I suppose we’re about to find out. 

Anything the government does is a slow process and they usually fuck it up. In the 90's Clinton deported illegal immigrants who were being released from prison. This is how ms-13 became a international gang. Obviously that's where you start, most people coming here or doing so for a better life. SCOTUS neutered the unelected beaurcratic dickwads last term by overturning Chevron deference. I've never understood how people like being controlled and governed by unelected beaurcratic dickwads. 

 

Democrats claim to love marginalized communities but as soon as they lose a election those same communities are the first one's they blame and throw under the bus. Calling Latino and black voters misogynistic for not voting for Harris, but not calling it misogyny when Obama was chosen over Hilary or Biden over Harris shows their hypocrisy. Abortion is on the state level now and all 50 states should put it on the ballot box and let the people decide 

[hntnhole]

On 12/6/2024 at 6:46 AM, gimpsub69 said:

I've never understood how people like being controlled and governed by unelected beaurcratic dickwads

Neither have I. 

For instance, the collection of drunks and worse Mr. Trump is attempting to get through the confirmation process.  Or a better example would be the unelected-to-any-political-office-ever, Mr. Musk seemingly taking over the Presidency before that term even begins.  While it's true that the President's acuity is noticeably fading, so too is the  President-elect's lack of ability, showing more and more clearly, day by day.  One wonders what the Cabinet will reflect, if and when that relatively easy task is finally completed.  Hopefully something more than a collection of drunks, grifters, addicts, whoremongers and billionaires.  I wonder just how long the "boy blunder" will be gaveling the circus into (what passes for) order? 

The R's in the House are like a herd of cats; they're running in all directions at once, but at least Hakeem Jeffries is there to prevent the most damaging errors from coming to pass.  If it weren't for the Dems in the House, we'd be in a Government shutdown right now. 

 

[gimpsub69]

2 hours ago, hntnhole said:

Neither have I. 

For instance, the collection of drunks and worse Mr. Trump is attempting to get through the confirmation process.  Or a better example would be the unelected-to-any-political-office-ever, Mr. Musk seemingly taking over the Presidency before that term even begins.  While it's true that the President's acuity is noticeably fading, so too is the  President-elect's lack of ability, showing more and more clearly, day by day.  One wonders what the Cabinet will reflect, if and when that relatively easy task is finally completed.  Hopefully something more than a collection of drunks, grifters, addicts, whoremongers and billionaires.  I wonder just how long the "boy blunder" will be gaveling the circus into (what passes for) order? 

The R's in the House are like a herd of cats; they're running in all directions at once, but at least Hakeem Jeffries is there to prevent the most damaging errors from coming to pass.  If it weren't for the Dems in the House, we'd be in a Government shutdown right now. 

 

The best Christmas gift ever would have been a government shutdown. They gave 2 shits about shutting down this country 4 years ago while they lived by different rules. And let's not act like Gates and Soros haven't had major influence on the democratic party in years past. Musk is just doing it in your face and people don't like it. I was specifically talking about the unelected beaurcratic dickwads who were appointed by POTUS to all the agencies that were able to pass rules through executive orders. Chevron deference ruling stopped that 

[gimpsub69]

11 hours ago, hntnhole said:

Neither have I. 

For instance, the collection of drunks and worse Mr. Trump is attempting to get through the confirmation process.  Or a better example would be the unelected-to-any-political-office-ever, Mr. Musk seemingly taking over the Presidency before that term even begins.  While it's true that the President's acuity is noticeably fading, so too is the  President-elect's lack of ability, showing more and more clearly, day by day.  One wonders what the Cabinet will reflect, if and when that relatively easy task is finally completed.  Hopefully something more than a collection of drunks, grifters, addicts, whoremongers and billionaires.  I wonder just how long the "boy blunder" will be gaveling the circus into (what passes for) order? 

The R's in the House are like a herd of cats; they're running in all directions at once, but at least Hakeem Jeffries is there to prevent the most damaging errors from coming to pass.  If it weren't for the Dems in the House, we'd be in a Government shutdown right now. 

 

The biggest and most realistic threat to democracy is the BEAURCRACY 

[tallslenderguy]

On 12/6/2024 at 3:46 AM, gimpsub69 said:

 I've never understood how people like being controlled and governed by unelected beaurcratic dickwads. 

 

Speaking as a total bottom, it's not really a matter of elected or unelected, it's more about the dickwad.

[phillygwm]

On 11/27/2024 at 12:19 AM, BlackDude said:

This may only be surprising to white voters. But everyone else has been saying this for decades: if the Democrats are depending on the flood of Latino voters to vote for them for the next century, they are on a fools errand.

I have a very close friend who is "off the boat" Cuban.  He emigrated as a child shortly after Castro came to power, bounced around a couple other countries, then landed in the US.  He's much more liberal than I am and likes to think that most Latinos share his view because they grew up in a totalitarian regime.  Perhaps that was once the case but no longer.   For the past ~25 years (generally post-Elian Gonzalez) those once reliable Dems have switched in ever increasing numbers.  Maybe because most are now second or third generation, maybe because they were more anti-leftist than anti-totalitarian.  Maybe other reasons (religion?)

To someone else's point, there are huge differences between Latinos from different countries.  I once dated an Argentine who rarely had kind things to say about Puerto Ricans and Dominicans (actually, he thought himself better than pretty much everyone, but I digress.) 🙂  It's really not much different than saying all white Americans vote en bloc.  I have little in common with whites in the central part of my own state (Pennsyltucky) let alone Mississippi, Wyoming, etc.