"Trump administration purges websites across federal health agencies"

[hntnhole]

20 hours ago, PozBearWI said:

early in life.

What, exactly, do you mean?  Some little kid acts in a "fey" way a few times, and it's electroshock treatments for him? 

Prevent the kid from maturing physically?  What is a "puberty-blocker" - some kind of pill that delays puberty?  Or worse, prevents it?  

[PozBearWI]

Fuck @hntnhole you're going to pull out three words out of a paragraph?  Normally you are prone to misreading so significantly.

The idea of puberty blockers seems like a good idea.  But we won't know the long term consequences until we have long term consequences.  Electroshock and lobotomies we thought to be effective treatments until we learned they weren't.  

How you got that I was advocating electroshock for young gay people is pretty fukken astounding...  Have you not been paying attention to who write what here???

[viking8x6]

3 hours ago, hntnhole said:

What, exactly, do you mean?  Some little kid acts in a "fey" way a few times, and it's electroshock treatments for him? 

Prevent the kid from maturing physically?  What is a "puberty-blocker" - some kind of pill that delays puberty?  Or worse, prevents it?  

So, what is happening now in some cases is that kids who are manifesting signs that they may be trans (acting "fem") are being given puberty blockers - yes, Virginia, that's a pill that prevents the onset of puberty while you take it - so that they have a bit more time to decide/understand whether they are really trans or it's just a phase, before puberty kicks in and causes their body to manifest the characteristics of a particular adult sex.

@PozBearWI is saying that this may be just as barbaric as electroshock treatments. Although those, too, are useful in certain cases.

[Erik62]

On 2/12/2025 at 9:16 AM, PozBearWI said:

And while accepting and supporting of each other, we don't have to pick "the" solution.  For example, I am concerned about the use of some medical intervention early in life.  I'm uncertain puberty blockers will in the long run not be viewed as we view electroshock therapy or lobotomies 50 years from now.  

🤔🧐🫡 Children, must be protected at ALL costs & if you are not considered responsible enough to drink or drive, how can we possibly consider allowing children to have such power over the biggest life changing event of their lives. 

Let them live their chosen lifestyle but, leave such dangerous decisions until they are mentally mature enough to be reasonably safe in their final decision. 

[Erik62]

On 2/12/2025 at 9:16 AM, PozBearWI said:

And while accepting and supporting of each other, we don't have to pick "the" solution.  For example, I am concerned about the use of some medical intervention early in life.  I'm uncertain puberty blockers will in the long run not be viewed as we view electroshock therapy or lobotomies 50 years from now.  

There is NO SOLUTION to the minefield of sex change ethics. 

All we can do is advise, guide, encourage & PROTECT those children who find themselves sinkinking in a morass of personal conflict, loneliness, disjointed separation, community standards & parental/peer pressures. 

IF we, as communities can at least keep these children in a relatively stable environment until they are of a sufficient mental competency to be able to make & live with, without regret, such extreme biological changes. 

[PozBearWI]

I'm not sure there is "no solution".  Rather I think there are a variety of solutions, but one size doesn't nor should fit all.  

[Erik62]

2 minutes ago, PozBearWI said:

I'm not sure there is "no solution".  Rather I think there are a variety of solutions, but one size doesn't nor should fit all.  

Unfortuneately, their will always be a person who is looking at the pennies. Even money spent won't be a solution because someone else will divert (fraudulently) funds to another scheme of their making. 

  There IS a solution but, THAT SOLUTION must navigate through hypocrisy, self-interest & simple SHEER GREED. 

[PozBearWI]

I can't speak for how things will unfold down under.  Here in the US there are multiple solutions, not just one.  I would not cry if muskrat got offed, but I suspect that isn't going to happen.  I think with our gun crazed population (well some of our population) gun violence seems inevitable.  

Greed, we're somewhat repeating the US in the 1880's and 1890's, the so called golden age.  

[NWUSHorny]

I'm extremely reticent to think that a puberty blocker would be a good idea. The brain changes a lot during puberty, and not allowing those changes is potentially more damaging than allowing them.

[hntnhole]

22 hours ago, viking8x6 said:

So, what is happening now in some cases is that kids who are manifesting signs that they may be trans (acting "fem") are being given puberty blockers - yes, Virginia, that's a pill that prevents the onset of puberty while you take it - so that they have a bit more time to decide/understand whether they are really trans or it's just a phase, before puberty kicks in and causes their body to manifest the characteristics of a particular adult sex.

Thanks for that explanation.  I'd be surprised if merely acting in a "fem" way would equate with potentially trans identification, but that's just my own perception.  I can remember plenty of non-butch guys in school as I was growing up, but as best as I can remember, switching gender identities wasn't even heard of.  Doesn't a person have to be at least of legal age to make a decision like changing their gender-identity?  Is this issue common these days?  

Maybe kids today do have that - well - opportunity?  If that's the case, then giving them a pill so they could have the chance to - reassess - would be a good thing.  

[viking8x6]

1 hour ago, hntnhole said:

I'd be surprised if merely acting in a "fem" way would equate with potentially trans identification, but that's just my own perception.

My parenthetical there was intended tongue-in-cheek (as a reference to 'acting "fey"' above).

1 hour ago, hntnhole said:

Doesn't a person have to be at least of legal age to make a decision like changing their gender-identity?  Is this issue common these days?

Consider that we have no way of knowing what gender identity they should be assigned at birth... so it's less a question of changing their gender identity than of recognizing what it is in the first place. And no, it's not common these days - it's estimated as well under 1% of people.

[viking8x6]

Here's a link to a Washington Post article about gender transition supporting healthcare in youth:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/12/03/gender-trans-hormones-kids-health/

[hntnhole]

Thanks - that was an illuminating article .... It's always a good day when we learn something we didn't know the day before !

[BlueSaphir]

On 2/13/2025 at 6:29 AM, Erik62 said:

There is NO SOLUTION to the minefield of sex change ethics. 

All we can do is advise, guide, encourage & PROTECT those children who find themselves sinkinking in a morass of personal conflict, loneliness, disjointed separation, community standards & parental/peer pressures. 

IF we, as communities can at least keep these children in a relatively stable environment until they are of a sufficient mental competency to be able to make & live with, without regret, such extreme biological changes. 

If I had my chance to have a sex change during 8-10 years old mark. I wouldn’t regret it with now having major set backs to change my sex. It not fair to paint all children as if they don’t know what’s is best for them all because of their young age. 
 

Nope, I had parent who are highly conservative. Not open. Lack knowledge how unhappy I was during my childhood years. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:33 AM by BlueSaphir

[Erik62]

1 hour ago, BlueSaphir said:

If I had my chance to have a sex change during 8-10 years old mark. I wouldn’t regret it with now having major set backs to change my sex. It not fair to paint all children as if they don’t know what’s is best for them all because of their young age. 
 

Nope, I had parent who are highly conservative. Not open. Lack knowledge how unhappy I was during my childhood years. 

Devils Advocate 👿!!! Are you absolutely 💯% sure that HINDSIGHT is NOT playing a part in this declaration.