Trump the Dom?

[tallslenderguy]

i've been thinking of this for awhile, thought i'd throw it out for discussion. This is a little tongue-in-cheek, and a little serious too. To me, Trump qualifies as a type of dom.  Not one i measure as attractive or my idea of an intelligent dom, but to me he has the energy and nature of a dom person. 

What i have wondered is weather this, in part, played a part in his election?  Simply put, i wonder how many people with sub type natures voted for him because they were somewhat dommed by him, and possibly some with dom wiring related to him on some level?  

i also have my bowl of popcorn waiting for the outcome of Trump choosing Musk, also another guy who strikes me as have dom wiring, because both also seem to have alpha aspirations.  In a sense, both have realized those aspirations and continue to pursue higher heights. 

This is of course all just fun speculation. i do think dom/sub is part of human nature though, and have long seen it in Trump, but just recently considered how that may have been reflected in the voter population. 

[hntnhole]

2 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

Trump qualifies as a type of dom

Well, splendid boy - if you'll allow me .....  

No.  Trump is hardly a Dom (as I know the descriptor).  He's completely unfamiliar with any kind of life-structure, and infused with incurable weakness - which he has come to believe he can overcome by heaping more abuse on others than anyone else.  

A "Dominant" man, as we BZ'er's use that term, has character, has attained self-knowledge.  He's confident in his intellectual abilities, and he's compassionate enough to help others that are less so.  A real Dom does not take pleasure in degrading others, he does not steal from others, he is a genuine man.  The current president possesses none of those characteristics.  In fact, he's the opposite. 

That sad creature is still trying to fool the world into believing that he's not a wuss - not an intellectual dwarf - not a total pussy.  And millions have swallowed his line of bullshit, and actually don't see through the thin, opaque veil he's wrapped himself in.  

If he thought he could, he'd be at the center of of all the action lately - firing everyone he can think of personally.  He wouldn't need the muskrat to rake all this muck, if he had the wherewithal to do it himself. 

He's nothing but a quivering mass of self-doubt, and as far from being a true Dom as it gets.  

[NWUSHorny]

I think it is a factor and a big factor in why so many blue collar types voted for him. I long ago recognized that his leadership style is strikingly similar to that of many labor union leaders, as well as politicians in tightly controlled jurisdictions. I've simply never seen it work to the extent he has succeeded at the federal level before. I can't say I understand it, since he has almost as much finesse as the fictional Boss Hogg. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:48 PM by NWUSHorny

[tallslenderguy]

34 minutes ago, hntnhole said:

 

No.  Trump is hardly a Dom (as I know the descriptor).  He's completely unfamiliar with any kind of life-structure, and infused with incurable weakness - which he has come to believe he can overcome by heaping more abuse on others than anyone else.  

A "Dominant" man, as we BZ'er's use that term, has character, has attained self-knowledge.  He's confident in his intellectual abilities, and he's compassionate enough to help others that are less so.  A real Dom does not take pleasure in degrading others, he does not steal from others, he is a genuine man.  The current president possesses none of those characteristics.  In fact, he's the opposite. 

That sad creature is still trying to fool the world into believing that he's not a wuss - not an intellectual dwarf - not a total pussy.  And millions have swallowed his line of bullshit, and actually don't see through the thin, opaque veil he's wrapped himself in.  

If he thought he could, he'd be at the center of of all the action lately - firing everyone he can think of personally.  He wouldn't need the muskrat to rake all this muck, if he had the wherewithal to do it himself. 

He's nothing but a quivering mass of self-doubt, and as far from being a true Dom as it gets.  

Yes, to all of the above, i think this is well put and explained.

To me, Trump is an example of a person with a dom nature who hasn't developed or matured.  He's a quintessential bully, stunted. i think that there  are many like him, both sub and dom and all the infinite variations on the human spectrum, who respond to the illusion of strength and confidence because they relate or something of their own stunted nature is sparked on an unconscious level.  Not a universal thing that can be applied to all, but thinking it could be a factor for some. 

i count myself as having a sub side to my nature, but have encountered more than a few guys identifying as "dom" who would disagree because i did not respond as they wished or expected.  

As a kid, i attracted plethora bullies until i learned how to not present as a faggot. Retrospectively, i realize i was pretty sub in my nature and presentation as kid. i believe attributes like dom, sub, etc.,  are wired in, part of ones nature.  What one does with what they have can be worlds apart. i've also come to believe that some of those bullies were probably guys that simply did not know how to deal with their own nature, who did not trod the path of attaining self-knowledge and developing attributes  like character or compassion.  

[BlueSaphir]

Dom? He’s definitely highly ugly and out of shape. 

[PozBearWI]

Trump is Vlad's bitch!  He is the opposite of Dom.

[Poz50something]

Have you actually seen the recent photo of (F) Elon and sub bottom Donny? The energy Your felon in chief is giving is anything but dominant…it’s giving first wife energy. 

[PhoenixTriad]

I believe he's more of a stinky crusty used old cum towel that's been thrown behind a commode in a dank old smelly public toilet "cottage". Certainly not a Dom in any way.

[hntnhole]

1 hour ago, Poz50something said:

it’s giving first wife energy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...... Absolutely perfect !!! 

Thanks for the belly laugh (or, what passes for a belly, anyway ...)

(and did you notice when that clip was broadcast, how the pussy was "dommed" by the little kid?  The kid started to look at Plumpie, walked to the corner of the desk, and the pussy/wife turned his head away .... wussed out by a toddler)

Edited Wednesday at 08:56 PM by hntnhole

[tallslenderguy]

Damn, did i write "dom?"  i meant to write "dumb".  Never mind. 

[tallslenderguy]

i think i must have done a poor job explaining my thoughts, some almost seem to take umbrage at the suggestion. i get that, because i know many here revere Dom's.   

i see the desires that come along with being dom, or sub for that matter, are naturally wired in. i don't think someone just chooses to have those desires, though i think they can be refined, modified, etc.. To me, guys like Trump and Musk are good examples of what happens to a person with dom wiring when they don't develop or mature. i don't think having dom or sub wiring automatically confers respectable attributes or that the person possessing that nature is intrinsically good or bad. 

On the other hand, i get that there are those who don't see Trump or Elon as "dom." Honestly, they are not my idea of "dom" either. Sort of like a bird that never learned how to fly isn't much of a bird. i was looking at this as nuanced. 

Edited Thursday at 02:46 AM by tallslenderguy

[hntnhole]

16 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

i don't think having dom or sub wiring automatically confers respectable attributes

Of course not  - you're entirely correct, as usual.  There are plenty of each that also hold unattractive qualities as well.  D/s orientation, in and of itself, only carries one meaning, and there are plenty of other characteristics that make up the 'whole' man.  But you've known that for a long time ... 

 

16 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

i think i must have done a poor job explaining my thoughts

Hardly.  You're one of the most thoughtful, cogent writers on here; I hope they pay you well enough for your contributions.  <I know, I know .... grin>

16 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

to take umbrage

It's not at you, tallslenderguy .... you're one of the best contributors on BZ.  It's nothing more than reaction at the notion that the current resident of the WH could possibly reflect any of the attributes of a Dom.  

[PozBearWI]

Indeed, one attribute doesn't automagically confer other attributes.  Each of us has a number of talents, attributes, faults, shortcomings.  But each stands alone.  Smart doesn't mean one is thoughtful or thoughtless. There are great looking liars and ugly liars.  

Thanks @hntnhole @tallslenderguy we seem to be thinking along the same line.  

 

[NWUSHorny]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not read a sexual context into your original question. 

Trump learned long ago how to very intentionally manipulate those that do not want to figure things out or lead themselves. In that respect he is dominate. He is not dominant to those of us who are naturally independent, and only accept leadership from those that have earned respect based on their past natural actions. In the second situation Trump is one of the least dominate leaders to ever emerge, but still unbelievably, at least to me, caple of leading those that merely want someone to show them the way, down the primrose path.

Edited Thursday at 07:27 PM by NWUSHorny

[BootmanLA]

There's an old saying that Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man - that is, lots of shit covered in gold plating and ostentatious as all fuck but with almost nothing to back it up. For most of his adult life he was borderline bankrupt, if not actually so, and only with a few major cash infusions later in life (his inheritance/bailouts from his father, the Apprentice paychecks, the incessant grift his campaigns have funneled into his pockets) was he able to avoid losing everything.

The same sort of thing is true, I think, for considering Trump "dominant". A bunch of fucking yahoo idiots in Shithole, TX and Bumfuck, AL and Moronville, Idaho saw him pretend to be authoritative and decisive on "The Apprentice" (while he was actually following a script in rented office space designed to make him look powerful), and decided that he actually WAS that kind of person - instead of the "fold like a paper napkin" guy he is when confronted with actual dominance. He's a dumbass working-class nobody's idea of a dom.