Iran/Israel/US discussion

[viking8x6]

Thank you for this. I think. 
 

21 minutes ago, nanana said:

Overview: 

- I think this is the most comprehensive article on the dubious value of the alliance with Israel: [think before following links] https://www.unz.com/factcheck/factcheck-how-israel-killed-the-kennedys/ (BTW, if you are inclined to assess the anti-semitic versus anti-Zionist quotient of this article, you should be or become aware that the author is Jewish.)

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I think with this information you could certainly argue against my hypotheses and assertions that the Israeli alliance is bad news, but you cannot argue that there are no facts supporting it.  

Just to be clear, I wasn't, with my first response to your post, intending to call you out; my intention was only to respond to your addressing the "censorship board".

 

That said: The AI fact-checking is... excessively verbose and not really all that helpful IMO. But from that plus what I can glean in there of the original source being fact-checked, I'd rate the hypothesis that Israel/Mossad was responsible for the Kennedy assassinations as "one plausible theory among many", and not so much as "factual". 

 

However, my personal opinion is that you're completely correct about the current state of US-Israel relations vis-a-vis Middle Eastern politics and current conflicts is, indeed, problematic. I'm certainly not antisemitic, and from my understanding of it I wouldn't even say I'm anti-Zionist, but handsome is as handsome does. 

 

[nanana]

I  very much like the "one plausible hypothesis among many" designation.  It's just my job to come up with what I  think and what I act on, it's not my job to come up with what anyone else thinks and what they act on, and I  am not seeking that responsibility.  A long time ago, I  helped a lady at church install a phone line in her house, and she said something very memorable: "God told us not to judge, but he didn't tell us we had to be stupid."  It got a great chuckle out of me but pointed to a more important truth. In her parlance, I would count myself as stupid at some point if I  allowed myself to be paralyzed by the unknowables in my efforts to act in a way that aligns to my values.  It's not necessary to marshall a long and extensive fact base that includes quotes from people with unknown motives to know that I oppose genocide, assassination, war, people lying to the races, whipping up tribal hatred, misattribution of motives, defense of my loved ones, peace, and prosperity.  It's just incumbent upon me to know how to navigate the collection of people who react differently to shared and unshared input.  That is fucking complex, so definitely not trying to do others' sense-making for them.  

[PozBearWI]

Adding to that @nanana there is value in questioning the status quo.  

Given what the first few months have been like, I am concerned that other national leaders are going to exploit 47's weak points.   Netty certainly appears to be.  

[hntnhole]

1 hour ago, PozBearWI said:

 Netty certainly appears to be

He's built a career in exploiting the (assumed) "weak spots" of other nation's leaders.  But, as the old saying goes, flattery will get some folks everywhere.  Of course, that's only if the flatter-ee is susceptible to being flattered in the first place.  In the US, that susceptibility is world-renown by now.  What I wonder is, how deeply the EU leaders stooped to it.  

 

[PozBearWI]

@hntnhole time will tell...