Venezuela

[rawfuckingonly]

On 10/27/2025 at 2:50 PM, NWUSHorny said:

Donnie doesn't play 3D chess, he cheats at Chutes and Ladders knocking the board over if he doesn't get his way. That said there is a good chance that some of his Den of Thieves advisors have told him he might be able to capture some of all of the Venezuela oil reserves, and he is trying to provide a way to keep the spoils.

Uh huh. Sure. Another "whatifism" 

[tobetrained]

A good Sunday morning read.

[think before following links] https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/01/04/us-venezuela-maduro-predictions-analysis-00710030

Lots of different perspectives across a wide range of political views. 

[hntnhole]

On 10/28/2025 at 7:21 PM, Pozzible said:

Spcing

LOL .... perfectly done 😉

[hntnhole]

While we (meaning the US) doesn't know all that much yet, it appears that the majority of oil reserves in Venezuela are quite heavy, dense, underground oil fields, as oppose to those in the Middle East, which are lighter, less "dense" crude.  

It doesn't sound to me like Venezuela possesses the infrastructure to refine that heavy crude, at least to the extent that would make it a rather profitable expenditure of State funds.  So, what is the US going to do with the Venezuelan oilfields?  A certain someone hates to wait for his gratification, like most infants, he wants it now, and even he knows he won't live much longer. 

So what's the point of all this mess?  Yes, there are drug-runners in Venezuela, just like there are drug-runners in numerous countries in this hemisphere.  However, as any high school level economics student knows, shutting down one country's drug-running efforts just moves the action so some other country.  I wonder just how crucial to this folly the issue of "drug-running" really is.  The issue of taking a country-full of heavy crude, still in the ground seems unworthy of all this sturm und drang,  The issue of shutting down a source of illegal drugs coming into the US seems equally questionable.  

It's also possible that dividing the globe up into hemispherical "spheres of interest" could be the crux of the issue, in which case the Greenlanders (as well as the Taiwanese) need to figure out other sources of support, at least potential sources.  

 

[NWUSHorny]

6 minutes ago, hntnhole said:

So what's the point of all this mess?  Yes, there are drug-runners in Venezuela, just like there are drug-runners in numerous countries in this hemisphere.  However, as any high school level economics student knows, shutting down one country's drug-running efforts just moves the action so some other country.  I wonder just how crucial to this folly the issue of "drug-running" really is.  The issue of taking a country-full of heavy crude, still in the ground seems unworthy of all this sturm und drang,  The issue of shutting down a source of illegal drugs coming into the US seems equally questionable.  

That is a major issue with his economic policy in general. He sees economics as a zero sum game, he understands extracting wealth by extracting mineral wealth, but has never had a clue how to create wealth be converting natural resources into utile commodities, products and sefvices. The only part he understands economically is the extraction.

[PozBearWI]

I don't think economics matter.  It it I think to distract us from his Epstein enterprise.  I suspect Donnie was actually the ringleader.  

[Erik62]

6 hours ago, hntnhole said:

While we (meaning the US) doesn't know all that much yet, it appears that the majority of oil reserves in Venezuela are quite heavy, dense, underground oil fields, as oppose to those in the Middle East, which are lighter, less "dense" crude.  

It doesn't sound to me like Venezuela possesses the infrastructure to refine that heavy crude, at least to the extent that would make it a rather profitable expenditure of State funds.  So, what is the US going to do with the Venezuelan oilfields?  A certain someone hates to wait for his gratification, like most infants, he wants it now, and even he knows he won't live much longer. 

So what's the point of all this mess?  Yes, there are drug-runners in Venezuela, just like there are drug-runners in numerous countries in this hemisphere.  However, as any high school level economics student knows, shutting down one country's drug-running efforts just moves the action so some other country.  I wonder just how crucial to this folly the issue of "drug-running" really is.  The issue of taking a country-full of heavy crude, still in the ground seems unworthy of all this sturm und drang,  The issue of shutting down a source of illegal drugs coming into the US seems equally questionable.  

It's also possible that dividing the globe up into hemispherical "spheres of interest" could be the crux of the issue, in which case the Greenlanders (as well as the Taiwanese) need to figure out other sources of support, at least potential sources.  

 

His drug supply excuses do fall short when he has recently PARDONED a cartel head who was convicted & sentenced to 40yrs. It would appear that he is just a "Nasty little boy pissed off that he didn't receive the most expensive Christmas present". It just gauls me that Trump, Netanyahu & Putin are still running around, being allowed to cause chaos & NOBODY has yet even tried to "kidnap" any of them. Kidnapping might be a too soft solution 😂😂😂😂. 

[tallslenderguy]

For me, Venezuela serves as good of example as any to illustrate what is wrong with/about leadership/governments around the world.  As i see it, trump, putin, xi jinping, are birds of a feather. It would not surprise me if we as the proverbial 'fly on the wall' were to discover a form of collusion when they meet with each other. i think trump demonstrated from the start that he was fine with putin having Ukraine.   i suspect trump would do little other than token to push back against jinping if he goes for Taiwan.  The collusion?  trump gets Iceland, or Venezuela or_________, as he references the Monroe Doctrine.  

People like Maduro, Kim Jong Un, and a boatload of other despots/despot wannabes, to me are cut from the same cloth as the above three, just lacking the same resources to bully on such a large scale as they. 

They all have common traits though, none of them demonstrate any care for people, none of them are trust worthy.  Each seems to be glaringly emotionally stunted when it comes to simple things like kindness, generosity... attributes that seem necessary if one is to be dogged about the governance of "promoting the general welfare."  

We often see the term "strong man" bandied about when referencing this type of person. A couple of months ago, i started a thread suggesting that trump saw himself as an "alpha."  i loved  many of the responses, particularly from the Alphas among us, eschewing even the notion that trump is alpha. And yet, it only takes a few minutes of listening to realize that many of trumps sycophants and followers see him as such.  To me, some of them are also emotionally stunted, the schoolyard kids who became part of a bullies gang for fear of being one of his victims.  Others are simply people who wanted change from the status quo (understandably) and trusted the lies of one who repeatedly demonstrates he is unworthy of trust. 

i think our country is squandering our might.  We truly have opportunities to promote good will.  To me, governments can be (way too broadly) classified into two categories: progressive or regressive.  Right now, the largest, strongest nations of the world (in my opinion), have gone the direction of regressive. China, Russia, and the US does not have governments "of the people, by the people, for the people," and they threaten to take the whole world down with them because they care only for themselves and never matured to a level that looks to care for humanity as a group. 

i know, there is no simple answer. People are diverse, we disagree on the how or why of so many things.  These guys have resources, and their methods are exhausting. One of their primary methods is to divide us, and they do a great job of it. Do a little investigating into the extensive propaganda machine in China, for instance, and you will learn they do not care who is in power during elections, their primary goal is to destabilize by dividing us. We know that, hello Tic Tok.  As long as we can be isolated and divided us, we can be conquered.  Our wishes will not be represented and our freedoms will diminish unless we refuse to be divided and band together and fight back. i think banding together is key, because alone, we simply do not have the power to resist, and stave off exhaustion.  

sorry...for the long ramble. 

[hntnhole]

16 hours ago, Erik62 said:

Kidnapping might be a too soft solution

Well, I definitely agree .... but then he's just an overgrown "kid/spoiled little brat" in the first place.  

[tallslenderguy]

9 minutes ago, hntnhole said:

Well, I definitely agree .... but then he's just an overgrown "kid/spoiled little brat" in the first place.  

Maybe daycare would be more appropriate.

[NWUSHorny]

5 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

Maybe daycare would be more appropriate.

In a secure facility without access to social media.

[tallslenderguy]

1 minute ago, NWUSHorny said:

In a secure facility without access to social media.

Yeah... an insane asylum perhaps, in a place where he cannot harm others, even in the facility. 

[hntnhole]

13 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

trump, putin, xi jinping, are birds of a feather. I

I appreciate the nod to a traditional phrase, but I think cockroaches would be more accurate.  

15 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

as he references the Monroe Doctrine.

His Corpulence wouldn't know the Monroe Doctrine if it walked up and kicked him in that huge mass of blubber, a.k.a. his ass.  

 

18 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

"promoting the general welfare."

Since ^ is the farthest thing from what passes for his mind, His Corpulence couldn't possibly care less.  There's no such thing as satisfying his ego.

23 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

suggesting that trump saw himself as an "alpha."  i loved  many of the responses, particularly from the Alphas among us, eschewing even the notion that trump is alpha. And yet, it only takes a few minutes of listening to realize that many of trumps sycophants and followers see him as such.

Trump thinks he's an Alpha ????  He's barely on the scale at the Omega position, and hanging onto that with all his greasy fingernails.

That's why his "cabinet" is jam-packed with worthless syncophants;  Anyone with any shred of ability wouldn't service his breathtaking need for lip service.  

30 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

Our wishes will not be represented and our freedoms will diminish unless we refuse to be divided and band together and fight back. i think banding together is key, because alone, we simply do not have the power to resist, and stave off exhaustion.  

That's how we'll survive, if we survive this morass we're in.  The current situation - worldwide - is fraught with tremendous problems, but there are ways we can a) fight back, and b) push these cretins back into their baby cribs.  

Thanks for sharing your most estimable view, tallslenderboy.  

[Pozzible]

On 1/4/2026 at 12:10 PM, hntnhole said:

LOL .... perfectly done 😉

Maybe one day, I’ll remember to start proofreading before posting. Today is not that day. 🤷‍♂️

[Pozzible]

On 1/5/2026 at 3:06 PM, hntnhole said:

Yes, there are drug-runners in Venezuela, just like there are drug-runners in numerous countries in this hemisphere

But Venezuelan drugs aren’t coming to the US in any significant quantity. Venezuela’s drug export is mostly cocaine heading to Europe. (And the US seems to think coke is passé.

 

On 1/5/2026 at 3:06 PM, hntnhole said:

While we (meaning the US) doesn't know all that much yet, it appears that the majority of oil reserves in Venezuela are quite heavy, dense, underground oil fields, as oppose to those in the Middle East, which are lighter, less "dense" crude.  

It doesn't sound to me like Venezuela possesses the infrastructure to refine that heavy crude, at least to the extent that would make it a rather profitable expenditure of State funds.  So, what is the US going to do with the Venezuelan oilfields?  A certain someone hates to wait for his gratification, like most infants, he wants it now, and even he knows he won't live much longer. 

His “Corpulence” (as you call him 🤣) hasn’t a clue about how the oil industry works. Even if the oil could be pumped out tomorrow, it wouldn’t help the US. Oil prices would collapse if Venezuelan oil (our oil now, supposedly) were to flood the market.US oil executives would be irate, and Mohammed bin Salman has an affinity for dismembering those who cross him.

 

23 hours ago, PozBearWI said:

I don't think economics matter.  It it I think to distract us from his Epstein enterprise.  I suspect Donnie was actually the ringleader. 

Good point. But I seriously doubt that Donnie was the ringleader. He likely asked Stephen Miller how to brush the Epstein files off the headlines. Donnie can’t think of these things himself. He’s to busy building his ballroom and putting his name on places it doesn’t belong. 
 

19 hours ago, Erik62 said:

It just gauls me that Trump, Netanyahu & Putin are still running around, being allowed to cause chaos & NOBODY has yet even tried to "kidnap" any of them. Kidnapping might be a too soft solution 😂😂😂😂. 

Amen!

3 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

The collusion?  trump gets Iceland, or Venezuela or_________, as he references the Monroe Doctrine.  

Is Iceland on the To Do list now? I can’t keep up.

3 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

China, Russia, and the US does not have governments "of the people, by the people, for the people," and they threaten to take the whole world down with them because they care only for themselves and never matured to a level that looks to care for humanity as a group. 

🤬
 

2 hours ago, hntnhole said:

That's how we'll survive, if we survive this morass we're in.  The current situation - worldwide - is fraught with tremendous problems, but there are ways we can a) fight back, and b) push these cretins back into their baby cribs. 

That gives me a bit of hope, but what are those ways?

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My thoughts:

Putin now has the perfect justification for capturing Zelensky.

Marco was probably pushing this action. He’d love to cut off Cuba’s access to Venezuela’s oil.

As the Olympics committee banned Russia from competition, it should do the same to the US. (But I really want to watch Ilya win his gold!)