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@ellentonboy - No, not at all. Nostr is not taking over sites. Most site owners (including me) would want to use Nostr to drive traffic to their sites. So "teasers" will be put on Nostr, but the meat of the content stays on the website, not on Nostr. It'll work like Twitter works now. Models have their real content on one of the fans sites, and the have teasers on Twitter to get people to go to the fans site. Here are some examples of what I might post on Nostr: Today's most active topic on Breeding Zone: "Some thread title" + a link to the thread Today's top user on Breeding Zone was SomeUser + a link to their profile page on BZ Some one from Chicago just liked this pic… 🌇 + a link to the page where they can see all the pics from that scene. [If a user marks their sex party page as public and not requiring a login] A 33 y.o. cumdump is taking all loads tonight at 6pm in the Gay Village, Montréal + a link to their party page + a geotag so random people can see it If I know your profile on Nostr I can do the following… All you pigs please give a warm, cummy welcome to @SomeUser. It's his first day on Nostr! He's into #bareback #DOMsub #electro @SomeUser just fav'd this pic… 🌉 + a link to see more Anyone in Montréal need a hole to blow a load in tonight? @SomeUser is taking loads in the Gay Vilage…+ a link to their party page + a geotag so random people can see it The point of that is to give your profile some publicity and build the number of followers you have. Don't want that? Then don't tell me your Nostr ID… Most people won't, but if you trust me with your private key (or give me a "delegated" private key that's good for a period of time), I can do posts to your account and then repost them on my account… Love that gaping hole! 🎆 + a link to a page where they can see more Who wants to breed me tonight in Montréal? #NoLoadRefused! + a link to your party page An intermediate option would be that I monitor your posts for particular hashtags, and if I see one then I repost what you posted. That won't require your private key. Most of that will use data from my new sites, not this one. When you set up profiles on the new sites you'll be able to mark their level of privacy… Public - search engine inclusion OK Public - request search engine to NOT index the page Member's only (people must be signed in to see it) Disabled (if you're taking a break for a while) Basically if you don't want a search engine to index something I'll take similar precautions on Nostr. s3x.social is a separate site which is very minimally integrated with this one (you can login with your BZ user name and password). It will help people get set up on Nostr, find other people to follow, etc. If you don't want to be on Nostr or don't want what you do on Nostr connected to anything on one of my sites then don't sign up with s3x_SOCIAL.

@ErosWired - you're thinking the way I did early on in the process. Take a look at an early version of the vocabulary… https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/issues/315#issuecomment-1507231220 The issue is right now there's just a free-form text field to report things. It's completely useless. BUT you have to keep things really simple for the end-user - so you can't go all the way in the other direction and overwhelm them with options and nuance. If you look at the big picture of 68 and 69 you'll see (semi-)professional moderators can be far more detailed in their reports. There's `degree` which let them rank things within a category defined by the vocabulary. They just need tools that will let them submit with that much detail. The end-user apps will never do that because they need to be simple. In terms of erotica intended to arouse? Some is and some isn't. There's erotica on FB & Insta - I didn't want to lump that in with "pornography". That means in practice we may see people differentiating between softcore porn (meant to arouse) and forms of erotica like burlesque (not meant to arouse). Again with IL - can't have too many categories to maintain a good UX. More regional issues are handled by the `X-MOD` vocabulary. There's no way in hell I could spell all of those out. And as far as "in the eye of the beholder" issues - that's OK. Remember that ultimately these reports will be used by people who think like the moderator (since you pick your own moderators). Relays will just pay attention to the illegal stuff (IL) and categories of interest to their user base. In terms of how I'll use all of that here… I'll let people give their opinions. Then I'll focus on what established members with a good reputation think, average that and if there's not too much variation issue a moderation report that reflects the thinking of our site's community of users.

You'll see file attach icons in all the major client apps. When you use that it sends your pic or video off to an image server which returns a URL that gets embedded in the post. So it's as seamless as using Twitter. It's just not hosted by the same service that does the user interface. I believe Iris only uses Nostr.build for images, while Snort lets you pick your image service and has like 4 or 5 to choose from. When I joined back in February things were more primitive and the client apps hotlinked everything - so YOU loaded all the images directly from the media server. That was a big privacy problem since it meant all those servers had information on you (your IP, browser and device type, what file you were loading, etc.) So the client apps put image proxies in place. Basically the server for the client app goes out and gets the image for you and you get the image from them. So no additional servers have info on you. Thing is, the proxying costs money. Iris is developed by this shy guy Martti who doesn't have a lot of money - he seems to do it because he enjoys it, but he's mentioned that he doesn't know how much longer it will be economically feasible for him to do what he's doing. He cuts costs by only proxying stuff from servers other than Nostr.build. Snort proxies everything but they compress the hell out of it and can make images look like crap. BTW, if Martti stops developing/hosting Iris, Iris is open source with a very generous MIT license. So people can pick it up where he left off and keep going with it - so it's not the end of the world. Now - in terms of where it's safe to upload images… You can upload SFW image anywhere. That's completely fine. The worst that will happen is the media server could go out of business at some point and you'd have a missing pics on your old posts. Nostr.build (which is what Iris uses and is an option in Snort) allows x-rated content for now. I had a conversation with the guy behind Nostr.build and explained the legalities of his business. He ignored EVERYTHING I told him. I told him he loses Section 230 protections if he moderates all the content on his site (rather than just responding to reports of problems), but he continues to moderate every image. I told him he's in for a world of hurt if he allows adult content and doesn't verify that there is consent and people are of legal age - but he doesn't do those checks and allows adult. He also seems to think that he can just tell if someone is underage. SMH… I've warned him. So bottom line if you upload adult content to Nostr.build it will be tagged as adult and the day may come when he just deletes all the adult stuff. But for now, it's an OK interim solution as you play around and get to know the platform and wait for me to have better options.

Good question… I've been thinking a lot about censorship vs content moderation recently… Let me reframe your question… For starters governments absolutely do censor what's on the relays in their countries. I can't have anything related to prostitution on my relay because my relay is in the US. That's censorship. Anyone who pulls content from my relay is being censored - not so much by me as by the US government. So censorship absolutely exists on Nostr. Which is why they say it's only censorship-resistant. But whether you see something or not is also about "content moderation"… A lot of people see all content moderation as censorship. But censorship is something that's a top-down exercise of power - some person, organization, or government is limiting what you can do or see in a way that's not OK with you. But people sometimes agree to limitations without any coercion. That's not censorship because no one is forcing anyone else to do something. As I mentioned above I've been working on how to implement content moderation in Nostr. My first proposal had mixed reviews, so I spent the weekend rethinking things. The goal is bottom-up content moderation that's censorship-free (because no one is forcing anyone to do anything). You can read more about my approach here. There absolutely is, and absolutely will continue to be content moderation on Nostr. It will just be more organic. If I get my way you'll be able to choose who moderates your feed. In the meantime most of the client apps work on the principle that you don't see anything unless it was posted by someone you follow, or someone followed by people you follow (xN). Assuming you don't follow people who are into illegal stuff, you shouldn't see anything illegal. But content moderation and filtering will improve drastically in the coming months…

You do have your NIP-05 set up correctly. Notice the green text. Iris is pretty aggressive about caching NIP-05 addresses, so it may take a while for you to see it on your profile. I did forget a step in the list above. You need to click "Save Relays Publicly" after adding the relays. I'm not seeing any relays listed in your profile data, so doesn't seem you've done that step. It's easy to find people by npub in Iris - just paste the npub into the search bar at the top of the page. I think Iris is pretty good at being able to find people by their NIP-05 addresses as well (except when it's a site being searched for).

You're all set up. Do the following to make use of being set up… Find your relay list - it should have a section where you can add additional relays. Add "wss://relay.s3x.social" Add "wss://purplepag.es" Now click the "Save Relays Publicly" button (or its equivalent on your client). Wait until you see an indication that those two relays are working (in most clients an icon will turn green) Find where you can edit your profile Find the field that say something about "NIP-05" or "Nostr address" and enter ErosWired@breeding.zone Hit the "Save" button. Do that an you'll be the first official Breeding Zone user on Nostr! You don't seem to be following anyone. Nostr is really boring when that's the case. Here are some suggestions… Me: npub1x30jemy23qme0rkc8jkhk72tvzch35emeh6pw968449w4hywys8qg6t4kx s3x_SOCIAL: npub1k27tyhsg9hqqy2zm7lgxk9n3kafsy8e7x6du6hnes8q65mr2aslqn3vmmj The only guy I've found so far who has posted a dick pic: npub1l5r3wl0xza7hsvm3fyghsxv2lzsngjvxkzsdtswafrvqz2s00a0sdu0ydr And take a look at who I follow to see if any of those interest you (though honestly I haven't really gotten into posts for my site-based accounts), and I haven't found much of any gay porn on Nostr (but that will change). What we really need is people posting stuff…

I managed to find and follow you on one of the three accounts I tried. I’ll set you up for the s3x relay in the morning. The “father of Nostr” is starting to push the use of nprofile over npub for profile discovery. npub can’t tell what relays you’re on, nprofile can. When that happens people will be much easier to find on Nostr.

Announcement time… 🎉🥳🎈🍾 The social media solution I was telling you about is called Nostr. Not to be too technical, but it's not a site, it's a protocol that defines how to do messages that are cryptographically signed using a decentralized network (for comparison HTTP, FTP, and email are protocols). I won't go into crazy detail here. I've written A LOT of explainers on my site s3x.social - check out the site to learn all the little details about Nostr. Why I think it'll be great for you guys… It's an open source project and most of the people working on it are releasing their code on GitHub. So far no major companies are involved. Two of the founders of Twitter (Jack Dorsey & another co-founder of Twitter who's non-binary) say Nostr is what Twitter was supposed to be. Jack Dorsey says he prefers it over Bluesky (the social media solution he's now associated with in the press). I'm not mentioning the non-binary's person's name since I don't want this page coming up in Google searches for them, but they've largely dumped a project their company was working on that was based on Scuttlebutt (a Nostr competitor) and is going all in on Nostr. It's impossible to truly censor people on Nostr - that's both a good thing and a bad thing (more on that in a moment). A number of the core Nostr developers are openly sex worker friendly - which hints at a respect/tolerance for sexual minorities. There are currently about a half million active users on Nostr. Most of the users are from the Bitcoin community, but there are also quite a few from China & Japan. It's important to know that Nostr is pretty rough around the edges right now - but it's improving rapidly. Part of the "rough around the edges" is the fact that it's rather complicated to get started. Which is where s3x_SOCIAL comes in… s3x_SOCIAL You won't actually browse Nostr using s3x_SOCIAL. I may add that later, but for now s3x_SOCIAL will focus on doing the following: Help you get started. It'll set up a profile for you, host your xxx rated profile photos, and help you find people to follow. [NONE of that is ready yet. The closest I've come are the previously mentioned instructional "explainers".] It will offer you guys "NIP-05 verification". That will let you be YourName@breeding.zone - or you can choose from a long list of other possible sites, if you prefer one of those instead of breeding.zone. You'll get free use of the s3x_SOCIAL Nostr relay if you use s3x_SOCIAL for NIP-05 validation and agree to be listed in a directory of users. (A relay is one of the data servers that the app you'll use will pull information from. There are some public relays, but most relays require payment - mostly as a way of combatting spam. Anyone can read from the s3x_SOCIAL relay, but only paid or comp'd members can write to it). In time you'll get file storage at s3x_DRIVE. Nostr relays (for the most part) only handle text - not images, video, audio files, etc. For that you'll need to link to the file on a media server. Most media servers don't want x-rated images. If they see one, they'll delete it. I'll be building a porn-friendly media server you can use. (And a bunch more) If you go to s3x_SOCIAL - DON'T REGISTER! Instead you can login with your Breeding Zone user name and password. BUT there's no point in logging in since I'm still working on you being able to set up your profile. Oh, and registering for / logging into s3x_SOCIAL is not the same registering for / logging into Nostr… You do that with a client app. Basically, right now, s3x_SOCIAL has a lot of information, but you can't actually do anything on it yet. But it has all the information you need to get started with Nostr. It's just won't be with the easy interface I'll eventually make. If you do sign up… Please post your 'npub' in this thread and I'll set things up so you can use the s3x_SOCIAL relay. You can find the Nostr accounts for my sites by following the links on the NIP-05 page. I'm not posting much (as rawTOP), but if you want to follow me, my npub is: npub1x30jemy23qme0rkc8jkhk72tvzch35emeh6pw968449w4hywys8qg6t4kx And please follow s3x_SOCIAL: npub1k27tyhsg9hqqy2zm7lgxk9n3kafsy8e7x6du6hnes8q65mr2aslqn3vmmj Content Moderation & Safety Issues The other question is "is this a safe place for people like us?" To that I'd say it's about as safe as any other type of social media - except maybe ones that are locked down and members-only (like the Backroom here). That said, I did get my first death threat on Nostr the other day in response to announcing the launch of the s3x_SOCIAL relay. But the person is an exception - most of the folks there are pretty tolerant and easy going. Honestly though, more needs to be done to have proper content moderation. Since it's an open source project it's a perfect chance to practice "be the change you want to see in the world" - so I dived in, signed up for GitHub and started a discussion about how handling of "sensitive content" needed to improve. Since I was discussing sex and porn I managed to use so many explicit terms I got banned by Git's moderation bot. It took me three weeks to get back into my account. Then there was the first Nostr conference which I watched remotely. Only two of the presenters mentioned content moderation. The developer of the only Apple-approved app for iOS mentioned it briefly. But the non-binary co-founder of Twitter I mentioned above dedicated most of their talk to it - to the point people labeled them "the censorship guy". The two of us teamed up and have been pushing the idea of content moderation. We're determined to get something better in place and will keep at it until it happens. Read this if you want to understand our vision for content moderation on Nostr. One thing I like about Nostr is the potential fluidity of communities, and "moderation". Mastodon (and a few other platforms) have been trying for years to do what Nostr is finally figuring out and doing right. All Mastodon manages to do is replace a corporate censor with lots of little censors who control their part of Mastodon. When I read it described that way I chuckled - it described my relationship with Breeding Zone pretty much perfectly. Trust me, I'll be a hard ass, and there are times when I have to be, but it's a role I do a little reluctantly. So with Nostr let's say I ban someone from s3x_SOCIAL - big deal… All that happens when I ban someone is their content gets deleted off my relay. They're no longer my problem, but you can still interact with them if you want to because they're still on Nostr. Nostr is bigger than my little piece of it. If you're a developer who uses GitHub, I could use your help Here are things we could use help with: To get our pull request approved to move forward with content moderation, we need to come up a simple client app that can demonstrate what we're talking about. I'm struggling with that. So any help would be appreciated. We could also use people to support our vision as we introduce pull requests to improve content moderation. So even moral support would be greatly appreciated. There are changes that are needed to other open source Nostr-related projects as well. For example one of the really popular relay servers can't accept reports on content from anyone but paid members if it's in "paid relay" mode. Given than anyone can read the problem content from the relay - that's a legal problem for relay owners like me. DM me if you can help with any of that.

Thanks. It's been fixed. I've making a bunch of changes today and failed to dot my I's and cross my T's - so to speak.

It actually IS a free service, but there will be paid upgrades, so to speak. Most of the development has been open source. I'll explain more about possible costs later. It has built-in support for Bitcoin Lightning payments - which is a simplified/faster way to do Bitcoin transactions (it's "off-chain"). I agree that Bitcoin is unstable - which just means you shouldn't keep any significant amount of money in it - periodically all but a little bit out by converting it to fiat. Yes, that is my worry too. We'll have to see how it turns out in practice. I honestly don't know how that will go. Right now the guys on it sometimes make it clear that they're pretty conservative, but I've seen almost zero political discussions. And oddly they avoid sex and porn as well. But they're literally religious/cult-like about Bitcoin - to the point of it being disconcerting. But at the same time some of the people working on it have come up with great ways to reduce the spread of things that are controversial/disturbing. One has coded things so you won't see it unless someone you follow or someone they follow posted it. Gone are the corporate algorithms that intentionally try to get people arguing to up engagement and sell more ads. So chances are the crazies will only be followed by crazies - and we know crazies hate an echo chamber.

No. You must disable deletion the same way you initially requested it - in Settings.

The thread about newTumbl kicking people off their platform reminded me that I should mention that there's a censorship-resistant social media solution that's in the works thanks to the bitcoin community. Right now it's a bit rough around the edges - to put it politely - but also far slicker than you might imagine - and getting better by the day/week. It's almost impossible to get completely kicked off of it. So if you're tired of people (including me) telling you what you can and can't do on social media sites - you'll like it a lot. So watch this thread. I'll explain how to get started on it probably next week or early the following week. Before I explain it to everyone I need to accomplish a few things: My host is migrating me from a server in Miami (red state - boo!) to a much faster server in Michigan (blue state - yeah!) I need a particular new application set up and running on that before I announce anything. I need to finish my documentation on how to get started (it's a bit more confusing than it should be right now). I need to finish the ability to set up accounts on my new sites. Ideally I'd also have image uploads ready - but that's probably a month or 6 weeks off. So stay tuned…

DrScorpio is right - it almost certainly means you've requested account deletion. Not being able to view your profile let's you know the account deletion is in progress. The error starts a number of weeks before actual account deletion so you have plenty of time to turn off account deletion if you no longer want your account deleted.

As he requested, he’s now banned for a long time.

I spent a fair amount of time this weekend and this morning drafting an 8 page (!) explanation of how to protect kids from accidentally seeing porn without infringing on people's free speech rights or their right to privacy. I then emailed it and sent it registered mail to Senator Schumer's legislative director. If anyone can get a good child protection law through Congress it's Schumer. The question is whether their eyes will glaze over when the read the details - so I had an older, (well-known) straight fetish producer who's a bit of a Luddite read it to make sure it was understandable. He liked it, but it wasn't the first time he heard me explain the concept. If I don't hear from Schumer's office in 2 weeks I'll send it to a Congressperson who's from Silicon Valley who has staff who are technical enough to understand it, and Big Tech connections connections who can validate that it can work technically. And if I haven't heard back from someone two weeks after that I'll alternate Senators & Congresspeople with technical expertise every two weeks until I hear from someone. Hell, I'll even hit up Mitt Romney if I run out of Democrats since I could see him supporting my approach. (Mormons tend to be fairly level-headed and practical on stuff like this). "Be the change you want to see in the world" - right? It is getting some press coverage, but not a lot. California also passed a law last year. The big social media companies pretty quickly filed a lawsuit to challenge it on First Amendment grounds. The thing is the Republicans wrote their laws so the government wasn't involved. Like many of the recent anti-abortion and anti-trans laws they get private citizens to file the lawsuits. So there's no way to file a lawsuit to challenge the lawsuit - we have to wait until someone is sued. I think a lot of porn companies are either unaware of the new laws (they went into effect quickly) or they assume someone will file a lawsuit challenging the laws (which is impossible), so they don't think they're a threat. Some paysite owners are making the tours PG-13 and then choosing a commercial service for age verification when someone from a restricted state goes to buy a membership. While the cost of those commercial services is cost-prohibitive for sites like this one, it's not in the context of someone buying a membership. So you're OK with this site shutting down if enough states enact similar laws? I'm thinking of banning you just so you can experience what that would be like.

The software that drives this site isn't capable of integrating with age verification services. Changing that would be cost prohibitive. Even if it could handle AV, the reoccurring costs would be more than Breeding Zone makes Even if the cost were affordable - it would block search engine spiders like Google (since allowing Googlebot/Bingbot through based on their user agent strings probably violates the law). Those search engines are the primary source of new members That will result in the slow death of the site - which is exactly why these laws are being passed - they want us to go out of business. I've said this pretty loudly on the main adult industry forum - there is a completely different solution which won't put us out of business. They're called Private Access Tokens (aka PATs). Apple has already started to use PATs to replace CAPTCHA, and Google is working on implementing them as well. The idea is that your device knows more about you than anyone else. Apple and Google are using them to confirm that the user is human. They could also be used to confirm whether adult content blocks are in place on the device. Then the parent only has to do a minimal amount of parenting to turn on the adult content block. (And adults who don't want to see adult content can turn on the block as well). Then PATs can be used to confirm that adult content block is not turned on. It's quick, cheap and efficient. And PATs are completely privacy-protecting. There's no 3rd party who knows you're accessing adult content. There's no additional database that can be hacked since it happens in the moment with no logging. Thing is, it's not age verification. It's verification of a lack of an adult content block. But it achieves the same goal. Actually, PATs would be more effective since the current laws don't apply to the major social media sites since the laws only apply to sites with >33% "harmful" content, and PATs are so quick, cheap and easy that even social media sites could be required to use them. At the end of the day these laws are being written by religious conservatives with the goal of putting sites like this out of business. Our silence is allowing them to determine how children are protected. They are not the best people to be writing these laws - their goal is to put us out of business. If the tech industry worked with the adult industry we could do a better job at protecting kids and not put us out of business. The laws in LA & VA want more than that. Yet those age verification pop-ups do help. It's pretty widely accepted that you'll never stop a kid who's determined to see porn. They will find a way to get around anything you implement. The thing absolutely no one wants and which needs to be addressed is kids accidentally seeing porn. The age verification pop-ups do help, but they're not perfect. Having to enter a birth date is even better. But the real problem is social media sites - and they're not covered by these laws - because the laws were written by people who want to put us out of business - "protecting children" is just a ruse.

If you're in Virginia - pay attention! You're about to be blocked from using this site. Just as Louisiana was blocked from this site a few months ago - your legislature just passed a bill similar to Louisiana's (with near unanimous support, and no one speaking up against it). Given the conservative leanings of your governor and the lack of opposition - it looks like it will pass, at which point I'll block the state of Virginia. More details here: https://apple.news/AEC0QFlK_RWu-ECr74wy3DA Please do the legwork and figure out if there's a way to stop this. And remember - WHO YOU VOTE FOR MATTERS!!

I just put something in place so 45 days after you request account deletion your profile page will start throwing a "not found" error. After doing a batch of deletions I usually get a guy or two saying "Why did you delete my account?" or "Why can't I login?" - either they had forgotten that they requested the account deletion, or they didn't logout and someone with access to their computer requested the deletion. This will up the chances that they see something is wrong and cancel the deletion request before it's too late.

Here's a weird factoid for you… You've probably heard of your "gut microbiome" but did you know penises have microbiomes too? And they're altered by circumcision… Full article here - https://www.sciencealert.com/circumcision-appears-to-alter-the-penis-microbiome-study-finds

This has been implemented. Every week or so I'll update the list of long bans. In the meantime if you try to go to a profile that has a long ban you'll get an error. That means that Google will drop those profile pages from its index (though it may take a week or so).

If I could reinstate it, then it wouldn't really be deleted, would it? When people ask for their accounts to be deleted they expect it to be in a manner where it's actually deleted. The laws on this topic also expect that. And to be clear - the only time I delete accounts is when someone goes into Settings and requests account deletion. Which means either someone had access to your account and requested it without your knowledge. Or you were high/drunk when you requested it and forgot you had requested it. Accounts aren't deleted until at least 60 days after the request - so there's plenty of time in there where you could have forgotten if you were impared at the time you did the request. I can't help any of those scenarios. It's up to you to 1) secure your account, and 2) take responsibility for what you do - even if you're drunk or high when you do it.

The one gotcha about how the software for this site works is that if you're permanently banned you can't login to request account deletion. (The software is what it is - I don't develop it - I just do what I can with it.) The other day I thought up a 1/2 way decent compromise… I'll make it impossible to view profile pages for users who've been banned for long periods of time. (For those who are techies - I'll return a 410 response code for those URLs.) The page technically will still exist, it just won't be viewable. I've written some code to do the blocks. I'll test it tomorrow. (It's part of a process that runs daily and I've already run the process today).

We have never sold the mailing list for this site. The closest we came was many years ago we gave it to a trusted sponsor who sent out promotional emails on our behalf. They assured us the list was deleted after they sent out the emails. But we don't even do that kind of thing any more. I responded to this user MANY times. He just didn't like the response. When his repeated emails turned harassing in nature I stopped responding.

And immediately after I write that someone reported a problem when they're using Safari on an iPhone 14… So not an old browser…

After some back and forth with the developer of the software used to run this site, I've implemented something which I hope will help reduce the problem. I suspect the problem is with older web browsers that don't fully support date input fields. When that happens the browser just treats the input area as a normal text input area. The developer put a placeholder (hint) into the area that said "Birthday" which is completely unhelpful to people who need to enter the date as text. I've written a Javascript which changes the placeholder hint to "YYYY-MM-DD" which let's people with older browsers know the correct format they need to enter to have their birth date understood. If you have a newer browser your browser will give you some sort of date picking interface and will then submit the value in that format. Some of the date picking interfaces are rather frustrating when you have to go years in the past, but that's your browser's fault, not the fault of the site coding. Now to see if the reports of problems go down significantly. 🤞