Is HIV really that difficult to transmit?

[PhlPride07]

Hi all,

I'm sorry to post another "How much risk" did I take post, but I need to tell my story somewhere, to someone, and I found this community here, so I hope you don't mind. 

I'm legitimately curious about the statistics published for HIV transmission. It seems incredibly difficult to effectively transmit this in sex, and I hear plenty of stories of guys going years actively chasing HIV and never converting and other guys getting it on their first exposure. So , I guess it's all a flip of the coin, but it seems more likely than not it would take multiple exposures to successfully convert, and I find that incredibly interesting. 

I was, and still may be, HIV Negative, and I would prefer to stay negative, but I recently had a severe lapse in judgement and placed myself in some risky situations. I topped a partner bareback who was "on prep" and I was in a bareback gangbang topping someone who was "undetectable" I picked up chlamydia somewhere along the way, but won't have conclusive HIV results for a few more weeks. On the recent fuck, I had bright pinkish spot on the head of my penis for the 5  minutes following sex. I've never seen anything like it before, and in my mind that's a sign of something entering me, although it could have been irritation or something innocent. Maybe the closest thing to google is balanitis, but it was a small spot, went away immediately, and I'm circumcised..so I'm not sure. 

I read a good analogy on here recently that flying is the safest form of transportation, but every flight I'm on is going to be the one that crashes. So, that logic applies here with me. I know the statistics and science behind these acts and medication, but I'm ultimately relying on someone else to keep me safe. I know I need to pursue prep if I'm still neg.

I ultimately know what I need to do, but it's just oddly therapeutic posting my story online for others to read. I know this post was probably a mess of emotion and words. Thanks for taking the time to read. 

Edited October 18, 2018 by PhlPride07

[ObligingBottom]

I don't know about all the facts and figures on HIV transmission, and I'm sure other people could answer that better or point you in the right direction, but the bright pinkish spot on the head of your penis following sex that quickly wouldn't be a disease. It probably was more likely an irritation from rubbing a certain thing inside a certain way or maybe the position. I hope this helps about that part at least.

I hope you are okay though. Your post does sound a bit of a jumble of emotion and anxiety or anticipation, which I understand.

Edited October 18, 2018 by ObligingBottom

[Guest ff-whole]

Good post, don't feel bad... 
The posting of ones concerns and emotions brings back the humanity in this somewhat overly kinky and piggy forum.

I too have been foolishly gambling with HIV for far to long and yes also still negative. I am/was never chasing, just hoping to stay negative.
I acquired Prep online and am going to use it when I go pig out as a all-in bottom on my next travels...
I don't want to play the odds any longer.

Sorry I don't have more info on the percentage rate or statistics of catching HIV... It seems getting other STD's are a lot more common.

[punaman]

Somewhere in Google or other search engines there is the statistics of getting HIV, but it's not an actual science.  Why do some people get fucked raw for years never catch HIV even in the baths, bookstores, parks etc like I did and then there's others who bareback once and they get HIV like my husband did.  I know I've taken many poz loads through the years and still remain negative. Good luck, I'd get on Prep if you're worried about it. I'm in a monogamous marriage with an Poz UD husband and we will always have raw sex.  If someday we decide to not be monogamous, I think I'd get on Prep. He's not had an easy go of HIV and is not one of the one's happy to have it. 

[Veytoss]

You can use this tool to estimate the chance:

 

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/estimator.html

[wildbottom]

138 in 10,000 bareback sessions for a healthy, HIV negative bottom if the top is healthy, poz and has no other STDs

366 in 10,000 bareback sessions for an HIV negative bottom who has any other STD if the top is healthy, poz and has no other STDs

944 in 10,000 bareback sessions for an HIV negative bottom who has any other STD if the top is poz and also has any other STD.

It's important to list those out, but like you said, it's a luck-of-the-draw, unless you happen to have a dual CC5R-delta32 in your gene sequence, which then dramatically reduces your chances of being infected with the more prominent type of HIV (think = to Prep without taking Prep) - then if you not only have the dual gene sequence AND take Prep, it seems as though you might be just about bullet proof.  Of course, this has no effect on everything else out there (syph, GR, Chlam, HPV, HAV, HBV, HCV).

My story is dramatic; 20 years of almost non stop, stressful anonymous bareback sessions, 1on1, gangbangs, bathhouses (all across the US and Europe), video stores, parks, sucking and swallowing, ATM, bottoming, taking loads all the time from anyone with a cock.  After all that time, I have latent syph (being addressed with 3 shots of penecilin and HepB, monitoring for these first 6 months, hoping it goes away (ie, doesn't become chronic).  And, HIV negative.  I was shocked beyond belief that I wasn't poz - seriously shocked - I never wanted it, just hoped I'd never get it, but didn't care nonetheless (bipolar w/ depression and not on meds seems to have driven my sex libido for a LONG time).   

[tallslenderguy]

i've easily been with over 1000 guys and taken their loads annally over a 30 year period, i didn't become poz until 3 years ago. 

There seems to be a human desire to be able to put things in black and white terms, to have definitive answers to our questions. i think science, and medical science in particular, has done some amazing things, come up with some remarkable answers.

i'm a critical care nurse, so i am in the thick of things when it comes to medicine and healing. i am not a infectious disease specialist, but i practice the healing arts, and certain realities apply to all of us.  Right now, the body is an infinite universe.  We can narrow things down enough to come up with meds like anti virals, but it doesn't mean we understand or can quantify every aspect of the HIV disease process.  Which is to say, while there are things that may be the same for everyone, there are also things that differ and we don't know enough to identify all those things. 

We do know that we can take a pill and essentially prevent ourselves from getting infected (PreP).  We now know that suppressed/undetecable = no risk for transmission.  Of course, that doesn't mean that just because a person says they are on Prep or undetectable, that they are telling the truth.  The only person you can know about for sure is you. You could take PreP.  

i'm sure you know all or most of this.  Like your self, i thought i knew what i had to do (get on PreP), and i was actually going through the testing process to get on PreP when i found out i am poz.  Now i am on meds, undetectable.  i didn't want to be poz, but i figure i dodged the bullet for a long time and feel no regrets. To me, it's just all a part of living and i am grateful we live in an era where HIV doesn't mean AID's or the end of sex. 

[Guest ff-whole]

7 hours ago, wildbottom said:

My story is dramatic; 20 years of almost non stop, stressful anonymous bareback sessions, 1on1, gangbangs, bathhouses (all across the US and Europe), video stores, parks, sucking and swallowing, ATM, bottoming, taking loads all the time from anyone with a cock.  After all that time, I have latent syph (being addressed with 3 shots of penecilin and HepB, monitoring for these first 6 months, hoping it goes away (ie, doesn't become chronic).  And, HIV negative.  I was shocked beyond belief that I wasn't poz - seriously shocked - I never wanted it, just hoped I'd never get it, but didn't care nonetheless (bipolar w/ depression and not on meds seems to have driven my sex libido for a LONG time).   

I basically was like you... bipolar w depressions and not on Prep and just taking all loads for about 15+ years... still negative but I found a cure after 50+ years of depressions: I make my THC cannabis oil and feel great... stil negative so I bought Prep online and now will rest easy taking all loads...

[ErosWired]

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control has taken a formal public position, based on a long term study-of-studies, that an HIV-seropositive individual whose viral load is Undetectable on antiretroviral therapy is essentially unable to transmit HIV to another person. "Undetectable = Untransmittable" is a phrase beginning to gain currency. Thus the importance of HIV+ guys to adhere religiously to their AVR regimen, reach Undetectable status, and stay there. Do not give the Enemy Virus any quarter.

[ltrhornypig]

On 10/17/2018 at 9:59 PM, ff-whole said:

Good post, don't feel bad... 
The posting of ones concerns and emotions brings back the humanity in this somewhat overly kinky and piggy forum.

I too have been foolishly gambling with HIV for far to long and yes also still negative. I am/was never chasing, just hoping to stay negative.
I acquired Prep online and am going to use it when I go pig out as a all-in bottom on my next travels...
I don't want to play the odds any longer.

Sorry I don't have more info on the percentage rate or statistics of catching HIV... It seems getting other STD's are a lot more common.

Be careful with buying prep online. There are scammers out there. Are you able to get prep prescription from your local doctors or seual health clinics?