Can we retire “BBC”?

[DrrAld]

1 minute ago, Cumlaut said:

Ok I get it, I'm sorry black gay porn stars don't all look like Usher. I must be a huge racist! 

Why don't you start a porn company of your own? 

BIG BLACK COCK.

Deep-voiced black guys with huge weapons are gonna be in gay porn for a long time......... so... get over it. And theyre gonna be in my fantasies if I can get this lecture outta my head...

If I might ask, what do you call White or Latino or Asian penises that are large?

[find91]

The BBC comments tend to annoy most black men. Black people have had a long history of being hypersexualized, both in gay and straight society. Like what the creator of this thread is saying Fetishization is not a form of respect is boxes the individual in as if they are just that one aspect. In this case all the black man is viewed as being a giant dick mean to serve. Furthermore not every black man out their is hung ( I know shocking LOL) and this further makes them feel isolated because the one thing they are "suppose" to be desired for they don't have. You can be into a certain race or body type or physical characteristic but you still got to treat them like they are a human being; objectification is extremely hurtful.

[Guest Cumlaut]

5 minutes ago, DrrAld said:

If I might ask, what do you call White or Latino or Asian penises that are large?

Well I dont really get into Asian men a lot......for the others I call them hot, hung and studs etc thats what I call them. Black guys are the only ones i would call sir. (And maybe Latinos but ive hardly met any of them sadly). I'm sorry my over-respect offends you so much. All this talk about it is just fuelling my fantasies not the opposite

Edited January 18, 2019 by Cumlaut

[DrrAld]

1 minute ago, Cumlaut said:

Well I dont really get into Asian men a lot......for the others I call them hot, hung and studs etc thats what I call them. Black guys are the only ones i would call sir. I'm sorry my over-respect offends you so much. All this talk about it is just fuelling my fantasies not the opposite

Asking to be humanised instead of viewed as simply a vessel of sexual gratification turns you on? Thank you for proving my point.

[find91]

I will be blunt gay culture has a very toxic aspect that likes putting people in boxes and categories. BBC is just another one on the list. In general No guy wants to just be knows for having a big dick unless they have severe self-esteem issues. This is one problem why I have mad issues with size queens. There's a big difference liking the feel of being fucked by a hung guy and Being a size queen. The former you treat the person with respect before and after the act and you look them in the eyes when you talk to them and not talk to their dick. The latter, size queen is the selfish act of just running after big dick to feed your ego. They are just users. I bring this all up because all that is offensive but adding the racial aspect of BBC  you turn it into a completely dehumanizing thing.

[find91]

On ‎1‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 11:25 AM, nelly26 said:

It won't ever go away. Ever. You just have to deal with it and avoid those who use these terms. I'm beyond tired of everything gay catering to white men.  Notice how every single race is sexually stereotyped except white men.  It's pretty simple to understand why and how that elevates white men into a false sense of superiority over others as the most desired group of men for sex and dating. You read about it all the time on this website. 

I wish that:  1 - there were more online kink spaces for black people and, 2 - black men stopped doing porn with non-blacks, period. I honestly think that black men who do studio gay porn have ZERO self-esteem because they aren't even as physically attractive as their white co-stars, and they are basically receiving the short end of the stick.  When black men are casted, it's very noticeable that they will have a nice body and a large penis but lack in the face department (meaning, they're more or less ugly).  White studio porn stars have a nice face, nice body and nice dick - a trifecta so to speak.  To me, it's obvious that studio producers don't care about the face when it comes to black actors (they aren't judged for their handsomeness like white actors are), all that matters is body and dick, and we see this constantly play out in the real world on apps and social gay spaces.  The proof is that black gays complain about rejection from non-blacks but everyone loves a black top with a nice body, right?  

Are you taking about black porn actors in interracial productions or are you talking about black porn actors in general ( even black productions like breed it raw and papithugz and rawstrokes?

[Guest Cumlaut]

13 minutes ago, DrrAld said:

Asking to be humanised instead of viewed as simply a vessel of sexual gratification turns you on? Thank you for proving my point.

If it helps im sorry guys spam you with "BBC?" messages. People should just generally be more eloquent and polite not rely on stupid acronyms. 

You cant lecture me for having a "fantasy" though. Just cause I want a hung black man to take control of me it doesnt mean I treat all black men I meet as sex objects. I know when I've met one who wants to treat me the way I want to be treated.... thanks. Luckily not all guys out there are reading stuff like this so hopefully there wont be a shortage of black guys who act like studs and arent afraid to be treated like one.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Cumlaut

[tallslenderguy]

44 minutes ago, nelly26 said:

I think that's your perception, and I think your perception is also influenced by you being white and from the United Kingdom so there is a disconnection. There's nothing wrong with this. I'm black and from the United States where most porn is made.  I know how the history of my country and porn play off of each other.  I stopped watching studio produced (studio meaning "mainstream") gay porn years ago for the reason that I wrote.  Black men that perform in that arena do not bring the face.  The don't bring handsomeness or prettiness like white, Latino, Asian, porn stars do.  With black men, no one cares about your face, the producers and viewers care about your body and dick. That's all.  I looked up on Pornhub the guys you previously mentioned and facially, they all look average at best with above-average bodies.  This is just what's expected for black men.  Myself, I would like to see black gay porn actors with handsome faces, nice bodies and nice dicks.  Brian Pumper and Mr. Marcus types come to mind but they only perform straight porn. Studio gay porn is made for the white gaze, therefore they don't care if the black guy looks terrible facially, as long as he has a nice body and a big dick. This goes for both black tops and "the rare" black bottoms. 

I found this link called, "The 14 Biggest Dicks in Gay Porn Right Now".  It has pictures and I wonder who out of the 14 is the least facially attractive, hmmm....

https://www.thesword.com/the-13-biggest-dicks-in-gay-porn-right-now.html

 

i think you make some good points. i think it would be naive to think there is no bias in porn media.  i know my perceptions of black men have changed dramatically over my life time, a lot of those changes resulted from relationships with black guys that exposed my false, and often deeply hidden, cultural notions.  Someone in this thread or another mentioned that they find the descriptor/s"good looking, etc., " off putting. me too. i'm honestly intimidated by guys who i perceive as gorgeous, makes me feel inadequate. These days i am much more inclined to judge attractiveness from attitude than i am physical looks.  

i can't prove why, but i am initially attracted to black men because of my experiences with them, so it's totally subjective. Out of all the black guys i've been with (a lot, i lived half my life in areas where blacks were the majority population), i can remember only one who didn't make me feel wonderful to be with because of a deeper than physical connection.  i have fallen in love with soooo many black hook ups, lol. fuck. The one black guy that just made me feel used was probably the hottest one of all, by normal social standards of beauty?  It never stopped me from hookng with Him, but i never had to bite my tongue from declaring my adoration for Him like others.  i have wondered if it's not so much what they have as what they don't have? I.e., the white privilege attitude? idk

i think it would be interesting to take a pole and see the similarities and differences of how guys perceive beauty, attractiveness.  Of the two black guys on that list, i'd put Mario Costa in the Top three. But honestly, i had to google to confirm that He is black. i'd put the other black guy, "Cutler" about the middle of the list, i liked His eyes and smile. i think it's telling that they put a rebel hat on Him?!?  

Someone i've long had the hots for is Barak Obama lol. i think He is totally hot, but for me so much hinges on personality. Looks just isn't my primary factor when it comes to attractive. 

[tallslenderguy]

31 minutes ago, find91 said:

I will be blunt gay culture has a very toxic aspect that likes putting people in boxes and categories. BBC is just another one on the list. In general No guy wants to just be knows for having a big dick unless they have severe self-esteem issues. This is one problem why I have mad issues with size queens. There's a big difference liking the feel of being fucked by a hung guy and Being a size queen. The former you treat the person with respect before and after the act and you look them in the eyes when you talk to them and not talk to their dick. The latter, size queen is the selfish act of just running after big dick to feed your ego. They are just users. I bring this all up because all that is offensive but adding the racial aspect of BBC  you turn it into a completely dehumanizing thing.

Agreed. To me, gay culture should be one of the most enlightened, we should really be experts on stereotyping and its hazards. i'm mystified by how much we have borrowed from patriarchal, straight white culture. my guess is its misguided attempts at acceptance.  This is a great discussion. 

[Anonversecuck]

This ain't just in the gay culture. The hotwife and cuckold stuff loves BBC too. Hard to justify your argument when plenty of black guys brag about their BBC.

[DrrAld]

I’ll preface by saying that “attractive” is subjective and the face one finds beautiful, another might not. nelly26, you used that linked list to make this point when I actually find Cutler to be cute and cuddly.

 

Also, I’m not one to dismiss interracial sex in life or porn (two very different things) and don’t think it would be beneficial to segregate performers. I’d venture to say doing that would actually do the opposite; further isolating and othering.

 

To the point: Wanting to not simply be viewed and used as a vessel for fetishisation, fantasy fulfilment or gratification and having a preference or attraction to races other than your own aren’t mutually exclusive. Interracial relationships/sex and muted racial bias can actually co-exist.

 

In porn, a scene isn’t problematic because it has a Black top or tops and a White bottom; male or female. It’s problematic when the title is “BBC fucks (insert name)” (as barecub85 mentioned) and the Black men are simply relegated to being tools of taboo fulfilment and or aggressive/deep pleasure for the White receiver who’s often depicted as “good” or “innocent” and the norm. You simply don’t see well-endowed White performers being labelled as such.

 

Furthermore, there is a vast difference between racial and role play and generalised fantasy. If it’s explicitly known that someone enjoys referencing race during play, have at it. I find myself occasionally saying, “Fuck my Black ass” to even my Black top sex partners. Some take it further and indulge in full-on racial identity and epithetical engagement. That’s beyond my limits, but again, it’s what they’re into and I’m not judging.

 

Where it becomes hurtful is when you have forums such as this where you continually see the preference for Black men (or “BBC”) conflated with a desire for deep impaling or fullness and references to sexual fantasies and fetish as though this is the only purview by which you would even entertain sleeping with or engaging with a Black person. When his “big black dick” is the main (and often only) trait causing attraction.

 

I’ve actually had men say to me, “I’m not into Black guys but would love to see your dick”. I can’t count the number of times it’s assumed that I’m a top or that I’m lying about my desire to simply bottom. At bathhouses and sex parties, I’ve been in assless neoprene briefs (deliberately made to completely cover your groin) and had men try and reposition the front to see what’s underneath. This sort of “I haven’t but ...” or excited desire to engage with my crotch doesn’t usually happen with top men which further legitimises the problematic nature of the desire for “BBC” vs a general preference for Black men.

 

Additionally, some Black men who would otherwise be great sexual partners are made to feel inadequate because they don’t have a “BBC” while others, like myself (even as a bottom), are made to feel as though our big penis is the only attribute of value. We’re turned into a monolith or a category of sex instead of treated as a full human capable of having their own desires and it feels like shit all around.

 

And for those who feel attacked or are “sick of being told what’s offensive”, check your privilege. I will say again that preference is not the issue and most (keyword: most) people aren’t against interracial play or relationships. If you’re a White bottom who enjoys being with Black men, have at it. I enjoy us too. But please be cognisant of and understand that the Black guy you’re into (even for five minutes) has probably experienced stereotyping and treatment based simply on the colour of his skin and just as you’re escaping into the pleasure of sex and his “BBC”, he is more than his penis and entitled to reciprocal pleasure beyond the remnants of your desire fulfilment. We’re not here to simply service you and your fantasies and, unless stated otherwise, may not even be into you or what you’re offering.

 

In the world at large, we’re already considered a minority, but when you narrow it down to the LGBTQ+ stratosphere and within that, the sex positive subculture at large, we’re a small bunch. Because of that, a lot of guys don’t say anything about this topic so I decided to do it for us.

 

I don’t claim to speak for all Black men, but feel pretty confident saying that most feel the way that I do. Ask one of them and see what they say. And if you don’t have anyone to ask, perhaps that’s part of the reason why this continues.

 

Thanks for reading.

[tallslenderguy]

39 minutes ago, DrrAld said:

I’ll preface by saying that “attractive” is subjective and the face one finds beautiful, another might not. nelly26, you used that linked list to make this point when I actually find Cutler to be cute and cuddly.

 

Also, I’m not one to dismiss interracial sex in life or porn (two very different things) and don’t think it would be beneficial to segregate performers. I’d venture to say doing that would actually do the opposite; further isolating and othering.

 

To the point: Wanting to not simply be viewed and used as a vessel for fetishisation, fantasy fulfilment or gratification and having a preference or attraction to races other than your own aren’t mutually exclusive. Interracial relationships/sex and muted racial bias can actually co-exist.

 

In porn, a scene isn’t problematic because it has a Black top or tops and a White bottom; male or female. It’s problematic when the title is “BBC fucks (insert name)” (as barecub85 mentioned) and the Black men are simply relegated to being tools of taboo fulfilment and or aggressive/deep pleasure for the White receiver who’s often depicted as “good” or “innocent” and the norm. You simply don’t see well-endowed White performers being labelled as such.

 

Furthermore, there is a vast difference between racial and role play and generalised fantasy. If it’s explicitly known that someone enjoys referencing race during play, have at it. I find myself occasionally saying, “Fuck my Black ass” to even my Black top sex partners. Some take it further and indulge in full-on racial identity and epithetical engagement. That’s beyond my limits, but again, it’s what they’re into and I’m not judging.

 

Where it becomes hurtful is when you have forums such as this where you continually see the preference for Black men (or “BBC”) conflated with a desire for deep impaling or fullness and references to sexual fantasies and fetish as though this is the only purview by which you would even entertain sleeping with or engaging with a Black person. When his “big black dick” is the main (and often only) trait causing attraction.

 

I’ve actually had men say to me, “I’m not into Black guys but would love to see your dick”. I can’t count the number of times it’s assumed that I’m a top or that I’m lying about my desire to simply bottom. At bathhouses and sex parties, I’ve been in assless neoprene briefs (deliberately made to completely cover your groin) and had men try and reposition the front to see what’s underneath. This sort of “I haven’t but ...” or excited desire to engage with my crotch doesn’t usually happen with top men which further legitimises the problematic nature of the desire for “BBC” vs a general preference for Black men.

 

Additionally, some Black men who would otherwise be great sexual partners are made to feel inadequate because they don’t have a “BBC” while others, like myself (even as a bottom), are made to feel as though our big penis is the only attribute of value. We’re turned into a monolith or a category of sex instead of treated as a full human capable of having their own desires and it feels like shit all around.

 

And for those who feel attacked or are “sick of being told what’s offensive”, check your privilege. I will say again that preference is not the issue and most (keyword: most) people aren’t against interracial play or relationships. If you’re a White bottom who enjoys being with Black men, have at it. I enjoy us too. But please be cognisant of and understand that the Black guy you’re into (even for five minutes) has probably experienced stereotyping and treatment based simply on the colour of his skin and just as you’re escaping into the pleasure of sex and his “BBC”, he is more than his penis and entitled to reciprocal pleasure beyond the remnants of your desire fulfilment. We’re not here to simply service you and your fantasies and, unless stated otherwise, may not even be into you or what you’re offering.

 

In the world at large, we’re already considered a minority, but when you narrow it down to the LGBTQ+ stratosphere and within that, the sex positive subculture at large, we’re a small bunch. Because of that, a lot of guys don’t say anything about this topic so I decided to do it for us.

 

I don’t claim to speak for all Black men, but feel pretty confident saying that most feel the way that I do. Ask one of them and see what they say. And if you don’t have anyone to ask, perhaps that’s part of the reason why this continues.

 

Thanks for reading.

i tried to "love" this, but i am out of loves for today.... mostly spent on this discussion. This sort of post keeps me coming back to breeding zone, i am so pleased that we are having this discussion and am grateful to you for starting it.  i find you wonderfully insightful and articulate... total turn ons for me. marry me? 

[evilqueerpig]

After following this thread from the beginning, I feel the need to contribute again.  When I'm with a man, whether he's black, white, hispanic, asian or mixed race, it's because I'm attracted to the man and not because of what's between his legs or what he sits on.  Stereotypes have been around since the beginning of time and the gay community is not immune.  Many in the straight community think all gay men are limp wristed, sashaying fems.  I'm not superior to anyone, but having an open mind has served me well and it's brought wonderful men into my life.

[Roro123]

14 hours ago, Cumlaut said:

Ok I get it, I'm sorry black gay porn stars don't all look like Usher. I must be a huge racist! 

Why don't you start a porn company of your own? 

BIG BLACK COCK.

Deep-voiced black guys with huge weapons are gonna be in gay porn for a long time......... so... get over it. And theyre gonna be in my fantasies if I can get this lecture outta my head...

You’re just another problematic funky white gay.  Typical.  Probably not even good looking enough to find a picky hung white guy to top you so you have to look for black guys desperate for low-level whites that even other whites don’t want. Spoiler alert, black people recognized white “damaged goods”. 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Roro123

[Roro123]

13 hours ago, find91 said:

Are you taking about black porn actors in interracial productions or are you talking about black porn actors in general ( even black productions like breed it raw and papithugz and rawstrokes?

As I mentioned, I’m talking about studio gay porn meaning mainstream gay porn produced mostly by funky, older, fat white men. If you still don’t follow, I’m looking for black gay porn actors that look like Brian Pumper and Mr. Marcus, they don’t exist. 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Roro123