Will you vote for Donald Trump in 2020 ?

[Pozlover1]

2 hours ago, sthrnguy said:

I honestly cannot stand Mr. Trump, but it seems the Democrats are hell bent on nominating a Marxist/Socialist, which I will never vote for, so I guess that my choice has been made for me.  I didn't vote for Trump in '16 (even though I am a life long Republican) but othr than Mr. Biden, it seems that the Democrats are going to force me to vote for Trump by nominating a nutjob like Warren or Sanders.  Its not what I wish, but I will never support a socialist.

I do not trust Trump, and I feel a little shame about voting for someone who got elected by scapegoating undocumented immigrants and deports with “zero tolerance” (his words). 
But if Pence were the only choice to defend the Constitution I would vote for him and overlook his anti Gay bias. Country first. The Democratic options are literally ludicrous. 

[Twochipigs]

9 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said:

I do not trust Trump, and I feel a little shame about voting for someone who got elected by scapegoating undocumented immigrants and deports with “zero tolerance” (his words). 
But if Pence were the only choice to defend the Constitution I would vote for him and overlook his anti Gay bias. Country first. The Democratic options are literally ludicrous. 

And precisely what parts of the Constitution do you think Trump and Pence are “defending”?

[Pozlover1]

11 minutes ago, Twochipigs said:

And precisely what parts of the Constitution do you think Trump and Pence are “defending”?

The Democrats want to destroy all of it, so there is really no choice. 

[Twochipigs]

2 hours ago, sthrnguy said:

I honestly cannot stand Mr. Trump, but it seems the Democrats are hell bent on nominating a Marxist/Socialist, which I will never vote for, so I guess that my choice has been made for me.  I didn't vote for Trump in '16 (even though I am a life long Republican) but othr than Mr. Biden, it seems that the Democrats are going to force me to vote for Trump by nominating a nutjob like Warren or Sanders.  Its not what I wish, but I will never support a socialist.

Trump has done FAR more damage to this country than ten socialists could.   A socialist president would be constrained by Congress.  Trump isn’t, due to spineless Republicans who support him in the Senate.

Besides, socialists are all about redistributing wealth.  Trump’s tax law redistributed $1 trillion in deficit from future generations to his 1% buddies today.  The current Republican Party is socialist.  It just takes money from the middle class and gives it to billionaires.

Hell, voting for Marianne Williamson would be an improvement.

[Twochipigs]

4 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said:

The Democrats want to destroy all of it, so there is really no choice. 

Be specific.  Don’t just mindlessly parrot the twaddle you hear on Fox News.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Twochipigs

[Guest hungandmean]

3 hours ago, sthrnguy said:

I honestly cannot stand Mr. Trump, but it seems the Democrats are hell bent on nominating a Marxist/Socialist, which I will never vote for, so I guess that my choice has been made for me.  I didn't vote for Trump in '16 (even though I am a life long Republican) but othr than Mr. Biden, it seems that the Democrats are going to force me to vote for Trump by nominating a nutjob like Warren or Sanders.  Its not what I wish, but I will never support a socialist.

I mean...  I cannot stand Trump... he employs people who want to kill gays and he like supports regimes and shit that murder babies but do you know what I cant stand more than murdered babies?? Fucking socialists. Thats just a bridge to fucking far for me -- a reasonable individual.

Literally you could have just responded with, "I'm white and reasonably well off, so I don't really think all the worst of the shit (Pence, Barr, Devoss, and literally dozens of other people in his admin who hate gay people) will effect me so... like fuck those poor people. Why should I pay more taxes for some peasant to get dental???? Fucking freeloaders. Its just insanity. My hands are tied here guys... 

 

 

 

[Guest hungandmean]

1 hour ago, Pozlover1 said:

I do not trust Trump, and I feel a little shame about voting for someone who got elected by scapegoating undocumented immigrants and deports with “zero tolerance” (his words). 
But if Pence were the only choice to defend the Constitution I would vote for him and overlook his anti Gay bias. Country first. The Democratic options are literally ludicrous. 

This is the kind of delusional faggotry that cracks me up the most.

Country first? In the country these motherfuckers are trying to create ---- you aren't fucking part of it. You're as unwelcome as the fucking immigrants you hate... and you fates are the fucking same and the fact that you can't see that at your old age is as disappointing as it is hilarious.

 

[Pozlover1]

I grew up when homosexuality was considered mental illness and was also illegal, so I’m more concerned about PC dogma than Mike Pence. 
I have never wanted to work for people that hated Gays, so I welcome their honesty in telling me up front. 
All your SJW laws against “hate speech” or “discrimination” will eventually result in a Soviet style slave society. 

[Cumfilledbottomboi]

3 hours ago, Pozlover1 said:

The Democrats want to destroy all of it, so there is really no choice. 

Actually, no. They don’t. There is hope for a future where one isn’t hamstrung by healthcare costs. You’re presumably a well-off, middle aged white man and, while a MSM, you have advantages and enjoy the tax breaks (I have too honestly) and do not want to lose those and you seemingly cannot see past your naturally conservative, protect your own finances above all else, mentality. I differ from you in that I’ve lived in poor, socialist third world countries and more modern wealthy countries in ASIA. The man you’re ok with voting in again has more in common with those socialists than ANY Democrat. The entire lot just wants Americans to get Heath choices and other things afforded to most of the citizens of the wealthy countries in the world. Guaranteed healthcare, six weeks of vacation, guaranteed retirement and subsidies for post high school education choices. this could ALL be paid for if we roll back the breaks for the wealthy 1% to where they were before the recent trump cut. If we redistribute budgets for military to other areas. Those countries you’re calling “socialist” (probably Scandinavia) actually pay less income taxes than us for for the same schemes.

[Pozlover1]

Most of the Latin American garbage dumps are the result of  US intervention on behalf of corporations. In other parts of the world, the Bank of England’s payday loan schemes keep dictators in power. 
 I had hoped Donald Trump would make nice with at least our neighbors to the south, but instead chose an inept, formulaic coup attempt to steal the oil and Rare Earth Minerals in Venezuela. 
 A recent CIA plant of premarked ballots in Bolivia to discredit their President has not fooled anyone. 
 There is an anti-US storm brewing in this hemisphere, for good reasons, that will make the Caravans look like West Side Story. 
 I had hoped he would bring all our soldiers home from the Middle East, stop printing money to make  F-35’s and shit, and tackle the corruption of Monsanto and the outrageous medical costs - and - insurance company merry go round of cash. But, no. Their stranglehold on the Government seems to extend to him. “It looks almost like he was actually chosen for this job 30 years ago” LOL.
 

Except none of these things originated with Donald Trump. They have been going full throttle through both Democrat and Republican administrations since before 1900, with an orchestrated recession every ten years to ensure the next brand new “outsider who will fix things” is duly elected by the sheep. 

Don’t fall for it again. The fairyland Utopia that Democrats promise will only benefit the 1% just exactly like the things the Republicans do. The difference is the Democrats will take away the rest of our freedoms and rights, using the hoax of “climate change” and the mantra of “sustainability”. No cars, no meat, no guns, no private homes except for the elite. Your masters’ next instruction will be to beg the UN to “come rescue us”. 

[Twochipigs]

13 minutes ago, Pozlover1 said:

Most of the Latin American garbage dumps are the result of  US intervention on behalf of corporations. In other parts of the world, the Bank of England’s payday loan schemes keep dictators in power. 
 I had hoped Donald Trump would make nice with at least our neighbors to the south, but instead chose an inept, formulaic coup attempt to steal the oil and Rare Earth Minerals in Venezuela. 
 A recent CIA plant of premarked ballots in Bolivia to discredit their President has not fooled anyone. 
 There is an anti-US storm brewing in this hemisphere, for good reasons, that will make the Caravans look like West Side Story. 
 I had hoped he would bring all our soldiers home from the Middle East, stop printing money to make  F-35’s and shit, and tackle the corruption of Monsanto and the outrageous medical costs - and - insurance company merry go round of cash. But, no. Their stranglehold on the Government seems to extend to him. “It looks almost like he was actually chosen for this job 30 years ago” LOL.
 

Except none of these things originated with Donald Trump. They have been going full throttle through both Democrat and Republican administrations since before 1900, with an orchestrated recession every ten years to ensure the next brand new “outsider who will fix things” is duly elected by the sheep. 

Don’t fall for it again. The fairyland Utopia that Democrats promise will only benefit the 1% just exactly like the things the Republicans do. The difference is the Democrats will take away the rest of our freedoms and rights, using the hoax of “climate change” and the mantra of “sustainability”. No cars, no meat, no guns, no private homes except for the elite. Your masters’ next instruction will be to beg the UN to “come rescue us”. 

Bet you look quite studly in your tinfoil hat.

Also, only morons think climate change is a hoax.  The world population has more than doubled in the last 50 years, and it uses far more energy per person as the population becomes more affluent.  To say that isn't affecting the climate is willful ignorance.

[Ranger Rick]

The only time anyone cares about the debt is when the opposite party is in power. As for "constrained by Congress," IIRC, there was another president who said of Congress didn't do what he wanted, he would use his "pen and phone" to rule by Executive Decree. This same president used his executive power to strip college men accused of rape of their Due Process rights under the Constitution.

Both parties are horrible. Both parties are corrupt. Both parties are authoritarian. Fuck them all. 

[Pozlover1]

30 minutes ago, Twochipigs said:

Bet you look quite studly in your tinfoil hat.

Also, only morons think climate change is a hoax.  The world population has more than doubled in the last 50 years, and it uses far more energy per person as the population becomes more affluent.  To say that isn't affecting the climate is willful ignorance.

The real part:

(NASA statistics, look it up). The average temperature has risen 1.4°F since 1880. Most of this is the last 20 years, since China and India have become industrialized.
 

The hoax part:

This will cause all life on earth to die. China and India can pollute all they want but the UN has to tax the USA to save the planet. 
 

.... during WWII the US Government rationed 

cars

gasoline

tires

sugar

meat

coffee

dairy

..... as “unnecessary luxury items” for us but available to the Military.

This is precisely the same items the Elite are pushing for us peons to give up today, “to save the planet”. I bet they will still have them LOL

[sthrnguy]

6 hours ago, hungandmean said:

I mean...  I cannot stand Trump... he employs people who want to kill gays and he like supports regimes and shit that murder babies but do you know what I cant stand more than murdered babies?? Fucking socialists. Thats just a bridge to fucking far for me -- a reasonable individual.

Literally you could have just responded with, "I'm white and reasonably well off, so I don't really think all the worst of the shit (Pence, Barr, Devoss, and literally dozens of other people in his admin who hate gay people) will effect me so... like fuck those poor people. Why should I pay more taxes for some peasant to get dental???? Fucking freeloaders. Its just insanity. My hands are tied here guys... 

 

 

 

Love the identity politics you seem to hold dear.  I am a white guy, my husband and I are reasonably okay (not well off, but own our house, new car truck every few years...)  Mr. Trump has no issues with gays at all.  Hell, the man is a New York socialite who runs in circles full of gays.  His policies have increased my pay check and increased the amount of money my side business clears as well.  The Democrats all want to send my taxes sky rocketing, as much as $6000 per year.  I don't have $500 per month to just give away to fund the green dream or whatever it is.  I have worked every fucking day of my life since I was 15 years old for what I have and I will be damned if I am going to give it away to someone who refuses to help himself.  Again, I don't care for Mr. Trump, but frankly the alternative is much worse.

[Ranger Rick]

Still undecided. If the Democrats nominate someone who supports reasonable economic policies, safe secure borders, and the right to defend myself against homophobes and gay-bashers with firearms, I could vote for that person.