Trump supporters?

[BootmanLA]

16 hours ago, timfreo said:

Trump has done more for America than any President since Reagan. That's just an economic fact. He may be loco crazy, but it worked. The world doesn't need anymore Obama style magic mushroom shit. 

You misspelled "to" as "for".

As for "economic fact", no president in the modern era (since we began keeping unemployment statistics, in other words) will go out of office with fewer jobs than existed when he took office. Not even George W. Bush, whose second term ended in the Great Recession, managed that feat. Trump's the first. He's also the first president to have had more than 1 million new unemployment benefit applications in a single week - and we had 22 of those weeks, including 20 in a row. In ten of those weeks, there were more than 2 million new unemployment claims. In seven of those weeks, there were more than 3 million claims - and two in which there more than 6.5 million new unemployment claims in a single WEEK.

By contrast, prior to the Trump recession, the highest number of new claims EVER in a week was around 500,000. Trump's peak week was THIRTEEN TIMES that.

And at its peak, the unemployment rate under Trump was higher than at any point since the Great Depression in the 1930's.

GDP growth has been no faster under Trump than under Obama. In fact, even before the Trump Recession began, growth was slower over the first three years of his term than over the final three years of Obama's term. And that's AFTER Trump's massive tax cut for the rich, which was supposed to juice the economy - instead, of course, the rich simply pocketed their gains, companies bought back their stock to drive up the price, and the top 10% of households by wealth, who own 85% of the stocks out there, pocketed the proceeds.

That tax giveaway to the rich added $2 trillion in US debt. Digging our way out of the Trump recession has already cost us several trillion more, and will undoubtedly cost us trillions more yet. Even conservative estimates are that Trump will have, in his four years as president, added $8 trillion to the debt - much like he's run his businesses (and bear in mind, most of his biggest prior businesses have gone bankrupt, and he's facing huge balloon debt payments on the rest in just the next few years). 

But hey, at least the stock market is doing well so his rich friends who have six houses can escape New York or wherever and go live in seclusion to avoid Covid. They're about the only people who will end up having "done well" under the "economic facts" of his administration.

 

[BootmanLA]

17 hours ago, takingdeepanal said:

NHS is now more affordable because you poor sods aren't contributing more to the EU than you're receiving in return (50m a day). I agree with having full socialized medicine (with a 1.5% levy if you earn more than $87,240 p.a. Additionally, bill shock should be recognized for what it is (an effort to exterminate the poor). The ACA is fundamentally flawed because it doesn't cover EVERYBODY.

You're not wrong, but part of the problem is that the ACA was what the Democrats in Congress and President Obama were able to pass when facing absolute resistance to *anything* from the Republican Party. The original plans called for a public option, where effectively anyone could opt into a Medicare-like program. Because all 60 Democratic senatorial votes were needed to pass the bill, the objection of one weasel - Joe Lieberman, may his name forever be damned - whose state is home to Aetna and Cigna, among other health insurers was enough to torpedo the public option from the bill.

In addition, the original bill called for a mandatory expansion of Medicaid to cover the working poor, who generally make too much for Medicaid but not nearly enough to afford insurance even if an employer subsidizes it. Combined with subsidies for private insurance for those above the working poor line, up to a reasonable income, and a penalty for not getting coverage you were entitled to, everyone would have been covered except any wealthy people who chose to go without. The courts struck down the mandatory nature of Medicaid expansion thanks to our fucked-up federalism system (where states are sovereign in certain areas) not allowing the federal government to impose those costs on the states.

So it wasn't for lack of trying that the ACA doesn't cover everyone - and I'm fine with replacing it with a more extensive alternative. But until that happens, it's still light years beyond what we had before.

[holefucker]

11 hours ago, nospokenword said:

Trump is the worst American president in my lifetime, but I think Reagan is second worst. Trickle down economics, making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Denying science (let's not forget that Reagan ignored the AIDS crisis and as a result many gay men died). The Republican party has been evil since Goldwater started the neoliberal movement. The only decent republicans in the past 100 years were Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush. I guess Ford wasn't bad (but he sucks for pardoning Nixon). Any LGBTQI2S+ that support Trump are acting against themselves and the community.

In my opinion the only decent human being who has become president since WW2 is Carter. And he got booted after one term. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by holefucker

[C10H15N]

Obviously, politics, including POTUS, isn’t the job for you if you’re a nice person.  

[Guest takingdeepanal]

3 hours ago, holefucker said:

In my opinion the only decent human being who has become president since WW2 is Carter. And he got booted after one term. 

Fuck, I think I'm in love! Agree 1,000,000,000,000,000 per cent

[Guest LiamCart]

I don't care if you love or hate the president.  I just think it's lame trashing the guy when he's in the hospital. At least respect the office of the president. I think it's weird how the news media push their own spin on anything to do with Trump and people just repeat the same hateful talking points instead of thinking for themselves and being a free thinker. Left...right...we all bleed the same and are the same inside. I just know that as a kid I saw my parents almost lose everything when Obama was president and our lives as a family got better financially when Trump became president.  I do disagree with different things he has done like stopping trans people from serving in the military. Other than that what has he done that is so anti-gay? I just feel like you can have a difference of opinion with someone without having to hate on them. Good vibes and love is just better. By saying this I'm not endorsing Trump or Biden or whoever. I personally like the Libertarian party more. But they will prolly never win an election. That does suck. 

[nospokenword]

1 hour ago, mk-ultra said:

Where the hell does the ludicrous use of "fascist" come from? Do you just like the way it sounds?

Can you link me to a speech where he said all women need to get back in the kitchen, or that we should invade Poland and Czechoslovakia? Cause we all must have missed those.

You know what real fascism is. It's when internet moderators and social networks ban all criticism of a religion which is literally only famous for its violence and oppressiveness. They ban you under the false pretense of "civility" (lol). Even while people splutter "URRLLL TRUMP SUPPURRTERS R MORUUUNS" in their Forrest Gump voices, but of course they don't get moderated.

 

I'll tell you what the real "voting against your own interests" is. Any gay who is going to vote Democrat (the party of radical Islam - jew hating, woman beating, gay executing, they want the whole lot, they want to see it happening in every US town by next summer, they want the whole of America looking like Iraq did under ISIS) that is not only "voting against their own interests" you're voting for absolute 1000% suicide. 

What's encouraging though - there are plenty of people here still voicing support for Trump, so the fact that the "moderators" here (who pretty much seem to carry ISIS membership cards) are having to fight us off and block us - that says a lot. Can you imagine ANY time during the Obama era when people here would have said they were Republican supporters? No, of course not. Lots of gays have woken up to the mortifying terrible threat of the ISIScrats, formerly known as "Liberals". 

Don't be surprised if Trump wins even bigger this time, the only reason the Dems even have a CHANCE is because of the pandemic, that means people staying at home so it gives them more cover for their usual mail-in ballot scams. Without the pandemic they would have been toast before we even got to August.

A fascist is someone who puts the economy ahead of individuals health and safety. A fascist is someone who tear gases innocent civilians so he can take a photo ops in front of a church. A fascist is someone who gaslights people by telling them that only he knows the truth (I mean come on, how is anyone serious supposed to believe that a failed casino owner who bankrupted his businesses six times and who the the d-list host of a stupid game show knows more than doctors and scientists?) A fascist is someone who lost the popular vote and never had a mandate to lead trying to rule the country like a king. A fascist is someone who tries to ban people from entering the country based on their religion. A fascist is someone who praises brutal dictators like Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Duterte while harassing long time NATO allies. Trump has never cracked 50% approval. The only scandal in the American media is that they treat Trump like a normal democratically elected leader when in fact he represents a minority of the country. The only reason he ever came to occupy the White House is because of outdated rules put in place to give out-sized electoral power to slave states. 

Finally, if you get reported, it isn't because you support a candidate that most Americans think is a vile human. It is probably because you include things like religious bigotry, such as in your reply to me. Have a nice day.

[BootmanLA]

On 10/3/2020 at 4:50 PM, holefucker said:

In my opinion the only decent human being who has become president since WW2 is Carter. And he got booted after one term. 

While I don't disagree that Carter is probably the MOST decent human being we've had since WW2, I think it's a question of degree, and what you consider 'decent'. 

Truman was pretty decent. In fact, he was so decent that when he stepped down as president, he had no source of support (because he believed it would demean the presidency to either give paid speeches or sit on corporate boards). Eisenhower, though he was from the opposite party, thought that was appalling and pushed Congress to create the first presidential pension.

Eisenhower himself was pretty decent. We now know he'd had a long-time affair, but he kept it very discreet.

I can forgive Ford for pardoning Nixon - it was an earlier, simpler time, and I think a public fight over indicting Nixon for his crimes and the spectacle of a former president already forced to resign sitting trial in federal court would have really damaged the nation. 

And I think GHW Bush was fairly decent as well. Certainly the last GOP president who even could be considered for that adjective.

[BootmanLA]

15 hours ago, LiamCart said:

I just know that as a kid I saw my parents almost lose everything when Obama was president and our lives as a family got better financially when Trump became president. 

I'm curious how that could be. Obama inherited the worst recessionary economy since the Great Depression and managed to stem it, reverse it, and led during seven years of increasing prosperity. Are you sure your parents didn't "almost lose everything" thanks to the Bush recession?

And if they almost lost everything, how have they made it up in just the last 3 years? What, specifically, can you point to that Trump did that changed your family's fortunes?

[Starwood]

On 10/3/2020 at 2:22 AM, takingdeepanal said:

NHS is now more affordable because you poor sods aren't contributing more to the EU than you're receiving in return (50m a day). 

Oh give me a fucking break.

That £350 million that Vote Leave promised was a fucking lie and they knew it. Even the Office for National Statistics called foul. It ignores the rebate AND all the money the UK got in grants from the EU. The true figure is about £100 m / week.

It was an open goal and Remain missed. Jesus wept.

But that proves my point . What hot button did Vote Leave use to get the public attention/ support ?...NHS 

As a life long Conservative (yes honestly), I will never vote Tory whist Johnson is leader.

[Ranger Rick]

[think before following links] https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-applauds-poll-showing-45-percent-support-among-gay-men-n1240633

[Guest takingdeepanal]

2 hours ago, Starwood said:

Oh give me a fucking break.

That £350 million that Vote Leave promised was a fucking lie and they knew it. Even the Office for National Statistics called foul. It ignores the rebate AND all the money the UK got in grants from the EU. The true figure is about £100 m / week.

It was an open goal and Remain missed. Jesus wept.

But that proves my point . What hot button did Vote Leave use to get the public attention/ support ?...NHS 

As a life long Conservative (yes honestly), I will never vote Tory whist Johnson is leader.

A "United Europe" was the dream of a couple of former corporals - and revived because a certain Conservative PM who was in power from 1970 to 1974 reportedly liked young boys ...

The amount is still 9 figures - which could have been better spent elsewhere.

[BootmanLA]

5 hours ago, Ranger Rick said:

[think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-applauds-poll-showing-45-percent-support-among-gay-men-n1240633

From Hornet's own story:

"As Hornet’s survey results have now been widely reported on, it’s important to note what can and should be extrapolated from this data — or, better yet, what cannot be and what should not be. Hornet’s survey was a voluntary, opt-in survey of 10,000 Hornet users; those users received a one-minute survey in their Hornet inbox. It’s important to acknowledge the obvious inherent biases that come with any opt-in survey, and for that reason, one must be careful in unfairly extrapolating from the data itself.

It would simply not be proper to extrapolate from an opt-in survey such as this a prediction of voter turnout in the 2020 U.S. election — by the greater LGBTQ community, or by the gay community more specifically. In effect, the only thing truly measured by Hornet’s results are the opinions of those Hornet users who chose to take the survey, not the broader Hornet user base, not gay American men, and most definitely not the broader American LGBTQ community. To infer that from the below data would be flawed."

Also from the story:

"Of the 10,000 men Hornet surveyed, 12% identified themselves as U.S. citizens. Of those 1,200 American men, 51% answered they would be voting for Joe Biden in the upcoming presidential election, while 45% — just shy of one-half — said they would be casting their ballot for Donald Trump."

So it wasn't really 10,000 men with opinions that matter; it was 1,200 (I'm assuming those are rough numbers, otherwise they're suspiciously round). And nowhere in this does it say how many people actually responded to this opt-in non-poll.

In other words, it's one more steaming pile of bullshit from Trumpanzees.

[Starwood]

6 hours ago, takingdeepanal said:

A "United Europe" was the dream of a couple of former corporals - and revived because a certain Conservative PM who was in power from 1970 to 1974 reportedly liked young boys ...

The amount is still 9 figures - which could have been better spent elsewhere.

Not when we are the 3rd largest economy in Europe and it gave us access to the 2nd largest trading block on the planet. One that is 26 miles away from us.

We are going way off OP topic here.

I know the Brexit thing was a slow train crash coming. The UK joined a custom union, not a untied Europe, which was always the intention. God knows the EU was not perfect, never said it was.But to walk away from the EU and the benefits it gave us, is in my opinion, insanity. One we are going to regret for a couple of generations before we plead to be readmission.

[holefucker]

14 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

While I don't disagree that Carter is probably the MOST decent human being we've had since WW2, I think it's a question of degree, and what you consider 'decent'. 

Truman was pretty decent. In fact, he was so decent that when he stepped down as president, he had no source of support (because he believed it would demean the presidency to either give paid speeches or sit on corporate boards). Eisenhower, though he was from the opposite party, thought that was appalling and pushed Congress to create the first presidential pension.

Eisenhower himself was pretty decent. We now know he'd had a long-time affair, but he kept it very discreet.

I can forgive Ford for pardoning Nixon - it was an earlier, simpler time, and I think a public fight over indicting Nixon for his crimes and the spectacle of a former president already forced to resign sitting trial in federal court would have really damaged the nation. 

And I think GHW Bush was fairly decent as well. Certainly the last GOP president who even could be considered for that adjective.

I'm afraid that that whole episode where he vaporized 200,000 innocent civilians lowers my opinion of Truman.