Sad news today

[skinster]

3 minutes ago, 120DaysofSodom said:

I think you underestimate the power of the masses.

Negative. I know that country VERY WELL. Let's just leave it at that.

I will advise you to not speculate on your own accord if you have never studied the original works of V.I.Lenin, Karl Marx, Friedich Engels, or at minimum Dialectics of Marxism at the better Uni level. The anarcho-neo-socialism bravado of your generation has ended with Occupy Wall Street, and I don't give a flying fuck how much flack I get for that. It is over for them.

3 minutes ago, 120DaysofSodom said:

There are monumental protests breaking out all over Russia, which has a history rich with reinventing itself.

I can't tell which propaganda side you are listening to - that is not even interesting.

Russian history is moving in 50-70 year chunks that are cyclical, and this is one of those cycles. They have successfully created a new enemy for state propaganda, and now everything will be thrown at defeating that enemy, what will starve the people in return. The return to more liberal society will take 2 more generations of misery for the people.

If you don't see the return of the Iron Curtain in the financial sanctions that are just now being announced and that the world overnight (just not overnight for Russia) is yet again is on the brink of a nuclear war in Europe, you need to go to school and pay attention studying.

Independent sources in Russia published yesterday stats for the first 3 days cumulatively of "monumental" protests - 12 to 25 THOUSAND people on the streets country-wide, 1700+ arrests for public disobedience, et al. (which is pretty high IMO - around 10% mark of showing). In the country of 145 MILLION. Where is the monument you're talking about? Everybody is just fuming on social media - that's it. The only mass response I see is from the volunteer response to the Ukrainian army and people stacking on Molotov cocktails in Kiyv, not Russia. Have you inquired, or you believe 1 source for your info needs?

I have multiple contacts in Moscow myself, I am well aware of what is happening, but I will not overestimate the enthusiasm, if anyone is even practicing it right now.

 

[120DaysofSodom]

19 minutes ago, skinster said:

Negative. I know that country VERY WELL. Let's just leave it at that.

I will advise you to not speculate on your own accord if you have never studied the original works of V.I.Lenin, Karl Marx, Friedich Engels, or at minimum Dialectics of Marxism at the better Uni level. The anarcho-neo-socialism bravado of your generation has ended with Occupy Wall Street, and I don't give a flying fuck how much flack I get for that. It is over for them.

I can't tell which propaganda side you are listening to - that is not even interesting.

Russian history is moving in 50-70 year chunks that are cyclical, and this is one of those cycles. They have successfully created a new enemy for state propaganda, and now everything will be thrown at defeating that enemy, what will starve the people in return. The return to more liberal society will take 2 more generations of misery for the people.

If you don't see the return of the Iron Curtain in the financial sanctions that are just now being announced and that the world overnight (just not overnight for Russia) is yet again is on the brink of a nuclear war in Europe, you need to go to school and pay attention studying.

Independent sources in Russia published yesterday stats for the first 3 days cumulatively of "monumental" protests - 12 to 25 THOUSAND people on the streets country-wide, 1700+ arrests for public disobedience, et al. (which is pretty high IMO - around 10% mark of showing). In the country of 145 MILLION. Where is the monument you're talking about? Everybody is just fuming on social media - that's it. The only mass response I see is from the volunteer response to the Ukrainian army and people stacking on Molotov cocktails in Kiyv, not Russia. Have you inquired, or you believe 1 source for your info needs?

I have multiple contacts in Moscow myself, I am well aware of what is happening, but I will not overestimate the enthusiasm, if anyone is even practicing it right now.

 

I took an entire course on Marx and Engels in my undergrad as an elective, and fail to see what point you're trying to make by saying, "unless you've read this, you cant speculate on this". You aren't the only person alive that has had to read that boring tripe. I also don't know why you brought up Occupy Wall Street...

And attacking my education when I have two degrees, graduating Magna Cum Laude. I went to school to be a nurse, not to study Marx and Engels. Reading and history is a hobby. But im not really interested in engaging in a conversation about whose dick is bigger.

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by 120DaysofSodom

[Qilly55]

On 2/25/2022 at 1:25 PM, ErosWired said:

Really?

The previous occupant of the Oval Office basically tried to dismantle NATO, tried to extort Ukraine’s security for political profit, and french-kissed Putin’s ass while the entire planet watched. Twice. You cannot simply change the subject at this point and holler ‘weak’ at the current president and expect to be taken seriously.

The previous occupant is the man currently under multiple probes for criminal financial wrongdoing, quite apart from that little incident where he attempted to overthrow a free and fair election through violence, subterfuge, incitement and insurrection. And he’s still trying. But that’s not madness at all, is it?

You haven’t seen anything like this in 70 years? Allow me to acquaint you, Mr. Van Winkle, with the Cold War, which you evidently slept through, and a little incident known as the Bay of Pigs, in which the Soviets attempted to flex their muscle in Cuba. They had nukes. We had nukes. We came damn close to blowing up the whole fucking planet. Today, they have nukes. We have nukes, and they are very, very well aware of it. They are no more interested in ending up as a radioactive pile of cinders and ash than we are. It’s called Mutually Assured Destruction, and it’s still very much in effect, so detente still has some influence. Not something the Tangerine Tyrant would have had the sophistication to understand - the world was in far greater peril during the four years that he had his finger on the Big Red Button than it is at this moment.

Any weakness in the Western Alliance can be laid squarely at the feet of the previous administration, which actively sought to break down bonds of global cooperation and security, and not the present one, which has to clean up the godawful mess left behind.

Just what, precisely, would you have us do at this point? I’m sure that if you have a foolproof solution to this conundrum, the world would be glad to hear it. Do you have a plan in mind that would send the Russians back across their borders never to return? Do you have a strategy to satisfy Putin’s power-lust driven by his lunatic revisionist view of history? What kind of “strength” do you propose using that won’t come at a gruesome cost in lives lost? When your 70 years of wisdom comes up with something useful, let us know.

Right,  all Trump's fault ,right? He wanted NATO to pay what they said they would. And guess what ,they did.

Change the channel once in a while and listen to the other side. These people in charge now are laughing at us. Do you really believe they care about us?

He laughs, she laughs..he has no clue .none.

 

 

 

[BannedWord]

On 2/26/2022 at 7:00 PM, ohmalewhore said:

Well let me spell this out for you all who don't seem to comprehend simple English. Those two words were used in their proper order for a reason. I fully believe that as a Constitutional Republic it is the government's duty to protect our freedoms, obey the Constitution as written - not as some egghead from Harvard Law thinks the Founding Fathers meant. If the idea can't be found in their own words via the Constitution or various other writings such as The Federalist Papers, then they didn't say it and didn't mean it. So the Federal obeys the Constitution, which means everything else falls under the 10th Amendment - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I probably should have spelled out more that my remark was tongue-in-cheek and meant to be so ridiculous as to be laughable. Otherwise, we really agree on our respective perspectives far, far more than disagree.

Especially with Biden's commitment to have a black, female Supreme Court nominee. Heck, let's go for her being a lesbian cripple and we get every EEOC base covered in one shot. 😂🤣😂 (Yes, that was intended to be a joke because in candor he's really exploiting race and gender as an issue in the selection process by contorting the process of selection and creating an artificially limited selection pool). 

[BannedWord]

[fuckholedc]

18 hours ago, 120DaysofSodom said:

I think you underestimate the power of the masses. There are monumental protests breaking out all over Russia, which has a history rich with reinventing itself. I have a friend in Moscow that has been showing me videos of the protests there. Theyre enormous. You cant arrest a land mass. Russians dont want Putin. They know who he is and how he has held onto power for so long. There are ways for people in nations like these with immense censorship to circumvent restrictions on what theyre allowed to watch. The same can be said for Iran. Persians dont want the Ayatollah. The youth know what theyre living under.

The best estimate is thus far 60% of Russians seem to support Putin overall and 40% are in opposition.  The opposition always overestimates it's support.  Thus far the apparatus of the state is still behind Putin although the move placing nuclear forces on high alert may horrify enough people to change that (and this could easily have unanticipated results). 

[fuckholedc]

18 hours ago, skinster said:

Negative. I know that country VERY WELL. Let's just leave it at that.

I will advise you to not speculate on your own accord if you have never studied the original works of V.I.Lenin, Karl Marx, Friedich Engels, or at minimum Dialectics of Marxism at the better Uni level. The anarcho-neo-socialism bravado of your generation has ended with Occupy Wall Street, and I don't give a flying fuck how much flack I get for that. It is over for them.

 

It is true that the last gasp of the possibility of the US moving to a democracy was destroyed with the R and D destruction of the Occupy movement, at least for the next 20 years.  The general forces of US authoritarianism, esp. in the R party, are dominant (D inclined Americans are not aware how deeply they also tend to be inclined to authoritarianism - it's an American blindspot).

 Putin is all about the reestablishment of the Russian Empire in some form but is most definitely *NOT* interested in Marxism.  Interesting that some Americans are incapable of interpreting the Russian myths driving Putin's idiocy without invoking the Marxist/Communist shibboleth.   But this is because Americans in general have a very restricted view of the world (in fact Europeans do also since they also did not understand the  Russian myths driving Putin).  

You are correct that thus far we do not see any significant push-back against Putin inside Russia but we are also not getting an accurate view of events there.

 

[faggotsub]

On 2/26/2022 at 11:51 PM, ErosWired said:

Global slaughter of pigs annually: 1.3 billion.

Global slaughter of sheep annually: 602 million.

Just sayin’.

Time to go huntin

btw your suck an AH   "JUST SAYIN"  LOOKS LIKE IM IN THE MAJORITY ON THAT

[ErosWired]

Stepping back from the center of the topic for a moment - it just struck me as sort of remarkable that this one topic begun on an observation about the regrettable state of affairs in a country under attack should generate a combined tally of no less than 18 downvotes in four pages of post comment. All the red makes the topic look (fittingly, I suppose) like a war zone.

Given that nothing we say here on a forum for bareback fucking is going to make one bean worth of difference to what is happening on the ground in Ukraine (unless someone here happens to be fucking Vladimir Putin…who is fucking Putin, for that matter?) the more interesting question this brings to my mind is:

If you discover that a guy’s politics are the total opposite of your own, does that make you absolutely not want to fuck him? Or does it make you want to fuck him harder?

(Apologies to @hntnhole, and the people of Ukraine, for this highly inappropriate tangent from the main topic.)

[TwinkChaserSlut]

I approach it with an "agree to disagree" sense of diplomacy when it comes to politics & religion. If I receive the same, consideration & courtesy in return, it can be a really good experience. I have little tolerance for political & PC bullies. I imagine that in some situations though, a dude who is a dickhead personality could also be sensational in the sack. 👅 

Edited March 1, 2022 by TwinkChaserSlut

[hntnhole]

5 hours ago, ErosWired said:

(Apologies to @hntnhole, and the people of Ukraine, for this highly inappropriate tangent from the main topic.)

Thanks, but not necessary.  Sometimes these threads take on a life of their own, and diverge into other thought-trains.  I'm as guilty of that as any guy, I suppose.  Your thoughts are always welcome and appreciated by all of us.  

[skinster]

On 2/28/2022 at 3:37 AM, fuckholedc said:

The best estimate is thus far 60% of Russians seem to support Putin overall and 40% are in opposition.  The opposition always overestimates it's support.  Thus far the apparatus of the state is still behind Putin although the move placing nuclear forces on high alert may horrify enough people to change that (and this could easily have unanticipated results). 

This is probably very true for numbers. At the same time you need to account for absolutely massive squeeze on descent inside Russia. No viable opposition organizations left without "Undesired element" status or "Foreign Agent" designation, which limits their ability to operate financially and organizationally. Single most famous opposition leader is in jail on trumped up multiple charges, most others are pushed out of the country. The law and enforcement agencies reign in full force, and with the slim pickings for law, smaller infraction bring stronger punishment and stronger resentment. The strategic nuclear forces on high alert is only part of a global propaganda campaign for defense of the motherland under attack. That was in response to some"offensive words" Putler heard from the West. Rockets in response for words - I have not much left of my mind to boggle any more. Most people in the US have no idea what they had at hand before they started pulling monuments off pedestals. This fucker is willing and would knock off all pedestals. Everywhere.

On 2/28/2022 at 3:52 AM, fuckholedc said:

 The general forces of US authoritarianism, esp. in the R party, are dominant (D inclined Americans are not aware how deeply they also tend to be inclined to authoritarianism - it's an American blindspot).

The American left is even more blind to authoritarianism than the right, and they are much more willing to instigate it domestically.

The same rejection of descent within their midst, inability to handle difference of opinion, inability to argue their own point but to scream and shut people out instead, the whole PC business, unwillingness to find the facts, "safe spaces", and the same onslaught of approved talking points or language. Plain, exemplary, everyday fascism, accepted everywhere - don't leave home without it. Any fringe group that was extreme but went Mainstream in the last 2 years - all show the same symptoms. The rest in the major media are eating that up smacking their lips - they have nothing else of their own to offer.

On 2/28/2022 at 3:52 AM, fuckholedc said:

Putin is all about the reestablishment of the Russian Empire in some form but is most definitely *NOT* interested in Marxism.  Interesting that some Americans are incapable of interpreting the Russian myths driving Putin's idiocy without invoking the Marxist/Communist shibboleth.   But this is because Americans in general have a very restricted view of the world (in fact Europeans do also since they also did not understand the  Russian myths driving Putin).

I'd note that it's not Russian Empire (while that also existed and fell to the Bolsheviks in 1917 after 2 revolutions transitioning to a Civil War there) but some re-institution of the Soviet Empire that Putler is after. All the talk of masses and working classes and socialist romanticism is from Marxism before and after 1917. Then it had been vanquished. That is where most bridge it into much later Soviet era, when authoritarianism by Joe Stalin exterminated the masses and instituted the layered repressive state that Putler is reinvigorating all these decades after. Again, lack of comprehension and detail just shows a need for better level of attention, professors first. If there is a will. There is also a cram-session Disney version available.

But beyond his ugly strife to leave his mark in history, Putler's done the opposite - nobody wants to touch it now. Fucked it up for the whole country and for generations.

 

[skinster]

13 hours ago, ErosWired said:

... it just struck me as sort of remarkable that this one topic begun on an observation about the regrettable state of affairs in a country under attack should generate a combined tally of no less than 18 downvotes in four pages of post comment. All the red makes the topic look (fittingly, I suppose) like a war zone.

I agree. Politics on a sex forum usually doesn't make good bedfellows, but that ratio has changed. I imagine like real life did as well.

[tallslenderguy]

Great interview 

 

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[BootmanLA]

On 2/27/2022 at 9:19 PM, TheSRQDude said:

(Yes, that was intended to be a joke because in candor he's really exploiting race and gender as an issue in the selection process by contorting the process of selection and creating an artificially limited selection pool). 

Every president prior to Lyndon Johnson created an artificially limited selection pool - white men. No women or Blacks (or Hispanics, or anyone else) were considered.

Moreover, for more than a century, it was an unwritten rule that there could only be one Catholic justice on the Court at a time, and it was well understood by all presidents and the Senates to whom they submitted nominees for confirmation that second or other Catholics would be rejected. For almost a century and a half, there was effectively a "no Jews" rule, and once that "rule" was broken, the same deal applied as for Catholics: no more than one at a time, with the remainder all Protestant (white men).

Anyone who thinks that the pool of black women who could serve on the Supreme Court is too thin for consideration, or who think there's some sort of magic "you must be this qualified to ride this ride" measuring stick, is a fool. George HW Bush didn't select Clarence Thomas because he was "the best candidate" for the job; he picked him because he was the only Black judge with any conservative credentials. Ronald Reagan specifically promised to appoint a woman to the Court, at a time when women lawyers represented 8% of the legal profession and an even smaller percentage of the nation's judges.