Twisted Fetish: Tricking bottoms into topping

[blackrobe]

1 hour ago, Poz50something said:

I dunno….as a vers guy, sometimes I appreciate a bottom, especially one with a raging hardon, who takes the initiative to switch roles. [...]
I think guys get too invested in their assigned roles and don’t want to even try. 

I'm sure guys might appreciate a bottom pinch-hitting, but that's not at all what the OP meant. There is no equivalence between your "volunteer" scenario and the OP's scenario.

Assigned roles? I'm wired the way I'm wired. I don't experience being a bottom as a choice. When someone tells me I'm selfish or tries to shame or manipulate me because I won't "be more versatile" it baffles and irritates the fuck out of me.

No one is entitled to someone else's dick. 

[Poz50something]

1 hour ago, pupHawaii said:

my role wasn't "assigned" by anyone .. 

perhaps the word should have been ‘preferred’? 

[Poz50something]

13 minutes ago, blackrobe said:

I'm sure guys might appreciate a bottom pinch-hitting, but that's not at all what the OP meant. There is no equivalence between your "volunteer" scenario and the OP's scenario.

Assigned roles?  
 

Like I said, the word should be ‘preferred’….but as for being entitled to someone else’s cock…. Very aware that I have to earn it. It’s just that I was exclusively a bottom in my 20s and 30s….discovered I loved and was good at fucking with hubs, and then am now a top because so many of my partners ask for it. Maybe it’s me not quite accepting that I top now more often. That’s all. 

[Poz50something]

25 minutes ago, blackrobe said:

There is no equivalence between your "volunteer" scenario and the OP's 

Ok I reread it and they’re not the same scenarios. I was kinda taken aback by the responses, and they’re seemed a little bit much, but yeah I kinda understand the frustration. 

[NWUSHorny]

My experience as a verse guy who loves to flip, is that generally bottoms are much more committed to their role than tops. I've never been in a fuckbud type situation with a top that did not agree to flipping with me within the first few fuck sessions. I wouldn't call it trickery, but I'm also guilty of going to orgies and fuck venues and offering my loads to bottoms willing to flip, in that situation I never make the offer until I'm balls deep in their ass. 

[SomewhereonNeptune]

17 hours ago, partying.hard said:

Maybe because you advertise yourself as vers/top?  🤷🏼‍♂️

I'd think if you say you were a Vers/Top, there's some component of 'Vers" that suggests in the right situation that person would bottom. And vice-versa if someone says they're Vers/Bottom, there's some chance that they'll top. I've topped all my life, but I list Vers/Top because...well, honestly, I might enjoy switching roles if I get the right vibe from someone. Or they're just so hot I want them fucking me. 😈

On 3/13/2025 at 11:56 AM, ellentonboy said:

Tops are like buses, if you miss one, there is always another one around the corner.

So are bottoms like buses, where everyone gets to ride?  🤣 (Sorry, open door there, couldn't resist). 

21 hours ago, hntnhole said:

I think most of us have had similar experiences at some point - Tops, bottoms. verse, you name it.  

What I don't understand though, is why on earth a guy would tell some other guy that he's X, when he's committedly Y.  (T or B or both).  

I've had guys in the fuckjoints start in on my ass, and I always quietly but firmly tell them no thanks.  And I do NOT have anything interesting to look at back there. 

Yeah, I kinda doubt in the fuckjoints that anyone's getting on a Christmas Card basis with someone, or chatting and asking "What's your sign". Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so maybe someone is finding something interesting (or feeling) since guys might not pick up on subtle clues. We're pretty straightforward.  But to the other points, if someone tells me they're somehow Vers, I take them at their word. You always get to decide 'yes or no'. Maybe your vibe is "Total Top" and Vers actually doesn't come into play for you?

[ellentonboy]

I know there are guys who advertise themselves as vers/bttm and it has been my experience that in almost every occasion, they decided to go the bottom route. That's fine, that is their decision, and like I have said, I don't like pressuring someone into doing something they don't want to do.

Now I have been at group parties or house parties, where there has been a guy who has been topping the entire time.  Yet when someone else entered the house, he suddenly had the urge to bottom and put on a show for all to see. I do believe there are guys who lean heavily towards the top side, but on occasion will bottom for someone they feel is incredibly attractive or has some other attribute they haven't found in other tops online or in the area.  However when it comes to the vers/bttm issue, I have never had a situation where a bottom suddenly has this earth shattering revelation and stands up and says "I am going to top".  It has never happened in my presence.

Maybe I am going to the wrong parties, I don't know.

[hntnhole]

52 minutes ago, ellentonboy said:

I do believe there are guys who lean heavily towards the top side, but on occasion will bottom for someone they feel is incredibly attractive or has some other attribute they haven't found in other tops online or in the area.

Completely correct.  

I've mentioned prior that when covid came dancing down the road, and everyone was afraid of everyone else, another top buddy and I got through that mess by agreeing to take each other's cock occasionally.  Neither of us cared for it, but then, that wasn't the point.  We knew each other fairly well - lived quite close to each other, and came to an agreement to lessen the chances of catching a dread disease.  Neither of is cared much for taking the other guy's load, but at least each of us got some Hole.  Besides - his Cock was on the thin side, so it wasn't all that uncomfortable.  And fucking with those face masks on was downright weird.  But, we're both alive and well today, and we both got at least something during that pandemic. 

Would either of us suddenly up and decide we're bottoms?  Or Verse?  Hell no.  But, putting up with something we didn't care for was better than nothing but jerking it.  

[AirmaxUK]

1 hour ago, ellentonboy said:

I know there are guys who advertise themselves as vers/bttm and it has been my experience that in almost every occasion, they decided to go the bottom route. That's fine, that is their decision, and like I have said, I don't like pressuring someone into doing something they don't want to do.

Now I have been at group parties or house parties, where there has been a guy who has been topping the entire time.  Yet when someone else entered the house, he suddenly had the urge to bottom and put on a show for all to see. I do believe there are guys who lean heavily towards the top side, but on occasion will bottom for someone they feel is incredibly attractive or has some other attribute they haven't found in other tops online or in the area.  However when it comes to the vers/bttm issue, I have never had a situation where a bottom suddenly has this earth shattering revelation and stands up and says "I am going to top".  It has never happened in my presence.

Maybe I am going to the wrong parties, I don't know.

Speaking as someone who identifies as a "vers/btm"  I will say that my default position is btm - but as the years go by competition is more and more intense.  The vers bit is that I'd totally flip for the right guy - It's not an optimal outcome, but I'd rather that than go home unfulfilled.  When guys make an effort to get you to flip - that's nice as it shows desire. What isn't a turn on is when bottoms are indifferent to the guys they want to be topped by.  That seems to come with the "cumdump culture".  

[hungry_hole]

On 3/14/2025 at 4:36 PM, AirmaxUK said:

I will say that my default position is btm - but as the years go by competition is more and more intense.

I enjoyed taking anon loads at the sauna when there was very little competition because bottoms were afraid of HIV. 

I became a popular bottom at the local sauna when guys discovered they could deposit their load in my hole. In those days guys would ask "Can I cum inside?" and I would usually say "Yes, and go deep when you shoot".

 

 

I never used to see the high number of guys willing to bottom that I see now in saunas and parks. At the saunas it seems that everyone is a bareback bottom on PrEP willing to take anon loads.