Pope Leone XIV Doesn't Approve of Homos' Lifestyle Choices (even when we go natural)

[nanana]

 The first American Pope Leone XIV (was Robert Francis Cardinal Prevost from Chicago) is described as a fierce opponent of same-sex marriage and gender studies in classrooms.  "Peace be with all of you!" - the first words of the 267th Bishop of Rome.  Sounds as if he has taken actions against these things he doesn't like rather than co-existing.  And the wheels of the Popemobile turn like lady fortune....  I  am not Catholic but did appreciate Pope Francis' ability to co-exist even if he didn't approve of things, even pursue reconciliation and love.  

[viking8x6]

Apparently, like many other Americans, he has difficulty with some of the shorter words in English. "All", for example.

[ellentonboy]

26 minutes ago, nanana said:

 The first American Pope Leone XIV (was Robert Francis Cardinal Prevost from Chicago) is described as a fierce opponent of same-sex marriage and gender studies in classrooms.  "Peace be with all of you!" - the first words of the 267th Bishop of Rome.  Sounds as if he has taken actions against these things he doesn't like rather than co-existing.  And the wheels of the Popemobile turn like lady fortune....  I  am not Catholic but did appreciate Pope Francis' ability to co-exist even if he didn't approve of things, even pursue reconciliation and love.  

Curious as to where you got your information that he is a “fierce opponent of same-sex marriage and gender studies in the classroom”. Has he published articles on his opinions?  Francis would not approve of same sex marriages but it was known he would not interfere if a priest was willing to “bless” a same sex union.

[nanana]

It's definitely not deep knowledge on my part, I had never heard of him.  The quotes from the NYTimes say he expressed disappointment that some Western media held "sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel," in particular, the "homosexual lifestyle" and "alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their adopted children."  Prevost also opposed a government plan in Peru to add gender studies instruction in classrooms, telling local media "The promotion of gender ideology is confusing, because it seeks to create genders that don’t exist."  But it is a first impression.  Often people exhibit many dimensions, and it is very hard to summarize an entire future-life from past actions.  I  am personally more concerned not about his beliefs but about how he puts them into action; hoping non-violence/tolerance will inform his actions.  The NYTimes has been wrong before...  

Here's his twitter feed if folks wish to do more research: 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:48 PM by nanana
Added twitter feed...

[topblkmale]

 

Leave Pope Leone XIV alone.

He just had to sit on a rim seat and have his balls checked by an assortment of Cardinals.

 

[RotzBBengel]

2 minutes ago, topblkmale said:

 

Leave Pope Leone XIV alone.

He just had to sit on a rim seat and have his balls checked by an assortment of Cardinals.

 

Thanks to Pope Joan, they gotta make sure the Pope ain't got a pussy... 

[RubberAustria]

How much did uncle Donald pay to the other cardinals? And Leo had a strange look. I think he was huffing on poppers on the rim seat. Amen.

[SomewhereonNeptune]

I wish him well, and it seems like the conclave coalesced around a new Pope in nearly record time. As a New Yorker, I'd hoped for Dolan as he's more charismatic and pragmatic in nature, but having a Pope from the US is a pretty big step for an institution that has almost never gone outside Europe for a choice. 

For those unaware, the Methodist Church came through a schism that basically split the church into factions that supported full inclusion of LGBTQIA++ persons, and those who took a harder line. And there are a lot fewer Methodist churches as a result (an Aunt's church recently split into a non-denominational aligned with old Methodism). What I hope is that the pendulum doesn't swing so far as to create another schism in the Catholic Church. A number of commentators are suggesting that his views align with Francis who really edged the church toward being more liberal (Catholicism doesn't change quickly or radically, so don't expect married Catholic clergy or gay weddings in our lifetimes), so guess we'll see how it plays out. 

[SFCumdog]

I'm not sure why anybody in our community even cares at this point. They have no authority over me. And it's also not like we are ever going to change their thinking. So why waste the energy.

But that said, change happens glacially, and people sometimes say one thing until they get into a position of authority, and then they can sing a very different tune when no one else is lording over them. For those to whom it still somehow matters, I'd take a wait and see approach. Francis turned out to be far better than could have ever been expected.

[pupHawaii]

Pope Leone XIV?  All the news reports I've seen show his name as Pope Leo XIV.  He's been "in office" a few hours - give him a chance before bashing him.   

[PozTalkAuthor]

I agree with the fact we shouldn't care; at least theoretically, I personally don't give a damn about what religious leaders think of world citizens' sexuality.

This said, even Francis apparently seemed open-minded but he wanted to attract more folks into the church.

His words towards homosexuality and trans, he welcomed us but always as sinners! Always people judged by the divinity.

And this is a trap! The real progress would be if religion completely STOPS to create rules on human sexuality.

The main problem however, is that politicians all over the world lick the church's boots, so, they create laws influenced by their thinking. The consequence is they don't have any authority on our singular actions but in the end all of this involves all of us.

I'm sorry, I might offend someone now but I resigned:

hoping that religions stop ruling sexuality and moralizing the masses, seems like someone struggling to teach shit not to stink.

Did I give the idea?

To avoid misunderstandings: I am not rudely talking about people's faith. I have nothing against someone believing in Christ, then God, then Allah or whatever they want.

I am against religious institutions. Against men self-defining the voice of divinities.

Those folks are ambitious and want power!

So, by definition, what's the more effective way to keep the power for themselves? Control everyone "under" them.

That's why it's IMPOSSIBLE to hope that religion changes its mindset!

[harrysmith25]

Oh no I should be really worried, after all UK business are always installing prayer rooms for Catholics.

Oh wait

[nanana]

On 5/8/2025 at 7:06 PM, pupHawaii said:

Pope Leone XIV?  All the news reports I've seen show his name as Pope Leo XIV.  He's been "in office" a few hours - give him a chance before bashing him.   

I  got that spelling from some initial reports, even the Vatican website (I    think), but I    revisited them, and they have all normalized around the English spelling at least in English.  A lion in sheep's silk robes, but so far, generally I LOVE everything he has said since he has become Pope, against war, admonishing journalists to promote peace rather than whip up hatred, and be cautious with but enter the digital fray.  I hope he takes up the challenge to Pope Francis to go to Gaza.  Judgement withheld, but hope springing again.  [think before following links] https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope.html

[topblkmale]

13 minutes ago, nanana said:

I  got that spelling from some initial reports, even the Vatican website (I    think), but I    revisited them, and they have all normalized around the English spelling at least in English.  A lion in sheep's silk robes, but so far, generally I LOVE everything he has said since he has become Pope, against war, admonishing journalists to promote peace rather than whip up hatred, and be cautious with but enter the digital fray.  I hope he takes up the challenge to Pope Francis to go to Gaza.  Judgement withheld, but hope springing again.  [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope.html

 

The Pope's name changes in some cases based on local language. 

In México, Pope John Paul II is Juan Pablo segundo.

Francis > Francisco

Benedict > Benedicto

 

In Italian, "Pope Leo" is translated as "Papa Leone". 

This is the standard way to refer to a pope named Leo in Italian, whether it's Pope Leo I, Pope Leo XIII, or any other Pope with the name Leo.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by topblkmale

[brnbk]

 

On 5/8/2025 at 2:06 PM, nanana said:

 The first American Pope Leone XIV (was Robert Francis Cardinal Prevost from Chicago) is

On 5/8/2025 at 4:41 PM, SomewhereonNeptune said:

is a pretty big step for an institution that has almost never gone outside Europe for a choice. 

He is the second American pope as Pope Francis his predecessor was also from a country on the American continent- Argentina,  and not from Europe.  He is the first pope from the United States, though. 

 

On 5/8/2025 at 7:20 PM, PozTalkAuthor said:

 I personally don't give a damn about what religious leaders think of world citizens' sexuality.............................................................The main problem however, is that politicians all over the world lick the church's boots, so, they create laws influenced by their thinking.

and those laws govern the quality of life of LGBTQ people. Laws and social diktats do matter as gay people are affected by it. 

 

On 5/8/2025 at 2:12 PM, viking8x6 said:

Apparently, like many other Americans, he has difficulty with some of the shorter words in English. "All", for example.

On 5/8/2025 at 7:20 PM, PozTalkAuthor said:

His words towards homosexuality and trans, he welcomed us but always as sinners! Always people judged by the divinity.

And this is a trap! The real progress would be if religion completely STOPS to

4 hours ago, nanana said:

...... LOVE everything he has said since he has become Pope, against war, admonishing journalists to promote peace rather than whip up hatred, and be cautious with but enter the digital fray.

He  and the Catholic Church have trouble accepting ALL parts of a person.  They want you as a gay person to show up at the doors of the church  but not with the gay or trans part of your self. However, It is not a welcome if you don't accept someone for who they are. Where the Catholic Church goes wrong is it doesn't seem to understand that it is promoting hatred against gay and trans people when it doesn't accept their homosexuality or transsexuality. 

Edited 3 hours ago by brnbk