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The rules were made a bit tougher as of yesterday. Please read the following… In short, STD fetish is now banned (even in fiction) because it harms the community. And the kind of AIDS fetish that glorifies becoming sick and/or dying is now also banned (even in fiction) for the simple reason that I don't want this site used to promote that level of self-harm. DO NOT QUESTION THESE NEW POLICIES IN THIS THREAD. THEY'RE NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION. You will get an infraction if you do question the policies – they're explained a number of different ways in the thread linked just above. However, you may ask if something you're planning on posting would violate the policy.

Escorting is the only way I know to monetize being a sub, but you won't earn as much as you would if you were a top. And doing porn is basically the way escorts do publicity. These days you don't have to work for a big studio to do porn and get a name - you can do OnlyFans / JustForFans / RFC Channels. Thanks to FOSTA/SESTA, not much more can be said here. Maybe DM a sub pornstar on Twitter to learn more. Most of the big names escort.

Just stop the video and do a screen capture. On the Mac that's Command+Shift+4 and then you drag a box around what you want captured. But as ShotsFired mentioned, there are players that will do it as well.

You're using unlicensed images in a context that the owner would most definitely freak out about. I just went through and deleted the ones I saw. I probably should have given you sufficient infractions to ban you from the site for a while. What you were doing is NOT OK. It's illegal. Plus, Getty Images actually has a crawler that goes all over the internet looking for unlicensed use of their images. If they had tried legal action against the site I would have made sure you were named in the lawsuit. So no, you may not have the ability to upload more images. Actually hosting/serving images is incredibly cheap. New members are generally restricted in what they do because otherwise they'd create a huge mess that needs to be cleaned up. Because suitslave was limited there wasn't much of a mess to clean up.

This picture says it all… Democrats will treat you as their equal, while to the vast majority (98.6%) of Republicans you are a second class citizen.

As an addendum… Based on the content of this thread New Members and Junior Members seem to be a problem. So I've changed the limitations - New Members can now only make a maximum of 3 posts per day (down from 5), and Junior members can now only make 5 posts per day (down from 8). Junior members are now also limited to 3 reactions per day (down from 8). Senior Members - please use your ability to down vote liberally. When you see something that bothers you - down vote the post. Doing so will make it much more difficult for those members to progress to higher levels of membership. This site has a history of having a really wonderful, supportive culture - please don't let newcomers destroy that culture. (I really miss @bearbandit - he embodied the kind of wonderful, supportive, kinky spirit that I'm talking about.) This change will bother people who don't belong here, and not bother the people who do belong here.

Nothing in this discussion had been particularly productive, so I’m locking the thread. It’s not really up for discussion - just explanation and I’ve explained it a dozen different ways. The policy is going into effect. If the policy bothers you that much - find another site. I really don’t want you here if you can’t understand the basis for the policy. It’s boils down to caring for your fellow piggy bothers. If that bothers you, go away!

If you look, nearly all the comments by Senior Members are positive with a few neutral/confused. Then it's maybe 50/50 pro/con with Members. Most of the criticism is coming from New Members and Junior Members. What that tells me is I've possibly been attracting the wrong type of members recently. Or some of the new members haven't gotten enough infractions yet to help them realize this isn't the place for them. The people who've been with the site for a long time are the type of guys who didn't need these rules - they were respected each other as human beings and wanted to nurture the #bbbh community. But among the newer members there is a fairly high percentage of problem members who don't respect others or care for their community. All I can say to them is that they're more than welcome to leave. And just to streamline things a bit - profile deletion is requested in Settings (it's the only way to have your profile deleted).

Competitors? Probably only NKP. TIM had a forum back when I started this, but I don't know if it still exists. I'm not dissimilar to JustUsBoys, but they're far more mainstream - and far larger. I know who I want to compete with - I want to compete with BBRT. I want to compete with Squirt.org. I expect Twitter to ban adult this year - I want people to go to one of my sites when they get kicked off. So the lesson to be learned is that if I want to grow I have to be able to appeal to more mainstream guys. Barebacking is mainstream. Breeding is mainstream. Being a cumdump is mainstream. Poz guys are becoming mainstream. And because of PrEP mainstream guys don't even care of the poz guy is on meds or not. So that's where I need to be. That said, if a mainstream, poz-friendly cumdump comes here and thinks it's all guys who are into STDs and dying of AIDS they'll run away as fast as their fingers and mouse can take them. I'm more than happy to lose the morbidity and mortality guys to NKP if I can get the mainstream, poz-friendly cumdumps in return. It's what interests me and it's the bigger better market. It's really not that hard to understand - treat other people with kindness and respect. And look out after your community. Oh, and don't do anything clearly illegal, and don't make it seem wonderful to get sick and die. Do those simple things and you're fine.

Since some of you are confused with the new policy and where the lines are drawn, here is a decision flow diagram which should clear things up… 1) Is this a case of a victim telling his story in a factual manner that’s not overly fetishized? Yes- ALLOWED No- continue to #2 2) Is this a case of a guy asking a sincere question? Yes- ALLOWED No- continue #3 3) Does the post try to initiate or specifically encourage illegal activity (not just mention it happened or generally discuss such activity)? No- continue to #4 Yes- 3.1) Is the illegality due to the criminalization of HIV or anti-LGBT laws? Yes- continue to #4 No- 3.2) Is it fictional? No- BANNED Yes- continue to #4 4) Does the activity physically harm other people? No- continue to #5 Yes- 4.1) Is it a real-life situation where the harm is temporary and limited to consensual participants? Yes- continue to #5 No - 4.2) Does this contribute to building a community of people who encourage each other to get debilitating illnesses and/or die? Yes - BANNED No- 4.3) Is it a real-life situation which is non-consensual but there is a way for victim to protect himself from harm? Yes- continue to #5 No- 4.4) Is it a fictional story that is likely to inspire others to engage in the harmful activity? (The more perceived consequences, the less likely it is that people will follow the example.) Yes- BANNED No- 4.5) Does this harm the sexual ecosystem of piggy gay guys? Yes- BANNED No- continue to #5 5) Othersise… ALLOWED. So let's go over a few cases: Consensual bug chasing / gift giving… ✅ 3.1) Where gift giving is illegal it's because of the criminalization of HIV – because these laws are proven to be counterproductive I'm not going to ban it for that reason. ✅ 4.3) Because neg guys can protect themselves from harm with PrEP. I won't ban it for the issue of harm. Encouraging others to get and spread STIs ❌ 3.0) Intentionally infecting another person with an STD is often considered assault, but is rarely prosecuted, so we continue to #4 ❌ 4.1) Not limited to consensual participants ❌ 4.2) Some STIs do cause debilitating illness and death if left untreated (syphilis, hepatitis) ❌ 4.3) No way for victim to protect himself ❌ 4.5) Upping the chances of catching an STD at a bathhouse or sex party harms the sexual ecosystem because fewer guys are willing to take the risk. Saying "AIDSy" looking guys are sexy ✅ 3) Not illegal ✅ 4) Harms no one Encouraging other guys to stay off meds and go "full blown" ✅ 3) Not illegal ❌ 4.1) Harm is likely to be permanent ❌ 4.2) Creates a community of people who encourage debilitating illness and death Consensual permanent scars ✅ 3.0) Because it's consensual it's unlikely to be considered assault. But the top does take a significant legal risk if sub later regrets his consent. ✅ 4.1) Not temporary, but is consensual ✅ 4.2) Even severe scars are rarely debilitating if treated promptly and properly Encouraging someone to engage in "Gainer Fetish" (intentionally overeating to become morbidly obsese)… ✅ 3.0) Not an illegal activity ❌ 4.2) A community of people encouraging each other to get debilitating diseases that will most likely lead to an early death. If you're wondering if something is allowed, just go through those questions.

Seriously, you're going to trash what I'm doing because of an error rate of 6 out of millions of hookups? SMH… I posted the study to the HIV/Sexual Health sub-forum a few years ago. Poz guys who never progress to AIDS, and are meds compliant actually live slightly longer than neg guys (though with more complications along the way). The theory on why they live longer is that they're seeing their doctor more frequently so problems are caught quickly and dealt with before they become major issues. You've never had free speech on privately owned websites. This has been the case since the web first started. It is not something new. Your right to free speech only entitles you to start your own website and take on the legal liability for what happens on that website. These are simply things I don't want to be associated with. Things I see as harmful to our community. I believe I have a responsibility to do what I can to mitigate their negative effects. The other issue is that barebacking and being poz are being equated with inevitable significant disability and death. Our community worked hard to shed that image after ARVs brought an end to the AIDS crisis. It harms the poz community for that image to be perpetuated. For the most part I've hidden threads. In a few cases I've edited some of the text to make the post compliant. But when someone starts a thread with (paraphrasing) "Isn't isn't death and illness sexy? I wanna get sick and die." - there's just no way to fix a thread that starts like that.

This site is NOT dedicated to becoming poz. WTF gave you that idea? The discussion of bug chasing and gift giving are confined to very specific sections of the site (ditto for chem sex - the site isn't dedicated to that either). As far as HPV… There's a vaccine for that. Please take it if you haven't already gotten HPV. At the end of the day this site started with the idea that people can do what they want with their bodies. If you support a woman's right to have an abortion you should support a person's right to intentionally get HIV. Abortion ends a life. I wouldn't call it murder since I believe "personhood" starts at birth, but bug chasing doesn't end a life. So of the two bug chasing is the "better" one. (It's important to have mainstream reference points because of the stigma of anything related to sex.) The extreme AIDS fetish that's being banned is like abortion - it can end a life early. You're free to commit suicide, but I don't want to have helped you towards that goal. But STD fetish affects other people. You have the right to swing your arm - as long as it doesn't hit me. Your STD fetish ups my chances of getting an STD, so it's not something you have a right to do. In transportation articles they've been very careful lately to end the use of the word "accident" and instead use "crash" because many crashes aren't accidents - something caused them. Yes there are crashes that are genuine accidents, and no one is at fault for them. Similarly there's a baseline of STI infections that are "accidents" - and we have to live with them. But when I catch an STD because the bottom had an STD fetish and thought it would be fun to infect me - that's not an accident - it's assault. So anything supporting that form of thinking is banned. Bottom line this is not about "my fetish isn't as bad as your fetish". Coming up with a clear delineation between "acceptable" and banned took some time. And it boils down to taking care of the people around you. STD fetish doesn't take care of the people around you. Neither does the "let's get AIDS and die" fetish. And even then I defined taking care of the people around you pretty narrowly - if the person can protect themselves from what you're doing to them (e.g. PrEP stopping HIV infection) - then it's OK.

That's my hope. Hell, if guys want to play with self-harm, try flogging and then move up to whipping. You can get permanent scars with the most extreme forms of whipping. Provided you take care of the wounds properly, they'll heal and you'll live a completely normal life - just with a few scars. [But tops - please learn to do whipping properly - done improperly you can harm the sub's kidneys. The tails of the flogger/whip should never "wrap" around the side of the body - they should only hit squarely on the center of the sub's upper back. There - that was my BDSM 101 lesson for the day.] The point being - there are safe ways to be a sub that don't include disability and death. Provided it's all consensual, those forms of self-harm are fine. They're on the level of bug chasing and getting HIV and going on meds - they won't ruin your life or kill you.

You joined last month and ^^^this^^^ is your 2nd post. You don't have a clue what the site used to be like.

Please report any cases where you see people encouraging others to do illegal drugs on this site. It’s been against the rules since the beginning of the site.

@seattlebbbtm - yes, as I stated STIs happen. Mentioning they happen, and talking about how to minimize them are all still allowed. What’s not allowed is eroticizing them. @neg4charged - the stories already are in their own section. If you see one outside the backroom please report it and a moderator will kick the person off the site for a few days. This is a long-standing policy.

For those who find the policy confusing… I had to draw the line somewhere. It took a while to think through the issues to identify what it was that had changed recently in the posts and tweets I’ve been seeing. There had always been an undercurrent of harmful fetishes, but it’s really gotten quite bad the last year or two. My guiding principle previously was that people can do what they want with their own bodies. But I came to the realization that STDs (other than HIV) effect more than the individual, and that while a person has the right to kill themselves, it’s perfectly reasonable to say this site won’t encourage it. If you can explain a better, more clear policy, I’m all ears.

There are times when cancel culture is a good thing. This is one of those times.

Try condoms for a while and you'll realize all the other reasons why barebacking is better. The sensations (for both the top and the bottom) are like 100 times better. And the exchange of fluids can be really intimate and powerful. It actually makes me sad that you see barebacking only as a form of self-harm. That's what I'm trying to correct with this policy. No infraction is ever given to someone who sincerely seeks personal life advice (well, if they put it in the wrong section they might get an infraction, but not for the question). When someone comes on the site and says they're thinking of self-harm people who respond will absolutely get an infraction for anything less than a well-considered, sensitive answer. For many years now we haven't allowed "harm to another real person". The members who seek advice are human beings who deserve to be treated in a compassionate manner. "Go harm yourself" is never appropriate, and never has been allowed. So there's no change in policy on the types of cases you're talking about. The new rules are about AIDS FETISH in the sense of holding out illness/morbidity as a desirable goal that people should strive to achieve. I don't want the members to use this site to form a death cult which is literally what's happening on Twitter right now, and to a lesser extent here. My gut tells me that many of the guys pushing the destructive form of AIDS Fetish are meth addicts with a distorted view of reality. You'll see them pushing the destructive form of AIDS fetish, and then all of a sudden you'll see a tweet from them like "Kind of hard to say this, but I'm now apparently meds resistant and cd4 count slightly over 100", but then a week later they're back to potentially destructive behavior.

HIV fetish is fine. It’s AIDS fetish that’s being banned. So fictional stealthing for HIV infection is still OK (the bottom should have been on PrEP).

@Sum1 — trust me, having gonorrhea sucks. Getting syphilis is even worse. You’re not missing anything. Been there done all that far too many times.

@demonicpup I know exactly what you’re saying. For brevity I simply said that OIs were one of the criteria for having AIDS. But the fact remains that an AIDS diagnosis is meaningful because your future medical condition is significantly more challenged. Guys are encouraging other guys to “go there” and it’s not healthy. I understand someone like you can be healthy after an AIDS diagnosis, but I want people to be more proactive than that. I don’t want this site to give the impression that having AIDS should be some sort of goal guys should work towards. But once you’re “there”, I also don’t want you to feel like your life is over. Hence the continued acceptance of finding “AIDSy” guys as sexy.

This past fall I extended the rule against promoting harm to a real person to cover harm to the community and applied it to political discussions where people were expressing support and encouraging others to vote for political candidates that had a track record of harming our community. That policy of not allowing things that harm our community is being expanded in some rather significant ways. Specifically… ➤ Certain types of AIDS Fetish are being BANNED What is still allowed is expressing that you find "AIDSy" looking guys hot. Saying you think they're hot harms no one, and after everything those guys have gone through, it probably helps them to know people still find them sexually attractive. What is being banned is encouraging other people to progress to stay off meds so long that they progress to AIDS. I know many of you didn't live through the AIDS epidemic, but it was truly horrible. I cared for my lover as he died of AIDS. I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone - even the experience of being a caregiver was pretty horrible. There is a huge difference between being HIV positive and having AIDS. You can live a reasonably healthy life and have a completely normal life expectancy being poz. But the same is not true once you progress to AIDS. Once you progress to AIDS your life expectancy goes down and your quality of life can completely plummet. In case you don't know, an HIV positive person is considered to have AIDS if they get one of a number of opportunistic infections, or when their CD4 ("t-cell") count drops to 200 (or sometimes 250 - depending on the standard used). Doctors will want you to do on meds before you CD4 drops below 500. But then there's a gray area between ~350 and 500 which is also relatively safe, though you do up your risk of complications slightly. This ban also applies to encouraging people to become highly drug resistant. Since that's another clear path to AIDS. Simply put, wanting to progress to AIDS or become highly drug resistant is a form of self harm that's borderline suicidal. Encouraging someone to progress to AIDS or become highly drug resistant borders on encouraging them to kill themselves. It's not OK. ➤ HIV Fetish, Bug Chasing & Gift Giving are still very much ALLOWED As I mentioned there's a huge difference between being poz and having AIDS. So I have no problem with guys who want to become poz. Simply put, it's right for some guys. I also have no problem with gift giving. Thanks to PrEP, gift givers can't harm guys who don't want to be harmed. And most guys have at least two years before their CD4 drops below 500, so there is a period of time when they can be a gift giver without risking their own health. But be careful… do not use the word AIDS when you mean HIV or poz. "I wanna give you HIV" or "I wanna poz you" are both fine. "I wanna give you AIDS" is not OK. Fetishizing poz or toxic loads is fine. Fetishing AIDS loads is not OK. Learn to say what you mean. Words matter! ➤ STI Fetish is BANNED Fetishizing STIs other than HIV is also banned. STIs are a fact of life if you bareback, but we want to keep them to a bare minimum since they're a literal pain in the butt (or dick). Sex is supposed to be fun, but when guys stop going to bathhouses and the sex parties because they keep getting STIs when they go – that harms our "sexual ecosystem". Big crowds at bathhouses and sex parties helps everyone. It's more fun for us, and more profitable for the bathhouses and sex clubs. ➤ These bans apply to fiction as well as real life situations Fantasizing about things often turns into real-life behavior, so the bans apply to fictional stories as well. ➤ Generally, things that do significant harm to the community are BANNED Basically I'm banning anything that causes permanent, significant harm to individuals or significant harm to the community as a whole. That said, there's a lot of gray area. In the gray area if it's harm to a real person it will be more likely to trigger an infraction. So for example - a bottom is getting spit roasted and the top fucking him slips him a booty bump without him knowing. Since drugs wear off after a few hours, that's not permanent harm. In a fictional story that would be allowed provided the story doesn't progress to him becoming a drug addict (which would be significant harm). But encouraging someone to do that to a real person - that wouldn't be allowed. Or another example - castration. If a bottom is considering castration and you encourage them to go through with it - it all depends on how you encourage them. If you encourage them to take months to fully think it through, and then find a qualified doctor to do the procedure - that would be fine. If you encourage them to take a less careful course of action - that would be a problem and would get an infraction. ➤ The stories of victims are still very much allowed Victims are always allowed to tell their stories provided they state the abuse factually and don't overly fetishize the abuse. They can even say that since the abuse they've gotten turned on by it and seek it out. Though there is the risk of that going too far into fetishizing the behavior. So tread carefully there. Why I'm implementing the new policy Recently here and on Twitter I've been seeing a lot of AIDS and STI fetish and I've found it deeply disturbing. Simply put, it's a level of harmful that I haven't seen before. The bug chasing back in the late 90s (post ARVs) and early 00s would have violated these new policies, but it was different back then. There was this immense fear of becoming poz combined with the realization that sooner or later bottoms especially would probably become poz. So bug chasing "got it over with". From that point of view the improvement to the person's mental health probably balanced out the risk to their physical health. And with the advent of PrEP it's a huge step for some guys to come to the realization that they want to be poz, then choose to go off PrEP, and then actually get pozzed. To put it in simple terms it seems to be a tribal thing for many of them. Belonging to a tribe can have an upside, and that process doesn't harm anyone else. But AIDS fetish and STI fetish cause significant harm with zero upside. They're pure harm. I don't want this site to be the catalyst for that type of behavior. Implementation of the new policy For the next week if you violate the new policy you'll just get a warning. After that there will be an infraction. If you see old posts that violate the new rules, please report them and a moderator will do one of three things: 1) edit them so they comply, 2) add a note that posts like that are no longer allowed, or 3) hide the post or thread if the violation is serious enough and not easily remedied via editing. Confused? If you're confused as to whether something is allowed under the new policy, I constructed a series of questions that you go through to figure out if it's banned or allowed… https://breeding.zone/topic/64867-read-this-significant-change-in-rules-effective-31/?do=findComment&comment=683626

It's there because most of the site is about sex, and that's not, hence it's a general topic. What do you think would be a better way to organize it?

Sub-forums need a critical mass to be successful. You're talking about thousands of sub-forums, so it wouldn't work (and it would be a nightmare to set up). That said, When I redevelop the site (which is not any time soon) it will be tag based, and location will be a tag. So I totally get the problem and understand how the current structure is limited sub-optimal. But there literally isn't an off-the-shelf solution that does what's needed. I've never seen pictures as a primary draw of the site. And clearly the developers (it's generic forum software) don't see it that way either. As I develop solutions to replace this site pictures will come sooner rather than later. There are basically two types of picture use cases - pics of you on your own profile, and shared pics in a social media type scenario. I'm hoping I'll get to both of those by the end of the year. In each list of forum topics there's the option to sort by date. Use that and you can see what's new. I use it all the time to moderate some of the backroom areas to make sure that new threads are in the correct place. Yes, searching by user name isn't simple, but that's out of my control. When you say "URL hiding" – if I understand what you're talking about, that's a browser option that can be turned off in your browser settings. It is not something that we're specifically doing on this site. When I redevelop the site (again, not any time soon), I'll be much clearer about where you're posting and the rules for that area. In the meantime it sorta just is what it is.