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SOP in London is my local haunt. There are plenty of posts on here describing what goes on and what it's like. I think the big thing is how it is such a relaxed and attitude free place you can really enjoy. It's also very diverse in terms of the kinds of guys there and the gear being worn - from naked to full-rubber and hivis work gear. I've even seen someone wearing a fur coat there. Sundays with a bank holiday Monday afterwards are usually very busy, but often the best parties are the quieter ones when it's not overrun with tourists. 

I've also done lab a few times and my impression is that 80% of the guys aren't into piss and are just there for whatever. I've often felt that when lab put on specialist themes, it's always mostly the same guys just in a different colour jockstrap. 

I'm headed to Milan for a weekend. Any recommendations for other BB-related places to go? Cruising places? Darkrooms? etc? 

Not sure if I'd answered this before but definitely PigBoyRuben (Ruben Litzky)

Here's a thought: maybe some people are misrepresenting themselves by using older pics or having some (to put it mildly) artistic license with their stats. That's likely why a lot of people ghost - because they would otherwise be found out to be different from what they claimed.

It seems a common behaviour - so I ask what motivates that? My answer is that advertising, porn, and gay culture shows us images that are not a reflection of how many of us really are  Do people then try to live up to these images and expectations by exaggerating aspects of their profiles? This further perpetuates that 'image' and it becomes a vicious circle.   

Images are beginning to change but I think it's an 80/20 thing where 80% of us aren't like the images we see in the gay media. And yet 80% of gay media is pushing that image.

It's not healthy and I think what we see with people's behaviour in the apps is just a symptom of that. 

I'd say you also need to have a clear policy on phones and cameras.  You have to ban them outright or make everyone aware they're permitted. The halfway solution of 'only film if you ask permission first' or 'phone allowed but no photos/videos' never works - someone always tries to get away with a few surreptitious photos or video when they think nobody will notice. 

I think anything becomes work when you do something you wouldn't normally do just for pleasure because of the financial reward or fulfilling some longer term strategy.  

I've been there on my trips to Berlin. I usually only go to Woof if there is a special event there during BLF or Folsom. Sometimes the gay skin-heads have their event there. So my opinion may be skewed by this.  

It's a bear's bar, and it seems more friendly social and not as full-on cruisey and seedy as Scheune or The Bull, and not as fetishy as Scheune or New Action. On the nights I've been the darkroom has been quiet relative to other venues. I get the impression you pickup in the bar rather than going out back to find someone. 

On occasions I've been they have been alternating between episodes of The Muppet Show and some vanilla porn on the screens - which is quirky. 

If you go on a normal night then you may have a slightly different experience.  

There are loads of bars in the area - and it pays to explore. If you're a bear (or like bears) you don't have to go to Woof to have a good time. There's lot of other options. 

17 hours ago, Alex90 said:

Fair, I appreciate that. But how does clean up work if there’s no shower facilities? Don’t fancy riding the tube smelling of piss, let alone in these temps 😆

Actually it's not that bad - guys drink a lot of water/beer so it's all really diluted. There is only a smell if you don't wash your gear out and leave it. Take a change of clothes/shoes, a small towel, a bag to put anything wet in (they will give you one if you ask) and if you're really paranoid, a can of Lynx/Axe (but please use it outside the venue).  I've been going for a long time and have to take uber, train and bus to get there.  Never had a comment or bad uber rating on the way home.  

Add to that Central Station's Underground Club in Kings Cross (not too far from Vault - a couple of bus stops, or a walk) which is a bit more kink oriented. List of events here:

[think before following links] https://undergroundclublondon.co.uk

SOP/Sunday is very good for BB so long as you don't mind getting a bit wet 😉 

Speaking as someone who's quite introverted - perhaps as a result of being slightly 'on the spectrum', one of the most difficult things is eye contact. If someone I don't know well makes eye contact with me then it makes me feel really uncomfortable - even if I like them. Similarly I struggle with making eye contact - either across a room or in conversation. I'll tend to look at their sneakers, an item of clothing they're wearing, a tattoo, or something else instead. 

Anyone planning to be at SOP today? 

Always great to meet guys from here.

DM me if you're going or say hello there.

Depending how hot it is, I'll either be in a dirty orange hivis, blue jock and yellow trainers or hivis, rubber/waders.  

Maybe send the person on here a DM to remind them to update (or remove) their links? 

Mine are up to date.

On 7/6/2023 at 2:17 AM, insatiablebot said:

I have booked myself a ticket for the 'BiohazardMen' party this coming Friday at Under Tage in Berlin. Now I am wondering if I should skip it. As I am not white, and I am chub. Don't wanna make the effort of going to the venue to not get any loads 😞 Should I just host an anon cumdump session at my hotel in Schoneberg ? It's a popular cumdump hotel.

I realise this is too late, but I'd go. You can host in your hotel anytime and most guys into raw fucking will be at biohazardmen anyway. Have a plan B - if it sucks, go somewhere else... there's tons of choice. 

Did you go? How was it?

20 minutes ago, Cravetoxic22 said:

I would definitely say there is a link between my bugchasing desires and my depression. I've only been suffering from depression badly for a few years now, but that's also when my bugchasing accelerated a lot. For me bugchasing is not about death / self-destruction. It's hard for me to pin down exactly why I'm chasing, but it's more about feeling alive, feeling excited, feeling something than about wanting to punish myself or lack of self-esteem. Don't get me wrong, I very much do suffer from a lack of self-esteem, though. It's very complicated for me. Does anyone else relate to that? 

For some guys, making that decision they feel "in control" of the situation? 

Bookmarking this - very useful insight for future travel plans...

22 minutes ago, PromiseYouPullOut said:

Remember how much fun AOL M4M chat rooms were? 

Yes.. Also I remember talkers like Lintilla's Multiple Worlds, some of the gay MUDs/MUSHs (ca 1994) and the IRC channels on efnet. 

I think a big problem with the current. hookup apps is a lack of accountability. If people behave badly then there's no red flags to warn others. But why not turn that around and give green flags for being a good citizen? 

Much like Uber has a rating system when you ride - for both the passenger and the driver, I'd think there's a place for such a system on hook up apps.

How it would work would be an interesting PhD in Social Science... I think having only positive feedback and no negatives avoids the whole situation where people give revenge bad feedback and it has to be moderated.  Maybe there's a bunch of traits you can give props for - "Showed up on time" - "Accurate pics" - "Gave me a load" - "Took my load" - "Multiple loads" - etc...  All of these reputation points would be things that are based around an actual meet.  The idea here is that by being positive rather than negative in feedback it helps build more of a community.  

Perhaps some red flags are also needed to deal with bad actors - but would have to be moderated to prevent abuse.     

The only flaw I can see is that it may be difficult for newcomers to build a reputation from scratch. But reputation has to be earned, somehow/ - so it's sort of the point. 

15 hours ago, slaveboi said:

I've mentioned it before but I feel like I've figured out about the best system to get the most out of being a hotel cum dump. Location is key.  I have about a 40% no show rate but a lot of my tops are repeats. 

So... currently if you go on BBRT and set the location to Central London and list the events, you'll see a bunch of guys (about 50%) advertising for the same hotel. As of this morning, of those ads, most have 0-2 guys attending, one or two have 5-10 and one ad stands out as having 49 guys. 

What I'm interested in, is why is the guy with 49 people so successful - his ad isn't notably different - he's not the youngest - and there are guys who are more of a thirst trap who are in the 0-2 guys zone.  The successful guy's profile only has one pic you can see and there's not a lot of description. His event is for a Thursday, which I imagine would be less busy than a weekend. 

This seems to happen with some regularity - lots of ads for the same place and one has a ton of responses, the others very little. I've often wondered why. 

Given the quoted 20% show up rate for guys with <10 visitors is it worth it? You'd be better off down the road at The Vault or one of the Saunas, surely?

For those that do this, do you rely on BBRT or work the apps hard trying to lure guys in? 

13 hours ago, ErosWired said:

The conventional wisdom among cumdump bottoms around here with experience of trying this sort of thing is to expect a no-show rate of about 80%. It’s just ridiculous.

It's not just the tops not showing up - I noted someone had booked a room for such an event on BBRT and I asked him afterwards how it went. Turns out he never turned up at the hotel to collect his prizes. If I was one of the fifteen or so tops booked in I'd be well pissed to find the bottom didn't show up. 

What's a mystery to me is how/why some guys at that hotel get a ton of interest and others don't.  It seems quite hit and miss.

5 hours ago, fetishlad said:

Very astute and accurate observations. Every one of them is something I have experienced, especially in London. Made me laugh really, it’s so accurate.

London has become so sanitised and devoid of any good fetish/sex clubs. Quite a sad state.

And what’s with the cum dump hotel thing? Before long management (and security) will surely notice something going on?

There are a few good clubs (IMO), but it depends on your perception of 'good'. 

As for the hotel, I think they have realised: they are no longer taking bookings for one night only - minimum two nights. There's still five ads on BBRT for the weekend though... 

6 hours ago, NWUSHorny said:

I thought the puppy thing was just a PNW phenomenon. It has been a thing here for the entire 16 years I've lived here, and I had very little idea it even existed before that. We are starting to see a lot of other animals too, now.

10 hours ago, ErosWired said:

This isn’t new - there’s been a pup-play fetish in which guys perform submission as dogs for a long time, and they’ve been putting on dog masks/hoods and shoving plugs with tails attached up their asses the whole time, all an extension of being collared.

What may be trending is the behavior becoming more mainstream and less alternative - or at least the gear aspect of it, with vanilla people trying on the “costume” to feel edgy without understanding the meaning or significance behind it, which I find annoying as fuck.

Agree with @ErosWired here. Probably they're attending more places now so I'm seeing it around more and more. And I agree with the costume comment. What's next will be people getting biohazard tattoos to be 'edgy' ???

A few trends I've noticed:

• Guys who go to a cruise/fetish party and are too glued to their phones to notice guys in the same room. 
• The invention and rise of online "Cash Masters" in the last few years.
• The thing with the dog hoods and pretending to be a puppy. 
• Traditional Skinhead and Leather scene getting smaller and very few younger guys getting into it.
• Fetishgear becoming fashion and label brand oriented for twinks rather than into it for fetish (Looking at you, Mr Reigellio)
• Although viagra and others are more readily available more and more guys in darkrooms etc. who can't get it up I guess because of illegal drugs. 
• Bareback is no longer a USP/differentiator. 
• Increasing numbers of different ads (5+ sometimes) on BBRT for different guys doing the cum-dump thing on the same Saturday in what is becoming known as the cum-dump hotel in London. 

It's not all bad though. Some of the above is just effects of the changing landscape we live in evolving. 

Longshot short notice... I am in Newport (south Wales, not IoW) tomorrow morning and free from 1pm. Was planning to go to Greenhouse Newport to meet a mate but he just bailed. So, at a loose end and looking for distractions. Anyone around or have some suggestions where to go/what to do? 

After reading previous comments, I watched it this evening. I found Bobby's character to be really irritating. That's just me though... Eyerolling queens tend to affect me that way.  BF was a bit more tolerant.  I wouldn't have watched it to the end if it were not for Aaron who - physical attributes aside - seemed to me to be the most relatable character in the movie. 

A few elements in the story were funny observations. As already mentioned the Grindr-Butt-Pic scene but also the moment where the 4th person joins in the group sex scene and awkwardly struggles to get involved. Very true to backroom life! The only error I spotted was they didn't put the cap on the poppers before throwing it down on the bed.   

Entertaining - I don't regret spending time watching it, and we both kept off our iPhones for the duration, but it won't get re-watched. 

44 minutes ago, fuzzybttm said:

I think BBRT also really suffers from tops looking for pre-loaded holes, at least where I am.  Someone's gotta "break the seal" and go first,  and it's just a circle jerk tragedy of the commons.

I have two solutions to this:

Frozen cum - devils dick. Even if it's your own. A load is a load... 

Turkey-baster and a quantity of lube. It's not totally honest, but...  

17 minutes ago, LetsPOZBreed said:

This doesn't surprise me in the least.  Nor is this a recent phenomenon, either.  Prob got the idea after watching some porn where a bottom is getting railed by 10 guys in succession and thought "that must be hot".  Then when the number climbed ever so higher, reality hit of "can I really do this?".  

If it were me, I'd give it a go and see how far I got. If I had to tap out, there'd likely be three other bottoms in the hotel that weekend who'd be grateful of a referral.