Is stealthing morally okay?

[Guest]

No, it’s not morally okay. It’s a deception and dishonest. It deprives the individual being stealthed a choice and is a sexual assault (they consented to safer sex with a condom). 

[hntnhole]

NEH-VER.

[Guest]

On 12/12/2021 at 6:23 AM, chargedodger said:

Yeah its wrong on a lot of levels.But personally having made the decission to chase I am okay with getting pozzed by a guy who isn't honest about his status or just forgets to tell me.am okay with being a poz man;s latest breeding project too.

I agree - and I never normally ask a top his status. 

[bradhall]

It's the bottoms responsibility to choose to be on PrEP. No one asks about status these days, so if they don't ask why tell?

[PozToxVersPig]

I don’t think it’s my responsibility to inform a slutty bottom of my status if not asked. And I’m clear about no condoms. 
 

im not particularly in to the act cuz i like it when the bottom begs for my load.

i think its worse morally to allow people to create accounts here and on NKP where they ask to use a condom.  

[chargedodger]

I am okay with stealthing but only on  a personal level.If pozzed like that I will accept the consequences of it.But really would like to be informed ahead of time because it meets all the mental scenes in my head,to know,and accept a poz man's seed.

[PozToxVersPig]

Okay so here’s one that is real life right now. Straight guy wants you to poz him so he can poz his wife?   Go/NoGo

[hntnhole]

I think that what's unpardonable is to lie. 

When guys breed, and neither guy asks about status, assumedly neither guy is all that concerned (for a number of reasons, i.e. on PrEP, not on PrEP, chasing, whatever).   At the fuckjoints I go to, I can't remember any guy even asking me what's in my loads.  

[Cleanfaggot]

5 hours ago, hntnhole said:

I think that what's unpardonable is to lie. 

When guys breed, and neither guy asks about status, assumedly neither guy is all that concerned (for a number of reasons, i.e. on PrEP, not on PrEP, chasing, whatever).   At the fuckjoints I go to, I can't remember any guy even asking me what's in my loads.  

yes i never ask anyone anywhere about their status or much of anything else except can i suck their cocks and if they wanna breed me and hope my mouth or ass is good enough that they dump their load of cum in my mouth or in my ass and don't care whether they poz me or not as long as their load of cum goes inside of me.... 💞💞💞

[bikerarmpits]

On 12/11/2021 at 1:46 PM, hntnhole said:

addendum:

The bottom should ask/say a couple of things, such as "I'm not hiv positive, but I want to be.  Can your Cock convert me?"

Or - I'm positive, and I want more of it.  Can you re-infect me?  Or I'm hiv negative, and I want to stay that way; questions/statements to that effect.  

It the Top says yes, his Cock is potent in that regard, no lie has been told or even implied.  Honest, upfront and truthful.  If the Top says no, I cannot infect you, when he can indeed infect the bottom, then the operative lie becomes operatonal.  That is when the stealthing, however despicable, would become an active action.  

Now.  While I completely disagree with dishonesty in any situation, particularly so when the well-being of others is put in danger, I can think of all kinds of criticisms (my own, not speaking for others) to unleash upon the liar.  Lying is antithetical to decency, despite it's ubiquitous-ness. 

Thus, bottoms who do not want to become hiv positive should take the steps appropriate to avoiding it, and not put much stock in receiving a reliable answer if they pose the question.  They should assume that a stealth-fuck is in the works, whatever the circumstances.  They'll come down with other issues - we all do - but at least they'll have the opportunity to take those appropriate actions before something more serious happens.  

What if it's Neg Bottom -- Poz Top? What if the bottom stealths the top somehow (yes, there are ways) to get bred by the top, and doesn't let the neg bottom know his status?

[PozBearWI]

From our POV @bikerarmpits; as we aren't privy to the actual conversation or gestures between the to guys; we really can only conjecture.

Further, even if the poz guy is viral and the neg guy is not on PrEP; the one who wants to know has an obligation to ask.  If neither asks then they've consented by default.  To your fine what-if question, infection from that bottom is pretty slim.  But risk I don't thing comes into play.  So one tried to increase his pleasure by coaxing the tops load, so what?  Except to them, it doesn't matter; and if our sex mate doesn't ask; it isn't our job to change the conversation from a hot sexual encounter to one having to educate the other on HIV risk is it?

[PozToxVersPig]

I obligate myself to honesty - when asked on sites to disclose, I am honest.  When asked by an individual, I am honest.  I feel comfortable with my anchor being honestly - and I go beyond to ensure that people know my status just to be sure.

It is not anyone's obligation in any relationship (romantic, sexual, etc.) to disclose ad nauseum any and all things about themselves which may impact them coming together... especially when there is a well-understood and assumed "risk" associated with unprotected sex.  But if you ask, I'll answer.

Bottoms who can stealth a top with HIV are some super-human mutant @bikerarmpits - this is a very rare occurrence...and frankly, wouldn't be worth the douching effort of the bottom. My post link below, supporting @PozBearWI comment above.

We all make questions, and choosing to be informed is one of them - so I'll live happily in the "I was honest when asked" universe...

 

Edited 1 hour ago by PozToxVersPig