Is stealthing morally okay?

[killer52lt]

If they take my cock in then unprotected. Then they are responsible for when they catch from me. They almost never even ask my status let alone to use a condom these days. 

[bareback-flipflop]

I think there’s a huge difference between not uncovering the status or lying about it. Although I think we are responsible for each other, we are responsible for ourselves as well. So the bottom must consider the possibility of an infection if let a top fuck unsafe breed him. Few things are sillier than asking for the top’s status after penetration. 
However lying about it or pretending to wear condoms or destroying condoms are seriously immoral. 
Moreover, in many countries it’s a crime to infect someone against his willingness. 

[norefusal]

let's not get twisted. 

taking precautions to keep oneself healthy is smart.

intentionally risking another persons health secretly/non-consentually  is morally wrong. end of. 

saying anyone who gets bred is taking the risk of being pozzed on himself is = to saying anyone in a sexy outfit deserves to be raped. 

sorry. stealthing is kinky exactly because the stealther knows it's morally wrong and is getting off on doing something bad. and this is an opinion hill im willing to die on. 

[PozToxVersPig]

1 hour ago, norefusal said:

let's not get twisted. 

taking precautions to keep oneself healthy is smart.

intentionally risking another persons health secretly/non-consentually  is morally wrong. end of. 

saying anyone who gets bred is taking the risk of being pozzed on himself is = to saying anyone in a sexy outfit deserves to be raped. 

sorry. stealthing is kinky exactly because the stealther knows it's morally wrong and is getting off on doing something bad. and this is an opinion hill im willing to die on. 

To be clear @norefusal - I don’t stealth and refuse any type scenario.  And perhaps among others, I’m giving my most current and relevant information.  But it is not my job to elucidate an entire medical chart or its implications to another person every time I fuck.

i do my best to convey my status and frequently say things like “you know I’m poz, right?” - 

Also, I don’t think we can play both sides of the fence here… Either HIV is a chronic disease that we have learned to treat via medication OR we are giving people a death sentence by possibly giving them HIV where we know the transmission rates are low.

I don’t think it can be both.

Lastly, I am very upset by what you said equating me having HIV and having unprotected sex with somebody when I’ve been forthright is equivalent to somebody being raped. You’ve seen my words for sure on the matter of rape writ large.

equating somebody having unprotected sex with somebody choosing an outfit is just damn right foolish and you should really reconsider those words.

[Pozguyinchi]

I only tell when someone asks. I used to make a point of it but most guys are ok with it now. This is 2026 so if you are not educated on what and how you can get it, there is a problem with you. Most guys know me as a Poz bottom anyway. When you are getting a train pulled on you I don’t think anyone cares about status. lol. 

[allrise]

These days all the tops who bareback me just fuck without asking about my status or if I prefer condoms, I don’t think I am lying or stealthing. If asked I will tell them.

I don’t ask about their status or anything else because I choose not to ask. I don’t consider them trying to stealth me either.

[PozBearWI]

I don't think me always saying "you know I'm poz right?" makes any good sense.  Especially being poz and on meds.  TasP was proof enough that we do not pose the risk in the raw sex time, at least regarding HIV.  Before I started meds; yes that made some sense to tell them they're taking a risk.  But I question anymore whether we really have an obligation to say that.  If we care enough about it we should bring it up.  If we don't care; it isn't like infection is likely.  When we kiss, do we make sure we say "you know it is flu season right?".  

I understand why back in the 80's that made sense to put an onus on the poz guys to inform.  There wasn't a good "poz and on meds" going on back then.  But HIV manifests in society now in massively different ways than then.  And certainly the onus should no longer be on the poz guy.