what's the appeal of nazi fetishism?

[Pozlover1]

1 hour ago, rawsatyr said:

I find the whole Nazi-fetish thing 'disturbing'. But then, some of us have a family history, ethnic background or a very brutally real reason to feel that way...

And the Nazis knew how to dress.... HUGO BOSS!!! A gullible homo would have fallen for all that glitz and leather!

But for the historical record, back in the 1930's, just like ONCE AGAIN TODAY (in the US) there are lots of elitist gays who fall or fell for that strong-man-thing. Sadly, I know quite a few of them! They don't realize that in the initial phase of seizing power, the (rustic German)  log cabin gays are nothing more than 'useful idiots' for the inner core of the 'movement'. The SA, 'brown-shirts' lead by Ernst Roehm were a convenient brotherhood for lost souls and frustrated WWI veterans (who in 1933 would still all be in their early to mid 30's) and supposedly at its very core the SA was very homo-erotic. Ernst Roehm was the 'biggest' homo of them all and supposedly Hitler's political mentor. Hitler harbored a deep contempt for his mentor, maybe because of Roehm's earlier sexual advances. And within about a year of seizing power, Hitler decided that the SA with their rude, loud behavior and sexual exploits were a liability for the prudish conservative establishment. In the middle of summer of 1934 he tricked the upper ranks of the SA to gather up for big 'event' in a hotel in Munich where they supposedly celebrated (as usual) had gay orgies and getting drunk.

The SS and Gestapo led by Hitler PERSONALLY surprised them all in the early morning hours, with the brown shirts probably with their pants down, and Hitler had them all arrested on trumped up charges. Most were later executed and Roehm given a gun (in his cell) with orders to kill himself.

Long story short: that event came to be known as The NIGHT of the Long KNIVES. The SA was outlawed and from then on the Nazis had a virulent NO TOLERANCE policy to 'perversion' and homosexuality criminalized with an existing legal code 'Paragraph 175' (long story...) Anyways, gays from then on could be arrested on mere suspicion and were sent to Dachau where many were castrated, killed, tortured or died through misery.... that's where the pink triangle came in. The movie CABARET is a stunning dramatization of the time: sexually liberated Berlin turning ugly as the jack-booted Nazis would show to intimidate.

Supposedly after the war, when concentration camp victims were liberated, the Allies IMMEDIATELY had gays rearrested and sent to prison AGAIN. So NOT SO CUTE ANYMORE when you know all that...

The Night of the Long Knives is portrayed in the 1969 movie “The Damned” with Helmut Berger. There is another rather boring plot, involving an anti - Nazi industrialist, but the party and massacre at the resort are absolute necessities for any LBGT person to watch. 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Pozlover1

[Pnpguyny]

Check out the German film 'Triumph of the Will' which is sort of a classy attempt to spread pro-nazi propaganda.  Never will you see hotter men . Blond and blue Aryans in tight perfect fitting military uniforms. The film was directed by a woman and the camera has long lingering close-ups of these misguided yet stunning stallions.

[Pozlover1]

1 hour ago, Pnpguyny said:

Check out the German film 'Triumph of the Will' which is sort of a classy attempt to spread pro-nazi propaganda.  Never will you see hotter men . Blond and blue Aryans in tight perfect fitting military uniforms. The film was directed by a woman and the camera has long lingering close-ups of these misguided yet stunning stallions.

I had a book printed by the US Government in 1940 about the German Armed Forces. They were the elite of German society, could actually  carry guns, had priorities on trains and such. They never did pushups over dog shit or scrubbed toilets with a toothbrush. Soldiers from one neighborhood were kept together as much as possible and could go home to their family every 3 weeks by train. 
According to this book, homosexuality was considered “understandable since Aryan men are so beautiful”, and offenders in the military were simply transferred with a cover story to a different outfit. 

[Ranger Rick]

7 hours ago, Pnpguyny said:

Check out the German film 'Triumph of the Will' which is sort of a classy attempt to spread pro-nazi propaganda.  Never will you see hotter men . Blond and blue Aryans in tight perfect fitting military uniforms. The film was directed by a woman and the camera has long lingering close-ups of these misguided yet stunning stallions.

Yeah, whereas our propaganda is made by lumps like Michael Moore. 

[BlindRawFucker1]

It should not be forgotten that there are still countries in which you can be, at the very least, jailed for being even suspected of being gay.  And, at worst, executed.  Throw in extremist religious views, and we, as LGBT, are still in great danger.

 

Even in the US, extremist religious and political leaders, encourage harm be perpetrated against us.

 

To paraphrase, Those who forget the past, are destined to repeat it.

[tallslenderguy]

It has no appeal to me. i'm a student of WWII and the era always leaves an rotten feeling in the pit of my stomach.  To me, Nazi's were a group of Neanderthal (sorry to Neanderthals for the comparison) bullies.  To me, nazi and hitlerism were the embodiment of evil. For me, i can shrug off those who are into devil and Sarah Palin fetish because that represents a mythical character.  i give them no credit for intelligence, they were cunning, predatory beasts. Kind of the adult version of Lord of the Flies.

hitler and his ilk were real, they wreaked havoc on this planet and i think it is ignorant (at best) to acknowledge or glamorize them in any positive way or by making a fetish out of them. The leather and uniforms is just making silk purse out of a sows ear.  

To me hitler was a impotent person with no living skills who got ahold of power, a bully.  

Under hitler and his type, none of us would be here to discuss this. 

Edited October 16, 2019 by tallslenderguy

[tallslenderguy]

lmao, i love how auto correct changes "S a t a n" to sarah palin

Edited October 16, 2019 by tallslenderguy

[Guest BritBottom]

13 minutes ago, tallslenderguy said:

lmao, i love how auto correct changes "S a t a n" to sarah palin

I have a friend 'Dominic' - autocorrect always offers  to change it to 'Demonic' LOL

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On the main subject....

The Nazi's had a strange history with homosexuality, in the early days Hitler was closely associated with openly homosexual Ernst Roehm who led the Sturmabteilung military wing of the party until the 'Night of the Long Knives' on June 30 to July 2, 1934  when  Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions by the Gestapo & SS intended to consolidate his power, Roehm and the SA were slaughtered. After that MALE homosexuals were actively persecuted, hunted down, placed in concentration camps and murdered in the gas chambers.  Like many religious fundamentalists the Nazis believed that homosexuality was a degenerate lifestyle choice and a threat to 'family values' and predatory gays would spread the corruption.  The attraction seems to be based on the ruthless mental and physical discipline and the 'Aryan Race' ideal of the superior race - i.e. a society ruled by hyper masculine physical perfection.

It's interesting that that in the 1970's and 80's  many UK gay men adopted the style & dress of the right wing 'Skinhead' movement which were similar in mentality  - some of the Triga, Wurstfilm and Cazzo porn reflects this.

Whilst despising the ideology the common ground is that both right-wingers and gay males are attracted by masculinity and to that degree only I can understand the appeal.

Edited October 16, 2019 by BritBottom
correction

[tallslenderguy]

1 hour ago, BritBottom said:

 

The Nazi's had a strange history with homosexuality, in the early days Hitler was closely associated with openly homosexual Ernst Roehm who led the Sturmabteilung military wing of the party until the 'Night of the Long Knives' on June 30 to July 2, 1934  when  Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions by the Gestapo & SS intended to consolidate his power, Roehm and the SA were slaughtered. After that MALE homosexuals were actively persecuted, hunted down, placed in concentration camps and murdered in the gas chambers.  Like many religious fundamentalists the Nazis believed that homosexuality was a degenerate lifestyle choice and a threat to 'family values' and predatory gays would spread the corruption.  The attraction seems to be based on the ruthless mental and physical discipline and the 'Aryan Race' ideal of the superior race - i.e. a society ruled by hyper masculine physical perfection.

It's interesting that that in the 1970's and 80's  many UK gay men adopted the style & dress of the right wing 'Skinhead' movement which were similar in mentality  - some of the Triga, Wurstfilm and Cazzo porn reflects this.

Whilst despising the ideology the common ground is that both right-wingers and gay males are attracted by masculinity and to that degree only I can understand the appeal.

rawsatyr mentioned Cabaret. Love that film, so many layers to it. It also depicts the liberal and progressive culture in Berlin prior to the rise of hitler and nazism.  It seems most societies have their polar opposites and what happens is often a result of who's in power. The movie Bent  is another powerful depiction of gay experience at the hands of nazis. So many failed to escape Germany before it was to late to do so because they just couldn't fathom that the Germany they had known had changed, the new rulers empowered the already present dark and evil cultures.  

i appreciate the parallel you draw between religious fundamentalists and nazis.  i don't think religion is such a bad thing, and that it can even do some good. Add to it the absolutist attitude of fundamentalism and it becomes pure poison.  i grew up in a fundamentalist christian culture, it took me a long time to escape that torturous prison. A few years ago i read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, a Somali woman who was raised in fundamentalist islam and later escaped and became an activist as well as a member of Dutch parliament. i was struck while reading her story how many similarities hers had to mine. They had the common thread of fundamentalism.  i have no real doubt that people like V.P. pence would toss gays in prison if he had the power.  After all, he believes in a god who is going to send all gays to a hell of eternal torture.  People who think religious folk are good and kind have never studied the inquisition. 

[Pozlover1]

There are Gay Christians. There are books and churches so I will merely direct you to them and let you and Jesus sort out the details. 

[Qban]

4 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

i think it is ignorant (at best) to acknowledge or glamorize them in any positive way or by making a fetish out of them. The leather and uniforms is just making silk purse out of a sows ear.

This is a thoughtful and insightful observation.  I wonder sometimes how many guys out there in boots and harnesses or watching leather porn videos know the true origins of the modern gay leather/bdsm scene.  I also wonder whether knowing their fetish originated with the nazis would make a difference to them.  After all, millions of people around the world drive Volkswagens and love them even though the company was originally formed by Hitler and run by the Nazi government.  Somehow time and distance seem to alter the significance and purpose of things as they evolve and their origins recede further into the past.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Qban

[Pozlover1]

38 minutes ago, Qban said:

This is a thoughtful and insightful observation.  I wonder sometimes how many guys out there in boots and harnesses or watching leather porn videos know the true origins of the modern gay leather/bdsm scene.  I also wonder whether knowing their fetish originated with the nazis would make a difference to them.  After all, millions of people around the world drive Volkswagens and love them even though the company was originally formed by Hitler and run by the Nazi government.  Somehow time and distance seem to alter the significance and purpose of things as they evolve and their origins recede further into the past.

Hitler blamed the Jews for all the ills of Germany but as a country they did not start off with gas chambers. It started by separating out one group and dehumanizing them in the minds of the average person. 

[Riverfk]

3 hours ago, Qban said:

This is a thoughtful and insightful observation.  I wonder sometimes how many guys out there in boots and harnesses or watching leather porn videos know the true origins of the modern gay leather/bdsm scene.  I also wonder whether knowing their fetish originated with the nazis would make a difference to them.  After all, millions of people around the world drive Volkswagens and love them even though the company was originally formed by Hitler and run by the Nazi government.  Somehow time and distance seem to alter the significance and purpose of things as they evolve and their origins recede further into the past.

I especially agree with the last sentence here. I also think VW would have had a tougher time in the marketplace without postwar British management of their production planning, the choice of continuing with the Type 1 (Beetle) was considered expedient towards the greater goal of manufacturing reconstruction, and drawing foreign currency into the economy. Time has also faded Porsche's involvement with this topic as well. Maybe we need an automotive forum here, about raw-fucking in vehicles, I'll start...

Edited October 17, 2019 by Riverfk

[suckerboi]

For some guys, it's the violent aspect of the Nazis that's the turn on.  I followed some redneck gay tumblrs before tumblr went anti-porn because I have a huge fetish for cigarette smokers.  It always seemed like many of them love the violent nature of the Nazis.  

[Pozlover1]

4 hours ago, Riverfk said:

I especially agree with the last sentence here. I also think VW would have had a tougher time in the marketplace without postwar British management of their production planning, the choice of continuing with the Type 1 (Beetle) was considered expedient towards the greater goal of manufacturing reconstruction, and drawing foreign currency into the economy. Time has also faded Porsche's involvement with this topic as well. Maybe we need an automotive forum here, about raw-fucking in vehicles, I'll start...

OK I’ll bite that hook. The Type 1 was pure genius, but like the Falcon/Maverick is infinitely rebuildable by replacing the fewest possible wear points.

As such, anything made like this is the opposite of planned obsolescence and must be destroyed to sell new products.

Emissions standards were made just tight enough to exclude an air cooled engine’s inability to maintain a constant temperature.

Today a few simple computer controls could do that, but the people have been dumbed down below the appreciation of the beauty of simple functionality.