MAGA bros - [Did not start out a political post]

[NWUSHorny]

Personally I find the MAGA version of alpha superiority, like everything else about MAGA to be an inauthentic, completely superficial, professional wrestling style take on it. I usually can't tell real MAGA behavior and philosophy from parody.

[ErosWired]

4 hours ago, TheSRQDude said:

What happened to being a tolerant and inclusive community that accepts everyone regardless of their personal views or experience? 

Can people not have differing political and worldviews and still be able to get along, or will the divisiveness just keep being perpetuated?

Your statement suggests there is an equivalency between all viewpoints, that all are simply sides to a coin and we should be able to all interact with equanimity because all social values are equal even if they may be opposite.

But that is not the case. Recent research being done on the factors representative of factional politics in America has found that expressions of racism, intolerance, homophobia and white supremacy are in fact reliable predictors of whether an individual is in the Republican party. Obviously not every Republican is this way, but if a significant bloc of the population espouses attitudes that are hostile to the LGBT community, it isn’t rational to simply say their views should be tolerated and accepted. How do you ‘just get along’ with people who wish you would fall off the face of the earth? How do you tolerate them when they do not tolerate you?

That’s why it’s so jarring sometimes to read posts here by members who hold affinity with groups and movements that, at large, absolutely do not support our interests. It’s extremely difficult to understand the rationale, for instance, of someone here who enjoys the lifestyle we discuss yet is an adamant supporter of politicians actively attempting to limit or deny our freedom to live and speak about this lifestyle. To suggest that we simply accept that person’s beliefs without challenge is to suggest that we be complicit in our own downfall.

[Phallarchist]

MAGA does nothing for me, but all of this pontificating makes me want to tithe to the RNC.

[hntnhole]

Perhaps of interest; the original post specifically included the reference to maga, and in caps.  Thus, the initial political statement did not come from any of the responses, it was included in the original post, and any reference to it would naturally be included in some responses.  

Thus, when anyone 2, 3 pages later wonders where the political divisiveness is derived from, the answer is it came from the original post.  Such a politically-charged post will obviously invite politically-charged replies.

[ErosWired]

1 hour ago, hntnhole said:

Perhaps of interest; the original post specifically included the reference to maga, and in caps.  Thus, the initial political statement did not come from any of the responses, it was included in the original post, and any reference to it would naturally be included in some responses.  

Thus, when anyone 2, 3 pages later wonders where the political divisiveness is derived from, the answer is it came from the original post.  Such a politically-charged post will obviously invite politically-charged replies.

Not only this, but the OP opened the original post with “Maybe a long shot”, indicating that he was well aware that the reference to MAGA was likely to evoke a negative response. Any notion that no political slant to the question can be inferred is disingenuous.

9 hours ago, Phallarchist said:

MAGA does nothing for me, but all of this pontificating makes me want to tithe to the RNC.

That is an uncharacteristically irrational comment from someone I usually find highly reasoned and deliberative.

[BootmanLA]

On 6/10/2022 at 4:58 PM, Close2MyBro said:

I don't care what political party a person belongs to. Sex is sex. Politics is politics. When did the party of "No H8" become the party of "H8"??

Who says it's "H8"? I can perfectly well decide that I have no interest in someone whose personal ethics, morals, etc. lead him to join the MAGA movement without "hating" him. I feel sorry for  him. I feel sad that he's been duped into aligning himself with a rabidly anti-gay, anti-black, anti-immigrant, anti-anythingbutstraightwhitemaleChristian movement; I feel bad that he's apparently perfectly okay aligning himself with despicable people. But hate? Never said I "H8" them.

[BootmanLA]

19 hours ago, TheSRQDude said:

Thanks for saying this. Last I understood, it's not a requirement that someone be a liberal/socialist/leftist in order to be a member of the LGBTQ+ community, yet whenever I look around, I read and see a cacophony of sycophants promoting a single view. What happened to being a tolerant and inclusive community that accepts everyone regardless of their personal views or experience? 

Can people not have differing political and worldviews and still be able to get along, or will the divisiveness just keep being perpetuated?

Of course political views can differ - within a certain set of generally acceptable limits. If someone suggests "I think the federal government spends too much on X, which really ought to be a state/local responsibility, I might disagree, and even politely debate the proposition, but in the end, for the most part, people can agree to disagree.

There are organizations of significant size within the overall "MAGA" movement who seriously believe in violently overthrowing the government if they do not win elections. That is not a position that falls within those generally acceptable limits for polite disagreement. There are places of worship - primarily black and Jewish ones - where congregations have been slaughtered by adherents of these wacko ideologies. You don't see liberals - even the most radical ones - threatening to round up Wyoming ranchers and having them shot, but you sure do hear from some of these "Patriot" groups a desire to eradicate Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, Jews, LGBTQ people and anyone else who doesn't fit into their view of what "God's Chosen Land" should be. And they're armed - heavily - and losing patience.

So no, I don't think people have to be liberal, or socialist, or leftist (if you could even explain the differences, since you lump them all together) to be a member of the LGBTQ community. At a minimum, however, I think it's reasonable to expect our community members to not ally themselves with those who sincerely wish us harm. Tolerance for intolerance gets you killed.

[BlackDude]

21 hours ago, NWUSHorny said:

Personally I find the MAGA version of alpha superiority, like everything else about MAGA to be an inauthentic, completely superficial, professional wrestling style take on it. I usually can't tell real MAGA behavior and philosophy from parody.

Exactly. I think Don Jr. is kinda cute but I recognize he doesn’t Believe anything he says and he’s doing this one for the money and two he’s an attention starved ego maniac. I probably bang him one Just to fuck with his head, but that’s it. 

Unfortunately there are people who are taking what he says seriously. 

[Guest]

On 6/11/2022 at 12:54 AM, BlackDude said:

What in the world is a black Supremacist? And how can you be a black supremacist and pro establishment? Lol

BLM might have started out as a protest group but now it is a black supremacist or racist hate group much like the Nation of Islam, and others. CRT and the false claim that anyone who is not black/or who is not a 'poc' (people of color is a super outdated and racist term), automatically hates blacks is racist.

[think before following links] https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/06/the-fbi-has-identified-a-new-domestic-terrorist-threat-and-its-black-identity-extremists/

[think before following links] https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/democrats-criticized-kente-cloth-trnd/index.html

[think before following links] https://www.newsweek.com/no-its-not-racist-oppose-critical-race-theory-opinion-1646902

[think before following links] https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/blm-chapter-calls-american-flag-symbol-of-hatred/

[Guest]

On 6/11/2022 at 4:37 AM, ErosWired said:

Words matter. Terms matter. If all you meant was that you had a taste for arrogant, belligerent assholes, you could have just said that, and no political debate would have ensued. Instead, you chose to throw out a hot-button, very politically charged term and asked us all to weigh in on our feelings in its context. The fact that you have to be made aware of the nature of rhetoric is disturbing. Work on yourself.

Hon, it is a sex kink, fashion, fetish, or fantasy between consenting adults.  As I wrote before there are people into this that I have found on tumblr and porn blogs, and as far as sex kinks and fetishes go it is super mild.

Were you even alive or around in the 1970s? There are gay leather fetishists who have a nazi/SS uniform sex kink and it was not common but it was or is around.

FYI, I am personally not into any of these sex kinks, fantasies, or this fetishism but if two or more adults consent to it as their sex kink, fantasy, or sex fetish that is their personal choice.

[Guest]

20 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Your statement suggests there is an equivalency between all viewpoints, that all are simply sides to a coin and we should be able to all interact with equanimity because all social values are equal even if they may be opposite.

But that is not the case. Recent research being done on the factors representative of factional politics in America has found that expressions of racism, intolerance, homophobia and white supremacy are in fact reliable predictors of whether an individual is in the Republican party. Obviously not every Republican is this way, but if a significant bloc of the population espouses attitudes that are hostile to the LGBT community, it isn’t rational to simply say their views should be tolerated and accepted. How do you ‘just get along’ with people who wish you would fall off the face of the earth? How do you tolerate them when they do not tolerate you?

That’s why it’s so jarring sometimes to read posts here by members who hold affinity with groups and movements that, at large, absolutely do not support our interests. It’s extremely difficult to understand the rationale, for instance, of someone here who enjoys the lifestyle we discuss yet is an adamant supporter of politicians actively attempting to limit or deny our freedom to live and speak about this lifestyle. To suggest that we simply accept that person’s beliefs without challenge is to suggest that we be complicit in our own downfall.

There is a whole other world with other countries besides the USA, and there are other cultures besides that of North America/the western world.

Radical anti-LGB Muslims or Islamists are more of a threat.  Of course the overwhelming majority of muslims worldwide are not like this, but an estimated 15-25% of the entire worldwide muslim population are.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

Of course political views can differ - within a certain set of generally acceptable limits. If someone suggests "I think the federal government spends too much on X, which really ought to be a state/local responsibility, I might disagree, and even politely debate the proposition, but in the end, for the most part, people can agree to disagree.

There are organizations of significant size within the overall "MAGA" movement who seriously believe in violently overthrowing the government if they do not win elections. That is not a position that falls within those generally acceptable limits for polite disagreement. There are places of worship - primarily black and Jewish ones - where congregations have been slaughtered by adherents of these wacko ideologies. You don't see liberals - even the most radical ones - threatening to round up Wyoming ranchers and having them shot, but you sure do hear from some of these "Patriot" groups a desire to eradicate Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, Jews, LGBTQ people and anyone else who doesn't fit into their view of what "God's Chosen Land" should be. And they're armed - heavily - and losing patience.

So no, I don't think people have to be liberal, or socialist, or leftist (if you could even explain the differences, since you lump them all together) to be a member of the LGBTQ community. At a minimum, however, I think it's reasonable to expect our community members to not ally themselves with those who sincerely wish us harm. Tolerance for intolerance gets you killed.

Yet Israel wants to eradicate Palestinians despite how there are no major genetic differences between Palestinians and actual Israeli people who are from the Levant.

[think before following links] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

[Sfmike64]

15 hours ago, Phallarchist said:

MAGA does nothing for me, but all of this pontificating makes me want to tithe to the RNC.

You don’t have to read it then……it’s not required.

[BannedWord]

5 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

Of course political views can differ - within a certain set of generally acceptable limits. If someone suggests "I think the federal government spends too much on X, which really ought to be a state/local responsibility, I might disagree, and even politely debate the proposition, but in the end, for the most part, people can agree to disagree.

There are organizations of significant size within the overall "MAGA" movement who seriously believe in violently overthrowing the government if they do not win elections. That is not a position that falls within those generally acceptable limits for polite disagreement. There are places of worship - primarily black and Jewish ones - where congregations have been slaughtered by adherents of these wacko ideologies. You don't see liberals - even the most radical ones - threatening to round up Wyoming ranchers and having them shot, but you sure do hear from some of these "Patriot" groups a desire to eradicate Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, Jews, LGBTQ people and anyone else who doesn't fit into their view of what "God's Chosen Land" should be. And they're armed - heavily - and losing patience.

So no, I don't think people have to be liberal, or socialist, or leftist (if you could even explain the differences, since you lump them all together) to be a member of the LGBTQ community. At a minimum, however, I think it's reasonable to expect our community members to not ally themselves with those who sincerely wish us harm. Tolerance for intolerance gets you killed.

Thanks. I don't think we are actually that far off in our thinking. I'm cautious to avoid a brush-stroke so broad as to suggest that, say, 'all Republicans espouse incompatible ideologies' or that they all 'sincerely wish us harm'.

I've been around here for a little while now. I'm not a liberal in the least. I'm Libertarian and best described as "fiscal conservative/social libertarian". I thoroughly believe in free-speech, Second Amendment, and civil liberties. Yes I'm armed, perhaps heavily, as a result of personal experiences and what we've seen in "defund the police" and the rise in violent crime since 2020. I don't believe in the least that I wish anyone harm or am intolerant of their rights or views, despite many of them saying they'd be intolerant of mine. I'm not going to lend credence to many of the more hate-filled comments, but I've found much more acceptance in conservative circles than in those who aren't. Your mileage may vary.

Do I like either Biden OR Trump? Nope. If I had to choose based on what is better for our country just seeing the past 17 or so months, I'm less thrilled with Biden than I was in 2020 and I wasn't keen in him then. I'd prefer a mean tweet over economic disaster and foreign policy failings, but that's just me, but I do not want Trump back. You and I have had our own disagreements, but at the end of the day, we agree that we can disagree civilly. I think that's a distinction that is often lost when someone in an LGBTQIA+ group diverts from progressive views to think that they agree with any violence against the community. Pretty sure you'll find that an overwhelming majority of those people support and defend your rights and will stand shoulder to shoulder to support your rights to even disagree with me/us. 😃

[Guest]

15 hours ago, Phallarchist said:

MAGA does nothing for me, but all of this pontificating makes me want to tithe to the RNC.

yes and pointless virtue signalling. I highly doubt any of the people here claiming "oh no! Not me! Never! I have morals and values! Masculine bros are racist!" Would actually in real life turn down someone who is their type who they later learn they do not agree with politically at all.