Classic Trump

[topblkmale]

 

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Electoral college and popular vote win.

 

[Erik62]

5 hours ago, TaKinGDeePanal said:

January 6 is the Constitutional deadline for all vote counts and certification, which is why Florida stopped the recount in 2000. Bush was ahead at that stage by 537 votes, but a private recount later confirmed that Gore won the state by around 5 figures.

Much appreciated. Would enjoy a post election coffee, if OK😁. 

[Erik62]

5 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

Well, there's the official answers, and then there's the reality on the ground.

I'm confident that most of the court attacks would be dismissed as rapidly as they were in 2020, for lack of evidence. And in several of the "swing" states from 2020 - ones that flipped from Trump to Biden - the laws about voting were updated to reflect court decisions handed down then. In those cases, the law will be even easier to apply, because the legislature will have spoken and blessed certain things (like drop boxes in a given state).

And where the 2020 decision hinged on the meaning of a phrase in the law, those decisions would be precedential for challenges this time. So, for instance, if the highest court in a state ruled that a law requiring that a mail ballot be "cast" by a given date to be counted means that the ballot had to be placed in the post office box by that date, then that ruling would apply in 2024 too. That is, unless the partisanship of the state's highest court has changed for the worse and the judges go "rogue" and overturn their own prior ruling.

That's the bigger concern: in 2020, the federal courts, including the US Supreme Court, turned away pretty much every challenge Trump filed. Very few of those cases even got to a full-blown hearing and trial because they were dismissed for lack of standing, failure to state a legitimate claim, and so forth. Generally, those kind of dismissals don't have precedential value on the actual merits of the case. So another federal judge could decide that, in fact, claiming X about the ballot counting process *IS* a legitimate claim, and tie up that state's votes in court. That said, no court actually required any state to not certify its electors or to let them vote, and I honestly don't see a path forward for that this time either.

That has to be balanced against the Electoral Count Act, which is what governs how state electoral votes are handled. That law was tightened in 2022 after the contentious aftermath of the 2020 election, and it's harder now to challenge electoral votes in Congress. One of the key changes was that under the old law, one senator and one representative could together challenge any state's electoral votes, and then they had to stop the count, go debate in each chamber separately, and then return and vote. That can take many hours if several states are challenged. Under the new version of the law, one-fifth of each chamber must vote to challenge, or 20 senators AND 87 representatives. There certainly will be that many Republicans, but even so, most are unlikely to actually vote to challenge.

So in sum, I think the ability to challenge the votes legally has shrunk. But we can't rule out shenanigans on the Trump campaign's part. We can only hope the system holds. One thing's for sure: I'd much rather have OUR lawyers on the case than the rag-tag bunch of losers Trump tends to have working for him; many of his attorneys from 2020 have either been disbarred or at least suspended from the practice of law. 

Hej BootmanLA, thanks for the response & I really appreciate the degree of detail. As you say, Trumps shenanigans are impossible to even imagine, despite the rules being tightened. Good luck 🤞 & I sincerely hope for you, the United States & the rest of the world that Trump loses & some morality & ethics return to guide world moving forward. 

[hntnhole]

18 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

Well, there's the official answers, and then there's the reality on the ground

Is there some way to "flag" a certain reply in a given thread, for later reference?  

This response was First Class; many thanks, BootmanLA. 

[nanana]

Best of luck to all partisans tomorrow. May your favorite candidate win. Hopefully we’ll come out of this still in a republic filled with peace, tolerance, and integrity. And many happy choices to make in the future. 

[Erik62]

17 minutes ago, nanana said:

Best of luck to all partisans tomorrow. May your favorite candidate win. Hopefully we’ll come out of this still in a republic filled with peace, tolerance, and integrity. And many happy choices to make in the future. 

Touché 🫡. Hopefully Kamala can win & although NOT PERFECT, I pray 🙏that she can bring some peaceful discourse to the train wreck that Trump has intentionally brought about. 

  GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES & ALL ITS CITIZENS 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰!!!!!

[PozTalkAuthor]

Let's not give the responsibility to divinities in this case, the only responsibility for whatever mess is happening is yours, American people. Because the world's future is in YOUR hands. Too easy to give the task in hand to some supernatural being when pencils, or whatever used to vote, is in your damned hands. We are all in America's arms for meds, for tech, for western world's main 20/21st century's progresses. So vote cautiously.

[PozTalkAuthor]

Sorry me, when I'm nervous I use wrong words. I meant, "VOTE WISELY". 

I really don't know how I'd feel in such a situation. With the world's weight over my shoulders maybe. When last June I voted for European parliament I was really really upset!

It is no longer matter of Trump or Harris, Macron or Lepen, Meloni Scholz or whomever; with conflicts, global health, climate change and stuff, we can no longer afford the comfort to say "which difference can I make, voting those folks would change nothing they're all the same". 

We are in a condition where autocracies are stepping over our heads and the climate as well. Good luck to the world let's hope it will be in wise hands.

[viking8x6]

On 11/3/2024 at 11:16 PM, topblkmale said:

 

312

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Electoral college and popular vote win.

 

Are we starting a pool here?

If not, could you please clarify what this post means or refers to?

Thanks

[BootmanLA]

16 hours ago, viking8x6 said:

Are we starting a pool here?

If not, could you please clarify what this post means or refers to?

Thanks

I think he's predicting the EV totals for Trump and Harris, respectively, and that Trump will win the popular vote.

Frightening a prospect as that is, the EV totals may well be close (if Trump takes the remaining swing states as of this posting, those may be exactly right). However, at this point, more than half of California's vote is still out, as is more than a third of Washington state's and almost a third of Oregon's (all heavily Democratic), which will cut into Trump's popular vote lead considerably and may eliminate it. At this point, though, it's possible all three predictions will be correct. 

[BootmanLA]

And to paraphrase a British gentleman of the early twentieth century: "The lamps are going out all over America; we shall not see them lit again in our life-time."

[PozBearWI]

Yup.  Right now I am contemplating resigning my local board seats.  Obviously I am not a representative of my neighbors, so maybe they should choose someone who is....

President Fuckhead is only a representative of himself.  Why so many don't see that is sad.

[Erik62]

I think the lights of the FREE WORLD will also struggle to stay alight. Putin, Xi Xin Ping, Netanyahu & Trump let loose on the world. Once the monkey is out of the box, it is not possible to get it back in & to shut the lid. Both Biden & Harris have failed DEMOCRACY worldwide through their silence,  their inaction, complicity with Netanyahu’s genocide, failure to speak out in support of the Gazan struggle for independence, their broken pledge (1994) to the Ukraine that they would never fail to protect their safety & independence & their attitude of providing ZERO protections from ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

    Lastly, the SHEER ARROGANCE of both BIDEN & HARRIS believing that they could completely trash the Muslim & student voter, the low paid & homeless against illegal immigration, install a nominee without due process & still believe that people would vote for them, shows just how out of touch the WOKE LEFT DEMOCRAT standards are.

    Biden & Harris, YOU BOTH will bare the blood of American, Ukrainian, Palestinian & Taiwanese peples if Trump does even half of what he prposes. 

  As Trump stated recently, "When he is elected President, you won't have to worry, THERE WILL BE NO MORE ELECTIONS". The land of the BRAVE & FREE may very well be JUST A MEMORY. 

[PozBearWI]

Wow @Erik62, thanks for your support?  

Harkening back to other analogies, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.  Blaming this on Harris and Biden is just stupid.  They aren't and never were dictators, and so they don't have sole control of outcomes.  We met our NATO agreements with Israel.  And it was important to be good to our word.  

I think grandpa Joe waited a bit too long to step back; but 2020 hindsight is always clearer vision that foresight.  

We, those of us living in the US, have work ahead of us to climb out of the hole we just dug.  So we have a choice fellows...  We can give up and do like the orange clown and whine.  Or we can get to work.  Who do you wanna be?

[hntnhole]

At the risk of a spoonful of triteness .....

"Hard work is GOOD work".