Gonorrhoea & chlamydia - how bad are they, really?

[ErosWired]

18 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

Sorry that has “the way it worked for me”. I consider myself promiscuous, yet I have dodged the bullet, so to speak. However my infectious disease specialist has warned me if I continue to get infected I will run out of options. I have been in this same situation when it comes to to HIV meds. Sorry, I don’t agree with you. Eventually, you run out of options.

Though you may disagree, it is nonetheless so. But you needn’t, because what your doctor said isn’t inconsistent with what I was saying. Basically, what he was saying is that if a promiscuous person keeps getting knocked up, sooner or later he’s going to run across one of the strains out there that has developed resistance to the available treatments. There are, for example, ‘super-strains’ of gono that are highly resistant to the standard treatments. It’s not that your doctor is saying that you’ll run out of options because you’ve damaged your body’s ability to resist the infection (your body couldn’t fight it off in the first place), it’s that you’ll run out of options because you’ll finally pick up a bug for which there aren’t any options left.

In the case of HIV, you’re dealing with a virus that mutates relatively quickly by comparison to the bacteria, so you have to contend with the danger of a resistant strain originating within you that you could acquire without being promiscuous, and one you could be superinfected with if you are promiscuous. In the former instance, strict meds compliance is key to reducing the likelihood by sharply curtailing the ability of the virus to replicate, snd therefore reduces its opportunities to mutate.

[ErosWired]

15 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

 I have had a viral load of over 5 million (most never  seen by a living patient)

I assume by this that you are saying your viral load of over 5 million is the highest recorded for a living patient? A 2015 paper titled Extremely high HIV-1 viral load in a patient with undiagnosed clinical indicator disease for HIV infection  reports the following:

HIV viral load 1 058 239 000 copies/mm3(log 9.02). 

The patient under study had an HIV-1 viral load of over one billion.

[think before following links] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4680573/

[hntnhole]

20 hours ago, KingB028 said:

I think a lot of the fear and confusion comes from how society has been shaped by religion (and other morality drivers)

Obviously, but irrelevant to the thread.  What is relevant, is being tested/treated regularly. 

 

20 hours ago, KingB028 said:

The problem, from what i observe, starts with not getting tested. When you don't get tested, you wont get treatment

Completely relevant.  I simply don't understand why guys who fuck the way we do don't bother to get tested, and very regularly. It's like a herd of ostriches at the beach - all (big) heads buried in the sand, and all (smaller) heads buried in each other.  There may be several theories as to why this situation exists, but again, irrelevant.  The point is, each guy needs to "man up", get himself tested and treated, and thus not share his infection with his fuckbuddies and/or anonymous tricks.  The conclusion is unavoidable that these guys are too self-centered to care about their "brothers-in-the-life", and that is tragic. Just because we reject one "culturall convention" doesn't mean we are therefore entitled to reject all cultural conventions.  We stop at a red light, because it's for everyone's safety.  We trust other, anonymous drivers to do the same. We step aside to let a wheelchair-bound person pass by first, because it's a common courtesy. 

We all know that culturally, we are rejects of the majority - a fact some of us revel in.  There is a price to be paid for rawfucking each other, and that price is getting tested very regularly, receiving treatment, and caring for our brothers at least as much as we care for ourselves.  It's not the straights we're harming when we don't bother - it's each other.  I know that some guys complain about the cost of precautionary acts, but that's simply not an excuse.  I get tested more often than is usually advised, because I place myself at risk of picking up bugs (and have), and thus not only for the sake of my health, but for the sake of my Lusts I get tested more often than the usual suggested time-period.  I'd rather catch the bug early, and get treated early, than wait to feel ill, which in some cases might not even happen. 

We need to give a rats ass about each other.  We need to support and uphold each other.  We can and must be proactive in caring not only for ourselves, but for our brothers as well.  If we don't then who the hell will?

[ellentonboy]

On 11/11/2022 at 5:31 PM, raw773 said:

Nah, this is false. There is no "memory" in the body on bacterial infections. The bugs are changing, but you aren't.

Wrong, wrong, wrong,  Those "bugs" are changing, and mutating, and if you want to die an early death just keep getting infected, and reinfected, and see what happens to you.  Eventually you will have no options.  But I will let you find that out for yourself.  

[ellentonboy]

16 hours ago, ErosWired said:

I assume by this that you are saying your viral load of over 5 million is the highest recorded for a living patient? A 2015 paper titled Extremely high HIV-1 viral load in a patient with undiagnosed clinical indicator disease for HIV infection  reports the following:

HIV viral load 1 058 239 000 copies/mm3(log 9.02). 

The patient under study had an HIV-1 viral load of over one billion.

[think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4680573/

I am still the highest taking meds that has been treated by a US Doctor, hands down.

[ellentonboy]

17 hours ago, ErosWired said:

Though you may disagree, it is nonetheless so. But you needn’t, because what your doctor said isn’t inconsistent with what I was saying. Basically, what he was saying is that if a promiscuous person keeps getting knocked up, sooner or later he’s going to run across one of the strains out there that has developed resistance to the available treatments. There are, for example, ‘super-strains’ of gono that are highly resistant to the standard treatments. It’s not that your doctor is saying that you’ll run out of options because you’ve damaged your body’s ability to resist the infection (your body couldn’t fight it off in the first place), it’s that you’ll run out of options because you’ll finally pick up a bug for which there aren’t any options left.

In the case of HIV, you’re dealing with a virus that mutates relatively quickly by comparison to the bacteria, so you have to contend with the danger of a resistant strain originating within you that you could acquire without being promiscuous, and one you could be superinfected with if you are promiscuous. In the former instance, strict meds compliance is key to reducing the likelihood by sharply curtailing the ability of the virus to replicate, snd therefore reduces its opportunities to mutate.

Well the two representatives from the CDC who sat in my living room were certainly interested.  They said they had never before seen that strain of HIV in the US. They asked if I had traveled outside of the USA and/or had I slept with someone who was from outside the US. The answers were both yes. The did not ask, they demanded his name, and when I gave it to them, they promised my he would be able to continue to work within the US.  They lied.  His passport was stamped not to allow him back in the US, and the airline he worked for meant they had to "reroute" him to countries other than the US.  I felt  bad for him yet he managed to keep his job but he could not "Stop Over" in the US.  I felt betrayed, and I felt I lied to him while these two liars from the CDC sat in my living room.  So he could not re-enter the US and they would prevent him from working here in the US.  Had I known they were "pieces of human waste" I would have lied to them.  Because I was a Federal employee at the time, I felt I was obligated to tell the truth.  I later told my parents I wish I lied.

 

[ellentonboy]

17 hours ago, ErosWired said:

I assume by this that you are saying your viral load of over 5 million is the highest recorded for a living patient? A 2015 paper titled Extremely high HIV-1 viral load in a patient with undiagnosed clinical indicator disease for HIV infection  reports the following:

HIV viral load 1 058 239 000 copies/mm3(log 9.02). 

The patient under study had an HIV-1 viral load of over one billion.

[think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4680573/

When I made that positng my doctor told me he knew of no other patient in the US who had a viral load as high as mine. I would have to check the dates because he said he was shocked I was still alive and to be honest I am happy I am.

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[hntnhole]

13 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

and to be honest I am happy I am.

So are we !!!

[BootmanLA]

16 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

Wrong, wrong, wrong,  Those "bugs" are changing, and mutating, and if you want to die an early death just keep getting infected, and reinfected, and see what happens to you.  Eventually you will have no options.  But I will let you find that out for yourself.  

 *some* of the bugs are changing - much of the "population" of gonorrhea bacteria are more or less unchanged and respond to treatment.

But you are so, so close to "getting it". Yes, there are antibiotic-resistant strains developing out there. But they have nothing to do with whether you - personally - are a slut or chaste as a nun. While those strains mutate and develop, there's no guarantee the slut will ever encounter one, and there's no guarantee his sluthood contributed one iota to the mutations. Meanwhile, the chaste person might encounter one on his first sexual encounter in a decade.

You make it sound like the slut person is incubating increasingly resistant strains and one day, one of them is not going to be treatable any more and he's hosed. That's not how it works, and to the extent you're giving that impression with your statements, you're wrong. 

15 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

When I made that positng my doctor told me he knew of no other patient in the US who had a viral load as high as mine. I would have to check the dates because he said he was shocked I was still alive and to be honest I am happy I am.

"My doctor...knew of no other patient..." is not the same thing as "I hold the record for...". You'd think this would be obvious, given that so many members here have documented that their doctors are unaware of this development or that treatment or this other concern - doctors are human, and fallible, and none of them know everything.

[PozBearWI]

Continuing though; each infection cycle results in some of the hosts DNA becoming part of the shedding virus.  The more rapidly they cycle though our species the faster they mutate.  

To the altruistic that point would not be lost.  We benefit our species by our informed behaviors.  

I talked a friend off the ledge yesterday.  He sent me an article showing the monkeypox problem locally with the nearest city at 37.  I replied that indeed that's how many cases occurred but there are no active cases.  With alarm he passed on a graph saying "don't believe it, here are the graphs!".  I view them, noted that the last reported case was on October 8 and no new cases have been reported since.  I indicated where on the graph one could see that.  

I don't think we have a problem of intelligence or ability though.  There is a lot of social noise these days and in a breaking news world, when does one spend time to reflect?  He was finding the information, he was just too distracted and/or alarmed to take time to read what was in the graphs.  

[Leatherman667]

On 11/11/2022 at 3:45 PM, tj87 said:

Had this recently - although somehow unrelated to an STD - I was negative for them all.
It is unpleasant. Started off with a bad fever and a stinging in my balls when I came. Progressed to an extremely sore and very swollen right testicle - I was walking around like John Wayne. Cipro cleared it up.

I had it too. Ended up in hospital with it. Extremely sore and swollen right nut!  Seems to be caused by a UTI! 

[BootmanLA]

46 minutes ago, JimInWisc said:

Continuing though; each infection cycle results in some of the hosts DNA becoming part of the shedding virus.  The more rapidly they cycle though our species the faster they mutate.  

To the altruistic that point would not be lost.  We benefit our species by our informed behaviors.  

I talked a friend off the ledge yesterday.  He sent me an article showing the monkeypox problem locally with the nearest city at 37.  I replied that indeed that's how many cases occurred but there are no active cases.  With alarm he passed on a graph saying "don't believe it, here are the graphs!".  I view them, noted that the last reported case was on October 8 and no new cases have been reported since.  I indicated where on the graph one could see that.  

I don't think we have a problem of intelligence or ability though.  There is a lot of social noise these days and in a breaking news world, when does one spend time to reflect?  He was finding the information, he was just too distracted and/or alarmed to take time to read what was in the graphs.  

But neither gonorrhea nor chlamydia is a viral infection, so there is no DNA exchange and there is no "shedding virus". Both are *bacterial* infections, which operate completely differently from viruses. Bacteria are treated with antibiotics (and different bacteria are susceptible to different antibiotics - and some become resistant to some antibiotics as well).

Monkeypox, however, *is* a virus (as is HIV).

That isn't to say your other points about altruism and education aren't valid, of course. They are.

[raw773]

19 hours ago, ellentonboy said:

I am still the highest taking meds that has been treated by a US Doctor, hands down.

Why don't you post some results 😉

[tj87]

11 hours ago, Leatherman667 said:

I had it too. Ended up in hospital with it. Extremely sore and swollen right nut!  Seems to be caused by a UTI! 

Omg yes - exactly... very harrowing trip to the emergency room...

We're busted-ball brothers lol 

[ellentonboy]

23 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

 *some* of the bugs are changing - much of the "population" of gonorrhea bacteria are more or less unchanged and respond to treatment.

But you are so, so close to "getting it". Yes, there are antibiotic-resistant strains developing out there. But they have nothing to do with whether you - personally - are a slut or chaste as a nun. While those strains mutate and develop, there's no guarantee the slut will ever encounter one, and there's no guarantee his sluthood contributed one iota to the mutations. Meanwhile, the chaste person might encounter one on his first sexual encounter in a decade.

You make it sound like the slut person is incubating increasingly resistant strains and one day, one of them is not going to be treatable any more and he's hosed. That's not how it works, and to the extent you're giving that impression with your statements, you're wrong. 

"My doctor...knew of no other patient..." is not the same thing as "I hold the record for...". You'd think this would be obvious, given that so many members here have documented that their doctors are unaware of this development or that treatment or this other concern - doctors are human, and fallible, and none of them know everything.

And neither do you.  Mine happens to be one of the most recognized and informed ID specialist in the world.  But that's okay, just keep telling yourself that. You live in LA, correct?  Good luck with the doctors in that state.