If You Can't Go On Prep Do You Start Bugchasing?

[Guest]

I found out about PREP years ago after getting stealthed and taking PEP.

Apparently in the US and other countries, bareback is finally and almost completely safe option (yes a guy still managed to get HIV but that is a rarity).

 

Unfortunately in some countries, including mine, PREP is not an option.

Fact is that I don't believe in "safe BB" unless you manage to have a monogamous relation.

Stealthers are out there pozzing guys who than inadvertetly poz other guys.

And even wortst I am of the slutty types, I enjoy anon hookups in sleazy places like baths, porn cinemas and parks where condoms often are not avaible or not enough.

 

So what more options do you have in this case? Wait for PREP ? There are not even talks for starting it here.

A lot of slutty bottoms I heard simply gave up trying to use condoms and accepted to become poz since here you don't pay for HIV meds.

 

I'm quite angered and confused about what to do, I guess I should either give up completely on my desire to BB or accept siero conversion as inevitable.

Whats funny is that here if you look for BB sex 2/3 of the people you will meet are poz looking to convert you.

 

So yeah, what to do? 

[tboyer]

Because I'm already POZ I can only tell you what I would have done, and that is just go ahead and bareback.

I know that Hep C can be sexual transmitted, but that didn't stop me from having Hep C guys from shooting a load

into me. I know that I've had guys with multi drug resistant HIV shoot a load into me.

[seaguy]

Can you get it from another EU country easily?

[Guest]

Can you get it from another EU country easily?

Nope, unfortunately is something we are still missing in EU is the chance to get treatments by other countries while remaining in ours. 

[fvkmebb]

here you can buy Tenvir-EM:

http://www.alldaychemist.com

 

and they will help you to bring your stuff to EU:

http://www.borderlinx.com

[Guest]

I keep hearing about other sources to get PrEP in other countries - maybe like fvkmebb just posted.  I've heard about a private facebook group too that's in some of these forums.  Search them out.  The fact you're on this site and so turned on by barebacking, you're going to end up doing it more and more.  However, that does not mean you need to become a bugchaser.  Chances are that PrEP or something even better will get approved if you can lower your risk some while you wait it out.  You are young enough - there is still plenty of hot barebacking years ahead of you   How much do you enjoy topping if it's raw?  I was a safe bottom till about 40 years old, then became pretty much a full time bb top for most of my 40s till PrEP came out.  realized I loved topping when a condom didn't ruin the feeling - plus I seemed to be in more demand as a top too - win -win lol 

 

Also, I have been a little surprised (but also makes my cock hard) reading about the stealth pozzing stories here and intentional pozzing, but I'm pretty sure this is not the general rule for the majority of barebackers.  Intentional pozzing is more a fringe fetish "I think".  Most poz guys are undetectable, and you are "safe" fucking with them.  I've shot some pretty huge loads reading some of the pozzing, incest, cheating , rape stories on here, but pretty sure the huge majority of neg guys are trying to stay neg and undetectable guys are trying to remain undetectable.  Fuckbuddies are the best.  You have to know that there is always the chance to turn poz if you're going to bareback and be ok with that - but that is a huge difference than intenationally bugchasing.

[hungry_hole]

I'm quite angered and confused about what to do, I guess I should either give up completely on my desire to BB or accept siero conversion as inevitable.

Whats funny is that here if you look for BB sex 2/3 of the people you will meet are poz looking to convert you.

 

So yeah, what to do? 

 

Apart from being on PrEP, I think that expecting to stay HIV-neg while having unlimited and unrestrained anonymous sex in bathhouses and hook-ups is quite unrealistic.

 

Anonymous sex is special, and for me the most powerful form of sexual experience. It allows me to realize fantasies, fetishes and role playing situations that become difficult to replay once I get to know the partners. That's why encounters with any long-term fuck-buddies have been 100% anonymous using a gloryhole.

 

But I'm aware that by engaging in anonymous sex I'm implicitly giving  consent to others to also realize their own fantasies, their own fetishes and their own role playing situations where I'm just an object to them. I was once visiting a large city and announced my visit in one of my profiles. A local guy contacted me because he really liked the idea of finding me blindfolded on my bed and then give me a good fuck and breeding. My profile said "bottom, HIV-" and his said "versatile, HIV-" so I never discussed HIV status with him. We had sex as described and even texted me 3 days later to do it again. I returned to the city a few months later and contacted him again to see if I could get him to breed me again. He then told me that he was really a bottom and that he topped me just because he was too turned-on by the anon scene. He also told me that he was poz, not on Meds and that he never told me because he thought I was poz just because I wanted anonymous sex.

 

I would never blame anyone but myself even if posex from anon stealthing.

 

Also, I have been a little surprised (but also makes my cock hard) reading about the stealth pozzing stories here and intentional pozzing, but I'm pretty sure this is not the general rule for the majority of barebackers.  Intentional pozzing is more a fringe fetish "I think".

 

I also think that intentional pozing is not very common. Some stealthing situations could be when poz men in a bathhouse feel the need to ignore their HIV+ status. I'm not poz but it must get tiring to have to always disclose HIV status before sex so I can imagine how freeing must anon encounters feel.

 

I personally think that poz guys need a space where they can feel free from having to deal with poz status. For that reason I have no problem with guys stealthing in anon situations.

 

"So yeah, what to do?" I guess, trying to limit the risk because the risk is inevitable.

[Guest ff-whole]

Great post...

After taking anonymous loads since my 30 - so for almost 25 to 30 years... In the beginning not to often than more frequent.

I am still negative [tested this month] and can't get Prep here, but  am thinking about buying it online.

Especially because I want to go to Berlin or USA party town for gays... and get totally pig-style whore-ed out and filled with anonymous loads until my ass can't take anymore.

Am I a chaser...?

Absolutely not... I want to stay negative, and maybe I am delusional in believing this is possible with risking taking so many anonymous loads, but I crave cum. I would take almost any person to dump his load in my hole. It is a drug for me... no other substances needed.

I too am a slut and love sleazy places... the sleazier the better, but I also want to stay anonymous and that is why I have to go elsewhere.

Soon on Prep and hopefully soon on my back taking lots and lots of loads...

[drscorpio]

I took loads for 20 years without turning poz before I started PrEP last year. That includ d lots of anonymous sex including trips to the baths. Yes, if you take stranger cum without PrEP, you will be risking catching HIV, but you are not guaranteed to do so. Don't make the mistake of actively seeking conversion only because it seems inevitable.

Sex with undetectable guys is a good strategy for staying neg. Barebacking within a small group is another.

[BillyBareback]

I've been barebacking for over 50 years, occasionally with people I knew but mostly anonymous. In the early 80s most of my fuckbuds got sick and died. But it never crossed my mind to use condoms. I had a man use a condom on me when I was a boy, and I didn't like it. I've never done it again. I'm still neg, but most of my friends aren't. I don't think it's conscious, but they didn't want to play when I was around. So, I've been seriously chasing ,and i love it. I've taken hundreds of poz loads this year, even hosting pozzing partes. Still neg as of last week. My friends have chilled so we can play again, and they all do anon without disclosing. One of them definitely stealths and is not on meds. I have to say, it turns me on. I think people taking loads have to take responsibility. If you don't want the bug and can't get on PreP, don't bareback. If you bareback don't want to convert and aren't on PreP and get infected, don't blame the guy who gave it to you, even if he knew. Not his fault, your fault. And don't assume you'd never hide or lie about your status to get laid. Happens all the time. If you want to be safe be safe. Don't expect the poz guys to make you safe

[Guest]

 

 

I personally think that poz guys need a space where they can feel free from having to deal with poz status. For that reason I have no problem with guys stealthing in anon situations.

 

 

In Atlanta, aside from the monthly cumunion at one of the sex clubs, there is also a monthly Poz4Play party.  Obviously there's nothing stopping a chaser from going too, but perfect setting for poz guys to get into anon group play with zero discussion and no expectation to disclose.