Trump rolls back trans and gender-identity rights and takes aim at DEI

[tallslenderguy]

 

"Donald Trump issued an executive order rescinding two orders that Biden signed on his first day in office four years ago, one advancing racial equity for under-served communities and another combating discrimination based on gender identity or sexual orientation."

“As of today, it will henceforth be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders, male and female,” the president said during his inaugural address."

[think before following links] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/20/trump-executive-order-gender-sex

 

[hntnhole]

8 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

that there are only two genders, male and female,

Thanks for that from The Guardian.  

It appears to be a generalized statement that the current President without much detail.  Maybe more a "de-rigueur" scrap of red meat tossed to his jockstraps ... er ... I mean supporters.  I suppose that crowd will get around to us at some point though, after trying to further disgrace themselves with the "immigrant" bullshit.  

 

[BlueSaphir]

As a community of LGBTQ, we should NOT sit back. Our rights are in danger. 

[hntnhole]

1 hour ago, BlueSaphir said:

As a community of LGBTQ, we should NOT sit back

Agreed.  Join your local chapter of the LGBTQ+ Democratic Organization, and take part.  RESIST.  

[BootmanLA]

On 1/21/2025 at 3:28 PM, hntnhole said:

Thanks for that from The Guardian.  

It appears to be a generalized statement that the current President without much detail.  Maybe more a "de-rigueur" scrap of red meat tossed to his jockstraps ... er ... I mean supporters.  I suppose that crowd will get around to us at some point though, after trying to further disgrace themselves with the "immigrant" bullshit.  

 

He actually issued the executive order implementing this on Monday afternoon. See here: [think before following links] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/ 

The order also revokes all efforts to apply Bostock (the gay/trans employment discrimination decision from SCOTUS from 2020) to any other circumstances, such as housing discrimination or educational discrimination. Not just the trans part, but the ENTIRE decision. What that means is that if a plaintiff sues, say, a landlord for discrimination against gay people, the federal government will now OPPOSE (via amicus briefs or even outright intervention) extending Bostock's reasoning that discrimination on the basis of sex includes gay and trans people - an opinion by Neil Gorsuch, at that, one that Chief Justice Roberts joined - should not apply to any other circumstances.

Dollars to donuts that if an employment case goes against an employer - as it must, under Bostock - the federal government will be urging SCOTUS to overturn that precedent as misguided. And right in the crosshairs after that is same-sex marriage, then laws against sodomy.

Everyone said "You're being hysterical!" when I said this was coming. Well, it's already well on the way. And all the gay Trumpanzees who voted for him because whatever reason are about to enter the "finding out" phase.

"But I never dreamed the leopards would eat MY face," sobbed the gay man who voted for the Leopard Eating Faces Party.

[PozBearWI]

@BootmanLA how do you imagine terminating our marriages is going to work?  Would they simply be automatically annulled?  Impact on back taxed risking arrest for tax fraud?  

[Erik62]

5 hours ago, PozBearWI said:

@BootmanLA how do you imagine terminating our marriages is going to work?  Would they simply be automatically annulled?  Impact on back taxed risking arrest for tax fraud?  

IF he simply annulled ALL GAY MARRIAGES, I really don't think the financial implications would worry Heil Musk. 

As long as bottom line didn't affect the government & legislation could easily be passed to make it go away 😱😱😱. 

  WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!! The economically poor "Redneck" Republicans will soon find that THEIR PROMISED HEAVEN is, 

ACTUALLY HELL🥺🥺🥺🥺. 

 

[hntnhole]

15 hours ago, Erik62 said:

IF he simply annulled ALL GAY MARRIAGES

I haven't investigated this issue, but it occurs that any marriage that was "legal" at the time it occurred, could only be specifically addressed at the SCOTUS-level in the courts.  The current resident of the White House cannot simply alter standing law on a whim.  Of course, that's not to say the SCOTUS wouldn't grab their ankles instantly and take it right up their withered, flabby Holes, but that process would have to take place first (shudder).

I don't think he can simply annul standing, legal anything, merely by allowing that particular turd to drop from his lips (or sharpie).  Of course, he can (and will) try, but Obergefell is and remains the law of the land.  

[fuckholedc]

On 1/22/2025 at 2:47 PM, BlueSaphir said:

As a community of LGBTQ, we should NOT sit back. Our rights are in danger. 

More than our rights.  Our lives are in danger.

 

Directly or indirectly that man and his immediate followers will cause a rise in anti-LGBTQ violence.  I will bet that this will be underreported, as trans murders, esp. people of color who were trans and murdered, were vastly underreported since forever.  By vastly underreported I mean that apparently both the number of people who were murdered was toned down and the report of their murders was either suppressed or relegated to a subsidiary story in whatever media  (so in old print media it would have been hidden on an obscure page - similar intentionally buried reporting appears in current media).

We can expect Matthew Sheppard-like murders to resurge shortly.  And these will probably happen fairly often, maybe every month once they start.  We need to focus on reporting this ourselves as we cannot trust non-Queer people to reliably report it.

[fuckholedc]

22 hours ago, BootmanLA said:

He actually issued the executive order implementing this on Monday afternoon. See here: [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/ 

The order also revokes all efforts to apply Bostock (the gay/trans employment discrimination decision from SCOTUS from 2020) to any other circumstances, such as housing discrimination or educational discrimination. Not just the trans part, but the ENTIRE decision. What that means is that if a plaintiff sues, say, a landlord for discrimination against gay people, the federal government will now OPPOSE (via amicus briefs or even outright intervention) extending Bostock's reasoning that discrimination on the basis of sex includes gay and trans people - an opinion by Neil Gorsuch, at that, one that Chief Justice Roberts joined - should not apply to any other circumstances.

Dollars to donuts that if an employment case goes against an employer - as it must, under Bostock - the federal government will be urging SCOTUS to overturn that precedent as misguided. And right in the crosshairs after that is same-sex marriage, then laws against sodomy.

This alone justifies seeking asylum in an actual democracy (Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands, Iceland, Denmark, New Zealand, possibly Canada), once it occurs.

 

[fuckholedc]

22 hours ago, PozBearWI said:

@BootmanLA how do you imagine terminating our marriages is going to work?  Would they simply be automatically annulled?  Impact on back taxed risking arrest for tax fraud?  

Gay marriage can't just be terminated via a presidential decree (an executive order).  Of course birthright citizenship can't be either but that didn't stop him from issuing an executive order, which was then blocked by a judge.  Watching where this goes will reveal his playbook.

The tax approach is interesting.  I don't know if that approach is possible so this is something to research.

Vox has the following playbook (the link didn't come up - here it is - [think before following links] https://www.vox.com/politics/385968/same-sex-marriage-trump-administration).  The problem is, that even if Trump is one of the stupidest people on Earth (and he is), he is also an unconventional thinker whose actions cannot be predicted.  We already saw under other R administrations that there are plenty of people available to provide unimaginable approaches to law tailored for any specific purpose (we say this with George W Bush's administration and their tortured legal justifications for excessive imprisonment and abrogation of human rights for people they wanted to target - this was usually in the context of near permanent detention of people who may or may not have been suspected of being terrorists or foreign combatants and the need and desire by the Bush administration to ignore established law wrt the Geneva Convention).

Edited January 24 by fuckholedc

[BBdaddybear]

51 minutes ago, fuckholedc said:

This alone justifies seeking asylum in an actual democracy (Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands, Iceland, Denmark, New Zealand, possibly Canada), once it occurs.

 

I think those of us in Canada should organize a massive asylum orgy in Montreal for our fellow American pigs so that can see what life in a country free from extremism. Crazy weekend at G I Joe’s bathhouse (said to be the best in North America) and visit the surrounding gay village, the numerous gay bars and restaurants and sample the other baths on the same street, and hookup on the sites with the many men that live in the village!  Vive la différence!

[PozBearWI]

Your fellow American pigs from the US would appreciate that.  

[PozBearWI]

25 minutes ago, fuckholedc said:

Gay marriage can't just be terminated via a presidential decree (an executive order).  Of course birthright citizenship can't be either but that didn't stop him from issuing an executive order, which was then blocked by a judge.  Watching where this goes will reveal his playbook.

The tax approach is interesting.  I don't know if that approach is possible so this is something to research.

Vox has the following playbook (the link didn't come up - here it is - [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.vox.com/politics/385968/same-sex-marriage-trump-administration).  The problem is, that even if Trump is one of the stupidest people on Earth (and he is), he is also an unconventional thinker whose actions cannot be predicted.  We already saw under other R administrations that there are plenty of people available to provide unimaginable approaches to law tailored for any specific purpose (we say this with George W Bush's administration and their tortured legal justifications for excessive imprisonment and abrogation of human rights for people they wanted to target - this was usually in the context of near permanent detention of people who may or may not have been suspected of being terrorists or foreign combatants and the need and desire by the Bush administration to ignore established law wrt the Geneva Convention).

I agree, but that doesn't mean he won't put out a presidential order.  More likely SCOTUS would do that since it is a SCOTUS decision that allows it, not legislative which would and should be the "normal" way to get things done.  

We have to wait and see on what the R party does here.  They are anything but normal at the moment.  I think you are being very kind by describing President Felon as an "unconventional thinker".  Although that is indeed an accurate statement.  The song "Oh Lord it's hard to be humble" was seemingly written in particular for him.  🙂 

So I don't think we're in much of a position right now to predict.  A few weeks will be telling...  

My question doesn't assume what will happen WRT gay marriage.  But in the event SCOTUS, either on their own or at Donny's behest; perhaps eliminating the need for big corporations from providing benefits to gay partners; what are the known ways that might work.  Would existing still have to be recognized?  Or would all be instantly annulled?  

[PozTalkAuthor]

What I see from here in the EU, is sort of revenge: MAGA folks are doing whatever to hurt political opponents in general, and underrepresented groups (including LGBT) are the "object" of their conflict.

I try to be rational, I ruined my days for the shock in November already, I do not want to do it again.

So, they also are eliminating all statements concerning accessibility, I have my best friend who's hetero but they're totally blind, and if accessibility is dismantled from tech, they'll be screwed both in work, and personal life. 

Tell me I'm building a conspiracy, even tell me my author attitude is influencing me. You could be right.

But I have a couple ideas. They have no interest in America's values or what they call them. They're interested in themselves! So...

Musk has ALWAYS declared his intention to "destroy the woke virus" ...woke? Mine is blissfully sleeping! 🦠☣️

No, seriously. Musk's daughter is a trans mtf and he's never accepted her as she is. Always saying "my son is dead" and so. Honey, you never had a son, open your eyes dude...

Trump is Musk's handpuppet and I even think of it about the guy he set free from prison, the one who sold substances in the darkweb.

Musk needs those """meds""" and maybe he asked daddy Donald to provide the right person...

Then, about DEI and accessibility cut-offs? Basically it's matter of money, and following weeks we'll see if he dismantles ADA (american disability act) too, and section 508.

Hopefully not.

But, is it coincidence? 

I just heard about an AI tool called "openAI Operator" which should do things, shopping included, by itself.

I have quite an experience with computers and digital products for my blind friend, so, I know they use AI as well.

But while it's now possible to navigate, explore, accessible products give you freedom, what happens if accessibility is dismantled? "Well, AI does all of it for you". And you'll get some super-expensive unaffordable devices which have a fence. You can do everything, but from here to there. With that closed-source account, and nothing else.

They just use us "underrepresented" group according to their convenience.

And careful, I said "they" not just about MAGA's, but even before.

If DEI and stuff was seriously a value for them, do you think they'd accept to eliminate it? 

Let's see what Apple does after February 25th, it seems the only one to resist, but I'm grown-up enough to be aware that there are no "good powers".