I agree that limits can be pushed only in fantasies. Of course, no bottom with healthy mind would want to go through such abuse in reality. Although, for the theoratical clarity here I would like to point out the difference between chem sex and chem violence. Rape is not SEX without consent, but it is violence of sexual nature that comes with politics of power dynamics. Politics is inersectional with the sexualities, power can come from any aspets like age, race, money, physical strength or anthing that creates imbalance / inequility. Difference between BDSM and violence is that in BDSM the slave craves the abuse because of the trust, skills and chemisty he has wih the master and both of them know that its a roleplay to be done with prior consent, also even through pain/torture/humiliation it still remains about the mutual pleasure. Violence is not sex although the act of penetration might be involved. This is a chem-sex forum, not a chem-violence one. Any random bully with corrupt power can choose to perpetuate violence of any kind on the vulnerable, whereas it takes skills, time, patience and chemisty to build that connect with a slave for him to want to crave the bdsm play. I imagine that story would be a challenge to write. One of us could try may be.