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Maybe, I don't know for sure, but I have serious doubts that he ever used it. I've never taken one, but I was under the impression things calm down after you cumor at least after cumming a few times. He was in the club for more than 4 hours, so he should have had multiple opportunities to empty his balls.

Early this morning when I went to leave the bathhouse, there was a younger guy getting dressed to leave that had a dick so hard that it looked painful. I know this is Portland, so it was not by any means an orgy atmosphere, but there was a wide variety of guys (including younger guys who would be considered hot by any standard) and there was some fucking (albeit mostly tentative rather than all out balls to the wall uninhibited fucking I prefer) and sucking, plus as usual a lot of foreplay, that didn't seem to be advancing to anything that would actually meet the definition of sex. As well as fetish play, it was pup night so lots of guys in dog masks with some of them being walked on a leash, as well as the usual couple of guys with caged cocks walking by themselves and at least one guy carrying a dildo around with him, which very which usually doesn't even lead to guys touching each other, let alone sex, although last night was an exception in that there were a few of the masked pups actually engaged in fucking. This particular guy had been making the loop though the club for most of the time I was there with numerous men (including me) trying to get him to do something, yet he apparently found it necessary to leave without meeting his physical sexual needs. I just don't get it.

I remember seeing a lot of MAGA signs and flags in FL with my parents last winter. I don't remember where they were most concentrated since we drove both coasts, but they were noticably present most places.

I wish more guys would discover this. Especially if the guy topping is uncut, you should at least try it without before adding artificial lube. With that said I have fucked guys that stay to dry to comfortably fuck without, but kow at this point my own hole self-lubes enough for any dick to use it with just spit to get started.

I can't disagree with any of that. I have had a few fuckbuds that identified as total top, but all of them let me top them at least occasionally, but as you said we aren't trying to attract the same tops. While it is not a scientific poll, I would still enjoy seeing some more responses to ErosWired's poll. I would actually love to see some good polls on the percentages of tops, bottoms and versatile for men who have sex with men, I kind of hope total bottoms at over 50% are over represented here on BZ, but kind of suspect they aren't. I have seen some fairly solid polls in academic research, that indicate only 30-35% of men who have sex with men engage in anal sex, which I suspect is fairly accurate.

Yet, your earlier posts on this thread have validated the point I've been trying to make: Even this one goes to the gist of what I'm trying to say:

@tallslenderguy I wouldn't exactly label my feelings about total bottoms as disdain, but will admit there is some frustration there, and do believe that some men are total bottoms by choice, while others truly can't perform as a top for a variety of reasons. I am always amazed when there is a poll here on BZ that asks for an answer that can be used to determine if someone is a total bottom the poll always comes out with more than half of the respondents claiming to be total bottoms, which doesn't really fit a bell curve since I've yet to see one of those polls come out with even 10% identifying as total tops. That is possible, but I still have my doubts. As to the topic of this post and many other posts I've either started or commented on, I do think there are a lot of total bottoms that are repelled by the idea of participating in any kind of sex with their cocks, but do not see the inverse of that from tops. In fact I see the opposite, almost every top on this forum, much like your FB, expresses an interest in their bottoms cocks, in most cases like to suck cock. My primary use for this forum has been to try to figure out how to get more guys to actively engage in casual fucking and encourage casual fucking across the board. I know my biases are entering into it here, but I frequently engage entirely as a top when I'm at a sex venue, even though I would prefer to be bottoming half of the time, mostly because keeping the sex going increases my chances of getting to bottom. Maybe it is unreasonable, but my expectation is that, like you are doing for your FB, bottoms could at least allow their top partners to play with and suck their cocks to facilitate sex happening. Having a cock pic available on the hookup apps seems to me to be a really small price to pay to facilitate more fucking, and several bottom posters have confirmed that they get asked for cock pics and have put them on their hookup profiles or leave their cocks on offer when they are hooking up at an in person avenue for exactly that reason. If we are all lucky, maybe all of us will wind up getting more fucks to satisfy our wants. I'm also interested to see some more responses to the poll that the OP created as a sideline to this thread, he only has 4 responses from total tops, but so far even among total tops, 75% are interested in their bottoms cocks. I'm guessing if you ran a similar poll for just versatile tops, you would find 99.99 of versatile tops are interested in their bottoms cocks, as well as getting 3 times as many responses.

While I will readily admit I am both reading too much into this, and applying my own biases, I think bottoms not showing their cocks in the hookup apps diminishes the amount of casual sex available for everyone, including the bottoms trying to get fucked. Other than a few guys that are in deep denial about being gay or bi, most of the potential tops know that they are intentionally hooking up with a man, and prefer to see you as a man with a cock. There are numerous threads here on BZ by bottoms, about how to make their cock smaller, how to keep from getting hard, how to prevent tops from touching your cock, and etc. I see not providing a picture of your male sexual equipment on the hookup apps as an extension of this. I can't prove it but I see this as a cause for the lack of gay sex in some cities and regions. Here is my theory: once you have enough guys taking their own cocks completely out of the hookup sex equation, you start seeing the less sexual driven bottoms and tops giving up. Once that happens in an area, guys start finding alternative ways to have "sex", you start seeing profiles that exclusively list non-fucking activities that 2 bottoms can do with each other without involving cock. You see guys start up groups to hold cuddle parties that specificly state no contact below the waist allowed, and the local sex clubs start hosting events that cater to these non-fucking tastes like massage night, dildo playdate night, and fetish nights that devolve into nothing more than modeling your fetish gear or acting out a kink no fucking. Once those things become normalized, guys that are actually trying to top and actually bottom give up on using the apps, bottoms stop presenting their asses at cruising spots, sex clubs and bathhouses. Ultimately the 30-35% of us that are truly in the versatile to top range stop looking for asses to fuck on the apps and at in person cruising spots and venues out of pure frustration.

My personal experience with men fucking men is not limited to the PNW. Despite the fact that I have lived in the PNW for almost half of the time I have been having gay sex, I would guess that the number of hookups represents less than 15% of my gay hookups. Most of the time I have lived here I was traveling at least 75% of the time, and had my hookups in other regions sparing myself the frustration of trying to hookup locally. Total tops, or guys that concentrate solely on the ass and hole when they are topping, are exceedingly rare everywhere I've ever hooked up. The guys you are hooking up with are not disqualifying you for not participating with your cock, but I would bet a significant are at least somewhat disappointed. My other observation is that there are a lot of total bottoms that feel exactly like you do on the subject.

That's better than Sniffies here, most of the profiles don't list any activities other than cuddling. The cuddlers are just as big of problem at the bathhouses as they are on the apps.

As a verse guy that has been more versatile top than fully versatile over time, I agree with your sentiment. I'm not going to respond to a guy that doesn't have a dick pick in their profile. I find guys that are cruising for man on man sex that take their own cock out of the equation a turn off. I have even posted a few rants about bottoms showing up at sex clubs and bathhouses in chastity device, because I see that as the same message. I would also guess from poll results and personal experience that even among total tops the percentage that don't like to play with and suck their partners cock is probably less than 10%, since total tops make up less than 10% of the population looking for gay sex on the hookup apps, it means less than 1% of the total population of men using the hookup apps don't want to see a picture of your cock. If you want to look at it from the perspective of men that will top at all, which is less than 50% of the population to start with, it is still less than 2% of your potential partners that don't want to know what your cock looks like.

Yes, but more would always be better. By LA, Denver, Palm Springs or Vegas standards it would have been an incredibly slow regular Thursday night at the fuckjoint.

It's actually more important on the apps, than at a bar/fuckjoint. I'm not sure I've ever came right out and asked a guy I was getting friendly with whether they like to fuck or get fucked and specify that you mean with a cock outside of the PNW, but here it pays to do it if you don't want to waste a lot of time learning about all the "wonderful" ways to have sex without fucking. I'm happy to report that no one was walking around with their dildo offering to use it on guys trying to get fucked at last night's Cumunion, but to be fair the bathhouse across town was hosting their regular Thursday night dildo playdate party at the same time. Luckily no one tried to talk me into just cuddling either, and I both fucked and got fucked, so by local standards it was a good Cumunion.

The bottom of the suck ramps at Steam Portland were packed with 12-15 hopeful cocksuckersvat the Cumunion party tonight, but I never saw more than 2 oral tops offering their cocks at the same time (there are only 3 glory holes). Unfortunately there was almost no fucking, but I was lucky enough to both fuck and get fucked.

I went to Cumuniin tonight and it wasn't quite a total bust. I fucked 3 guys, and got fucked by 3. I took a load in my ass, but when I got ready to go home Steam was almost empty and the only thing happening was group jack off in the downstairs porn viewing area or one guy still waiting hopefully for a cock to suck on the suck ramp. Most of the time I was there, there were 12-15 oral bottoms waiting hopefully at the suck ramp, but I never saw more than 2 oral tops offering cock to be sucked at the same time.

It doesn't happen the majority of the time, but it isn't rare either for a guy who is topping me to either try to jack me off or ask me to jack off and cum while they are fucking me. I've even explained to a few, if they can fuck the cum out of me great, but if they can't I'd rather fuck it into a hole. Occasionally that even leads to a flip fuck with mutual breeding, which is of course my favorite scenario. I mostly fuck in sex clubs and bathhouses and almost always have a hard dick while I'm getting fucked.

We have the exact opposite at byhouses here in Portland, the bottom areas of the suck ramps almost always have a few hopefuls waiting around, and if cocks are being offered for sucking guys will line up 3 or 4 deep to suck them, but very few guys are looking to fuck or be fucked. I'm fully versatile, and unlike most of the country where there is a shortage of tops and a surplus of bottoms, there is a shortage of both here. I see guys getting offended by the idea that you thought they wanted to either fuck or get fucked, in both ABS and bathhouse situations, a lot. I don't know which is worse, the guys that get offended by the idea of fucking, or the ones that know 1001 ways to have sex without touching a cock and insist on telling you about them.

I can't find the article at the moment, but the psychologist who started promoting "side" as a gay sexual position did so because he thought the term asexual was offensive. Personally I can't comprehend not wanting my cock stimulated and cumming often, but I've learned that there are a lot of "sides" that don't want to include touching each other's cocks when they play (talking to guys at my local bathhouses), as well as total anal bottoms that don't want to have their cocks touched or to cum (here on Breeding Zone). I've learned a lot in my sexual frustrations over the last couple years, when I was traveling several weeks out of the month and could meet my needs in other cities I really didn't care that much why no one was fucking here in "no fuck land".

"Side" seems to be becoming the accepted term for guys who neither give or take dick. There is some debate about whether guys who only do oral should be included in the "side" classification since there is a large number that don't even participate in oral. I'm still waiting for a definition of "power cuddler", that was the hot self descriptor for BBRT profiles that don't fuck a few months ago in my area.

The bathhouse hosting tonight's Cumunion, already has 2 parties a month where they issue glow stick wristbands by position. They already have colors for top, bottom, versatile, oral and none of the above and I hear complaints that just 5 options is inadequate. Maybe, I am starting to see their point since this guy probably picks the versatile wristband, even though he is really a bottom. Before now I thought they were upset that there was no options for cuddlers or tit play, which are both popular bathhouse activities here. To be fair 75-80% are selecting the oral and none of the above hues, so maybe they have a point about the number of options being inadequate even if you take the loose interpretation of versatile out of the equation.

Unfortunately "side" has been completely preempted by the guy where, "you can lead the dick to the hole, or the hole to the dick, but you can't make him fuck." I'm just as happy if they identify themselves that way up front. Maybe I can get them to wear a scarlet "S" on their foreheads in the fuckjoints and cruising spots, so I don't have to waste my time with them.

It is pretty simple for me to answer, I'm versatile. As long as there is mutual attraction and the other party isn't "functionally lesbian" we can fuck. Unfortunately we have the same problem at the in person hookup spots as we do on the apps,

I know I'm being snarky, but if that is the case, it seems to me that he might fit in better at the other bathhouse's regularly scheduled "Toy Box Thursday" (dildo play date), than go to the Cumunion Party tonight. He could even get a discount rate for showing them his dildo(s) when he checks in at dildo play date.

It almost seems like the hookup apps need to take the initiative and create a list of questions to determine what a posters position is, BBRT already has questions on whether you give or take loads for both anal and oral. It would probably look something like this: NOTE: If you only perform an activity with someone you know, and not with someone you just met online or while cruising you should answer no to the question for the purposes of this hookup app. 1) Do you engage in anal sex with online hookups or in cruising situation? 1a) Will you penetrate an anus with your penis? 1b) Will you allow your anus to be penetrated with a penis? NOTE: If you answered no to both 1a and 1b you do not have an oral sex position. 2) Do you engage in oral sex with online hookup? 2a) Will you insert your penis into someone's mouth? 2b) Will you allow a penis to be inserted into your mouth? NOTE: If you answered no to both 1a and 1b you do not have an anal sex position NOTE: If you answered no to 1a, 1b, 2a and 2b, you are a "side" please list your desired activities.

I'm absolutely certain that emulating the Que, Que for Quoquo puffs right is going to make being gay more politically relevant or accepted. The only thing it has done for the MAGA is create even stronger resistance to their increasingly radical agenda. I lean pretty far lower case l libertarian, i.e. live and let live as long as you aren't harming others, but also believe that to really make that work you have to lead by good example.