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I'll bet he has .... and plenty of times. More, it's not just the places he's referencing, it's the "results" of those "intimate conversations". Hand, mouth, Hole, or all three ??? No need to repeat it, Lilly .... we get it ... you're taking loads in the privacy of your offices. The only question is, how much do you have to pay them?

Thank you, topblkmale !!! I was hoping it wasn't some automated, non-human thing: (at least until A.I. takes over everything). And, thanks for enlarging the colored text - I was able to make out the red-colored words fairly easily with that font.

Recent reports from the collapsed House of Representatives are murmuring that the scorpions are about to devour their young .... meaning the baby-faced Magaroid Speaker. McCarthy has packed his kleenex and gone home now, Mikey-boy has completely failed to advance one productive bill. It's to the point that Chip Roy (21st, TX) stood in the well hollering over and over again words to the effect: "Tell me one thing (index finger jabbing skyward) we've accomplished that I can go home to my district and campaign on. TELL ME ONE THING !!!" This from a Republikan from Texas. So who's to blame? That body might as well blame the same old thing: The Speaker, of course. Failure of leadership. Failure across the intellectual board. Failure to accomplish the insurrection he was so invested in. Failure to even partially control his razor-thin majority. Failure in it's awful entirety. Apparently he can control whether his kid ever watches porn, but he can't control anything else. That tortured wreck of a man is, if major media is to be believed, already on the skids. Maybe Marjorie Trailer GreeneTrash will be the next to descend to the dizzying depths of failure that the House of Representatives has become. Or, maybe that pompadour'ed serial rapist from Florida's 1st District. At least it wouldn't be any fresh news that a rapist had advanced his career - after all - he'd just be following in the footsteps of the original king of the ridiculous Pompadour. He'd probably dye it a matching shade of orange too.

Welcome, GyroLover. Glad you found what you need - we hope to hear more from you. Good luck.

Had you mentioned prior that you already have a boyfriend?

To the OP's topic though, "a Liberal" means someone who supports Progressive (i.e. the process of addressing cultural/social deficits, and in support of ameliorating those weaknesses in our collective lives. The word "Nice", in and of itself, can mean anything from the absence of malice to active support of humane social/cultural causes, and has become so generalized it's not of much use in serious discussions. "Conservative" carries a connotation of preserving those inequities that need to be addressed. The BLM movement, for instance. Yes, it took a breathtakingly blunt murder of an American who happened to be of African ancestry by a Caucasian cop to rip the blinders off the general public's eyes, and force the issue onto the front burner. Another example, very recently, is the inexcusable, overt racism emanating from the former Mayor of NYC, even after conviction of the same. Generally, "Conservatism" promotes conserving the wrongs of the past, in support of a minority afraid of losing their assumed cultural dominance. Liberalism promotes adjusting the focus of the public towards justice and equality across the board. A more coarse way to say it might be the "us first, then everyone else" viewpoint, vs. sharing the whole pie equitably in the first place.

Can someone give me a brief explanation of what a "troll" (in the above context of this post) actually is? It seems that a human (?) called Harry has been stirring this pot - is a "troll" (not in the sense of a broken-down old person) some mechanical device? Or an actual human behaving like a troll ....

Wellllll ..... Experience counts, right? 😉

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Last night over to Slammer .... looks like I'm the one getting fucked tonight though - flooding rains, high winds, warnings of every kind and description today, continuing on into the wee hours. Dammittall ... 😖

HELL yes !!!!!!!!!!! Plain-kissing a guy is aright, I guess - but cum-kissing a guy is fan-fukkin-tastic !!!

LOL .... yeah, it may very well awaken something in him you wouldn't want to wake up !!! That's silly ... no matter what moniker you or he attaches to the relationship. Chronological age has relatively little to do with loving relationships. Do your own parents take an interest in fulfilling that crucial role? Does he sense that you need parental care? Usually, one pair of parents is plenty for most of us. One thing you haven't mentioned is, has he had any sexual experience at all with other guys? Has he ever sucked a Cock? Fucked a guy? That answer would go a long way to figuring out your next step.

Thanks, Flared, for the interesting response. It sounds like he's trying to carry more burdens than most guys can. Has he sought professional help with alleviating these issues? When we try to carry too much at any one time, it's hardly surprising that he's so conflicted. It might be worth a try. If you're concerned he could back away, try to come up with some contrivance (oh - you have a buddy who sought counseling, got better, blah blah blah) that would encourage him to find a professional that can help. If that previous marriage was his only "relationship", and it ended badly, there's little wonder he's skittish about getting into another one. Obviously, we don't have enough insight here on BZ to offer concrete advice; I'm no professional councellor, Of course - I would venture that one can't exist without the other. Maybe it's varying degrees of attraction? If you don't believe he's actually gay, then how is it you believe that you can fully receive "love" from him? He receives comfort, a kind soul to be present with the added benefit of physical interaction (including sexually, occasionally), but that's not a definition of "love" that I'm acquainted with. I don't doubt that he loves you, in a limited way - as much as he's capable of it - but he's apparently carrying a ton of emotional baggage too, which may prevent him from that deeper state of intense love we normally associate with that word. Since he tells you to "get a boyfriend", that's the flip side of telling you he doesn't believe he will be able to bring himself to being that to you. It sounds like he's being upfront with you - he knows what you want, and he doesn't believe he can fulfill role for you. I guess it all depends on whether you can accept what he's offering, and be thankful for it. Romance can have unlimited shades of color, from brilliant red to whatever some soft hue of vague pastel. Keep an open mind, and you may wind up with both: a boyfriend and a mentor/friend. Thanks for the interesting post !! Best of luck to you both.

To the OP: some of us don't see some colors very well, including me. I couldn't make out what the colored text is. I'm assuming it's either red or green, neither of which I can discern. Judging from other respondents, it must be an interesting topic though ...

Perfectly said; thanks BBBxCumDumpster. One time, my other half brought home a beautiful young man, and the kid loved getting sucked off at the same time he was getting fucked. That kid stayed for almost a week, until - wait for it - his mother kept calling him to find out where he was !!! I don't like the idea of fucking jailbait, and we told him he had to go home, which he did. However, he left his jacket behind, so he'd have an excuse (for his mother) to come back to get it. It always always, always just drove me into Pig Heaven watching him suck off Cocks/taking loads ...

I'd call your description an understatement, at the very least. At 41 years, he already has an "established" pattern to his life, and perhaps he's been wondering about his sexual orientation for quite a while, without daring (for any number of reasons (cultural, religious, etc.) to actually do anything about it. With what information you've given us, I rather doubt he "loves" you in the traditional sense of that word. More likely, he likes you (maybe very much), but he's terrified of any overt act that he would interpret as confirming what may be his most terrible fears about himself. I think it's interesting that he allows you to jerk him off - which is an obviously overt sexual act - but draws the line at anything more. He'll return your kisses, finds comfort in sleeping with you. To the "parental" issue, it may be that on your part, it may not. You'd have to find out more about his motivations, how his mind works, how cultural/religious repressions have stunted his ability to be who he needs to be. Maybe he's not actually "gay" either, but many of us aren't totally straight or gay either. To the issue that he doesn't want his ass touched, some committed, very sexually active gay men just don't like their ass fooled with; I happen to be one of them, yet I'm 100% a queer, dedicated Breeding pig. It seems there are several issues to resolve before any definitive thoughts can be offered: 1. Love is one of the most powerful human experiences. When anyone (g, st, whatever) is "in love", the need to express that love intimately becomes pressing. It's why some call fucking "making love". Love is the paramount quotient for these folks, and expressing it in myriad ways - including sexually - is appropriate. Lust, on the other hand, is an important driver for folks who embrace their wholeness, and can be expressed in pretty much one way: sharing sex. Thus, 'love" is expressed in the totality of their lives, and "lust" is expressed mostly with (any) other similarly-inclined person. Love and Lust are not the same, interchangeable things. 2. I'd suggest that you devote some time to figuring that issue out on your own. By all means, continue with your current m.o. with him, but figure out on your own what you really need/want. You're young, but you can take all the time you need to ask questions of yourself, and eventually answer them truthfully. At 19 years, you've probably got a number of emotional issues to resolve intellectually - where in the "grand scheme" do you fit in? - how to live your life - what's crucial to you - what's important (but not crucial) - what do you really want out of life? Stuff like that. You don't mention what kind of conversations you have with this man, but if you can open up to him, it could be an enriching, positive experience for both of you. Maybe he won't dare to allow himself to do that, maybe he will. In any case, thanks for the post. It's an interesting issue. Good luck, and let us hear more from you.

Interrupting a practice that isn't all that healthy, in favor of repeating a sexual practice that is totally healthy, necessary, important and crucial to our well-being is entirely laudable. Hats off to NWUSHorny !!!

Same here in Ft.L. The envelope on the end of the bar every Friday afternoon doesn't fill itself, you know ...

THIS !!! 100%. I go on an "exercise" walk in the mornings, not quite 2 miles, and it's happened a few times: the guy on grinder, staring at his phone, suddenly looks up, around, wondering which guy is trying to contact him or whatever. If he looks at me, I just say "nope, not me" and keep my stride. These guys are like automatons focused solely on their phones. Guys today have very limited skills at cruising - and it's a shame. It's fun to cruise guys, even if you're not "in the mood", or doing something else at the moment. The art of tossing off a double-entendre laced with sexual undertones is fast becoming a lost art.

There are a number of variables that affect the duration of a fuck, and of varying impact. KylerIsTrash points out one that's certainly applicable to many Tops, but there can be other variables too. Each of us differs somewhat in what turns our crank the most, what throws the mental switch into a "fuck-magic" state. For some, it might be a truly filthy-mouthed bottom in heat, for others it might be some visual/aural component. Doesn't really matter what the trigger is, all that matters is each guy winds up well-fucked or well-drained. We're all in the same sexual boat, but that doesn't mean what's one guy's perverse goldmine is every guy's goldmine. So, we roll with what is presented, and make the most of each guy we fuck.

We can hear "The Call of the Wild" anywhere - anytime. Whether or not it's appropriate to answer that call right then and there is questionable though. I've picked up guys at the damn grocery store occasionally. We don't fuck in the canned beans aisle, obviously - but the store's only a short drive from home anyway .....

There's another way to consider/understand this issue: A certain basic level of respect is due to every person, every other person regardless of "grouping", if we're calling ourselves civilized human beings. That basic level of respect is the "default" position, as opposed to an assumed "disrespect", unless and until x person demonstrates their worthiness of our respect. Unfortunately, the above quote demonstrates the opposite: disrespect being the default position reflected, with some measure of respect only doled out if x person/group happens to (advertently or in) - reverse the judgement. Just my 2 Lincoln's worth.

And you do? That's not having "balls" - that's just plain old anti-social garbage.

First, this has been a fascinating discussion, and thanks to every guy that's contributed. To the quote above: it's entirely correct. Some guys just don't like women very much, and certainly don't like the idea of seeing "female-anything" in the fuckjoints. That disinclination, however, belongs to them, and should remain in their minds, not their mouths or behavior. There is absolutely no valid reason to be anything but mannerly, polite, to every single person at a fuckjoint. We don't "owe" each other having sex with folks we're not attracted to, but we do owe each other some measure of respect. How does it hurt a guy to acknowledge the humanity of some other guy that has the courage to deal with such an involved issue as gender-reassignment? We don't have to fuck them, but we do have to be decent human beings - none any better or worse than any other - until bad behavior enters the picture. Everybody gets to be who they need to be, and no one gets to judge others for merely understanding themselves, and taking serious and complex steps to become what they simply need to become.

I understand your point, and it's well taken. The difference, as I see it, is that the extra, "outside" action - whether on the part of one or both - would be that each guy knows in advance that it will happen, finds it sexually exciting, and there's not one iota of dishonesty in that. Merely the details of each outside encounter (when, where, how, etc) are missing, and by tacit agreement of both guys. Whether those details are eventually revealed or not, both guys are aware, and get a thrill out of knowing the other is having outside sex. Example: My life-partner and & had that kind of agreement from the day we met, let alone became a "couple". We had an office at home, but often one or both of us had to deal with business downtown. I knew perfectly well how long those larger staff meetings could take, and when he was later getting back home then it should have been, I knew perfectly well that he'd stopped at some glory-hole joint on the way home. And, it turned my Cock into granite. When I was downtown, and took longer to get back home than usual, he was naked, waiting on the bed, watching porn. Point: no lying, no (actual) cheating, no harm done at all. Just two men who loved each other, in all it's thrilling variations.