Sex with straight guys

[rock-cock-jock]

There's a topic called, "About Bi-Sexuality ... Are you?" in the straight/bi forums that provides some insight why they have gay sex. Some as you've said are interested in only the cock, not the guy it's attached to or any other reason

 

[fskn]

6 hours ago, JamesL100 said:

Many [straight guys] don't want the intimate scenes like kissing but will jack off in male groups.

I guess they fear that homosexuality is contagious and can be transmitted by kissing. 😂

In all seriousness, it would be interesting to find out whether these men also dislike non-sexual intimate contact (kissing, hugging, cuddling) with their wives, or whether they specifically avoid it with other men.

5 hours ago, bluedragon said:

I remember reading a quote from a female porn star [...] One time she decided to mix things up and record a scene with a guy with a smaller dick, but she got flooded with complaints. All from straight men.

I would love to get a psychologist's take on this. Is it that some straight men have repressed homosexual desires and really do want to see big penises; that they are merely curious and want to see how they measure up; that when they see women being fucked by big penises, they imagine that they themselves are similarly endowed, and fantasize that they are sex gods; or something else?

Edited March 3, 2022 by fskn

[rock-cock-jock]

@fskn Have wondered about this no kissing thing whenever it occurs. Have had it happen across eastern, central and western Canada. Not all the time but enough to be a thing. I've always thought it was like avoiding too much intimacy or too personal or something. But, my basis for that assumption is really just watching that scene by Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, so not exactly an authoritative source. Could also be like a masculinity thing.

 

[Guest]

On 2/21/2022 at 10:03 AM, ErosWired said:

The concept of a gay man seducing a straight man into sex seems to draw its allure from the sense that the straight guy would normally be unobtainable - and we want most what we cannot have. But the sharp, immutable separation between “gay” and “straight” is a myth that was dispelled 74 years ago with the publication of Kinsey’s Sexual Behavior In The Human Male (1948) in which he debuted the Kinsey Scale. The Kinsey Scale illustrates the findings of Kinsey’s comprehensive research, which found that sexual identity is a fluid and changeable spectrum, and very few people occupy its extreme ends. For more on this, check out: [think before following links] [think before following links] https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/kinsey-scale.php

In the years since Kinsey’s publication, other studies and scales of human sexuality have been developed to refine Kinsey’s foundational concepts. One notable scale is the Klein Grid, which reflects the possibility that a person’s sexual orientation may change over time. You can take a simple assessment to see where you might land on a Klein Grid at: [think before following links] [think before following links] https://bi.org/en/klein-grid

I never think about whether a guy who fucks me might be straight because:

A) To my mind, a “straight” man is someone whose sexual attraction is, by definition, exclusively to women, so if he’s sexually motivated enough by a male body to fuck it, he cannot be, by definition, “straight” as the term is defined. Excuses like “My girlfriend won’t put out and I need a warm hole to nut in” don’t hold any water; a truly “straight” man would find the very idea of fucking a dude repugnant. I am very well aware of Kinsey, so I realize that such labels are basically meaningless anyway.

B) I’m a bisexual. I married a woman and had exclusively hetero reproductive sex for over a decade, and produced offspring. The sex was good. After that ended, I shifted gears and the sex is good. If in the unlikely future event of my finding another suitable female partner, I would switch gears again, because I do monogamy when I take a vow. But because I myself order from the full menu, it doesn’t occur to me to wonder whether anyone else is any different.

C) And it’s not as if it matters anyway; my purpose is to serve the sexual need of men with my body. Not just certain men, but any man, and every man who seeks it, without criterion, including his “orientation”. The only thing I need know is that he wants to fuck me; if so, he is automatically entitled to it.

D) I am very well aware of Kinsey, and so even if I did somehow think to wonder if the man cunting me were straight, I would instantly get bored thinking about it because the question would be meaningless. A more interesting question is, when a woman is pegging me with a strapon and doing as good a job as any Alpha, do we think of her as a straight woman?

Yeah these men are bisexual, or in some cases,they are gay and deep in the closet or in serious denial.

I have two buddies who I grew up with who are gay and married to women. They know I am bisexual and the one guy was out when we were in college together and we sort of fooled around some but after graduating he went deep into the closet, married a woman, and he and his "wife" are in a sexless marriage and given how she is morbidly obese and they adopted children I guess he makes up excuses when she gets horny and just masturbates alone in the shower? We have mutual friends and two of them who are also bisexual know he is gay, but after he went back into the closet or in denial he stopped hanging out with all of us as much and did not like how we are out.  I know this guy married a woman as his family expected it and HIV/AIDS was just starting to get known about. I have no idea if his adult children know he is gay, but they might suspect or just wish that he would finally admit it?

The other gay friend is from a very strict and traditional background and from an East Asian country and married a woman in an arranged marriage and he is gay but stayed married to his wife as his parents and family members expected him to be married, stay married, have children, and divorce or being anything but heterosexual are both seen as being "failures" and in the country and culture he is from conversion therapy is still legal and practiced. He lives in the USA and has for over 50 years but stays deeply closeted.

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, rock-cock-jock said:

@fskn Have wondered about this no kissing thing whenever it occurs. Have had it happen across eastern, central and western Canada. Not all the time but enough to be a thing. I've always thought it was like avoiding too much intimacy or too personal or something. But, my basis for that assumption is really just watching that scene by Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, so not exactly an authoritative source. Could also be like a masculinity thing.

 

Or maybe they do not like to kiss? Or see it as too intimate?

I know total bottom gay men in open marriages who only like to kiss or suck off their husband, and with any hook ups, fuck buddies, or other men who they get with for sex only they just want to get fucked hard, have their ass owned/used, and filled up with as many cum loads as possible that these tops can give them.

[hntnhole]

7 hours ago, fskn said:

or something else?

They're probably just envious.  They live with all these female-related restrictions, and we don't live with any of those "controlling" demands.  Even including some possible, subliminal urges - they're still trapped in PussyLand. 

Ya pay your money and ya make your choice.

[BannedWord]

12 hours ago, rock-cock-jock said:

@fskn Have wondered about this no kissing thing whenever it occurs. Have had it happen across eastern, central and western Canada. Not all the time but enough to be a thing. I've always thought it was like avoiding too much intimacy or too personal or something. But, my basis for that assumption is really just watching that scene by Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, so not exactly an authoritative source. Could also be like a masculinity thing.

This really grinds my gears too. Kissing with someone that really knows how to kiss is exceptionally hot for me. It enhances the experience and easily gets me more and more turned on. Kind of like how alcohol can be a social lubricant, kissing for me is that sexual lubricant. If they won't do it, I'm almost immediately disinterested. 
I think I've heard nearly every excuse why for the anti-kissing argument:

• I only share that with my girlfriend/wife/fiancee. Then what are you doing with me? Go home to them unless they're not doing it for you.
• It's too intimate. So you'll take a guy's cock in your mouth and swallow his cum but kissing is too intimate?!? WTF?
• I don't want to get attached. Good, neither do I, especially if you won't. Do you really think a tongue  is going to make you more attached than sucking a dick?
• It's just weird. And are you in the closet so far that stepping out on her for cock is heteronormative in your world but kissing isn't?
• It's a step too far. 🙄 Making out is too far, but taking my cock and my load up your hole isn't?!?  
• I don't like kissing.  Geez, I hope we get to this part of the dialogue before I finish my first drink and pick up a second round. I get it, some people don't. But I'd really be interested in what turns you off about it not because I want to force it on you but because I want to know what is going through your head and what else you can't handle before we accidentally go there. Like how far in the closet are you really?

Your mileage may vary and I either pissed off a ton of people, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that finds a hot makeout session a great prelude to...more.

I'm reminded of the Monty Python film (The Meaning of Life) where when the observing class is being asked how do you get a woman aroused for penetration, everyone has the same answer and John Cleese responds, "You don't have to go leaping straight for the clitoris like a bull at a gate. Give her a kiss, boy." Same with the dick.

[fskn]

@TheSRQDude, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Beyond the rationalizations for the 'I like kissing, just not with you' scenarios that you list, you raise a very good point about the prospect of other hangups, in people who don't like to kiss at all.

Thanks for your clear and insightful post.

Edited March 3, 2022 by fskn

[LetsPOZBreed]

I grew up in a very conservative area of the southern US.  When I was in uni, I would get hit up by the "straight-curious" guys on the local gay chat room.  A couple of them ended up being my fuckbuddies, which was nice.  What made it work in these scenarios is that both of us had an understanding that the relationship was purely sexual...neither of us was looking to date the other.  As a result, the sex was about the sex; some cases there was kissing, some not.  Also, it was a good way to keep my sex life as private as possible and not have it bandied about town with the gossipy queens...my str8 sex mates didn't want this info out, and I wasn't about to advertise it and ruin whatever contacts I had.

Sure, there were the odd cases of straight guys who were too paranoid and it just flopped (proverbially and literally)...but like any other bad hookup, we just left it and moved on.  

I can definitely see the benefit of it if you want a purely sexual relationship...but it's the kind of thing where you both need to have an agreement of what is on and off limits from the outset and stick to it.  

[hungry_hole]

This thread reminds me of something that happened to me when I was in my late 20's and was infatuated with a 19 yr-old hot jock-like straight guy. We sometimes worked out together and after a few months when he had already decided to move away for a job we ended up at a motel. I still remember his great body and I liked him so much that sex itself was not the main part. But he ended up fucking me which was nice because I was also kind of in-love with him. It was strange, but in the middle of the action he started kissing me passionately. He later told me that he was surprised that he felt compelled to kiss me. 

A couple of days later he moved away but we kept in touch. I knew that at some point he had a girlfriend which didn't surprise me. During these months he was sometimes defensive about our friendship, but a few months later he suggested I go and visit him so I booked a flight and I went for a week.

When he picked me at the airport he was very defensive and cold and on our way to his apartment he warned me that this gay stuff was not for him and that now he was no longer interested in sex. It was very disappointing for me because we slept in the same bed I couldn't touch him. I hardly slept the first night.

The next morning he was still a bit cold and he suggested I go for a ride around town in his car because it was going to be a very busy workday for him. I went out around 11am and after lunch I found my way to the local gay sauna. I was feeling depressed and getting fucked and bred is what I wanted to do. I spent the afternoon at the sauna and although it was never too busy there was also a couple of guys around and would eventually come into my room. This was in the middle of the AIDS crisis but I wanted so much to feel like a slut that I didn't discriminate. I took a few loads that day and after a few hours I went back to my friend's apartment with my hole loaded. I figured that if we are not having sex at least I would enjoy feeling the cum in my hole.

When I rang the doorbell my friend opened the door and with a big smile in his face says "Would you like to take a shower with me?" When we went into his shower I managed to wipe out excess cum so he wouldn't know that I had already been bred. We ended up in his bed where he eventually fucked me and deposited another load. It was very hot and he never knew my hole was already loaded with anon cum.

Straight guys are unpredictable and because of the confusion in their minds they tend to play games.

[ronnie4u]

Ever have 1 of your straight friends , party at your house , ever drink too much - went to the bath room - he was bouncing off the walls a bit - taking to the bath room helping him ! He was laughing - having trouble getting his cock out - then offering him help - unzipping - pulling his cock out ! While his cock were in your hands - you could not refuse - started squeezing it - jerking it  a bit - cock harder - telling him you are helping him aiming his cock !  You are receiving a erection - mentioned to him you had to piss too - pulling yours out - he was staring at yours . While you were squeezing his cock - getting harder - several times both cocks bumming into each other - pissing !  Telling him it was ok feeling that way - telling him to start touching your hard cock !  He was scared but starting to getting used to it - he beginning to stroking it harder !  He was still drunk but you had complete control of him - having him sitting down - his dick was throbbing - you knew you had him now - you stroking yours harder too - both about to cum . While he was squirting -you started stroking his cock - smearing his cum all over his cock - your fingers found his cunt hole - rubbing - pressing your finger -fingers slightly in his cunt hole while your cock bouncing near his mouth .  Telling your straight friend - stroke your cock harder - harder - you know he feels your cock throbbing - about to squirt . You are squirting your cum load in / near his lips - face - telling him it is ok - doing it - he was in your control - commands - you smearing your cum load on his lips - telling him to lick the cum - tasting it !  He does so - telling him lick and suck your fingers - then his cum on his lips too - soon he was doing anything for you ! Then lighting up a joint - toking - deep hits - it was your turn licking and sucking him clean . Afterwards , back drinking and  smoking a joint - soon it was bed time - he was smashed - feel asleep - both naked - you spreading his crack - butt hole - doing him - soon he was moaning - moving while your cock was hard up inside him . He was fighting a bit - first time for a straight male - you finally cum - holding him tight - having sniff poppers - then taking your cum load - near his lips - smearing his lips - telling him to lick and suck it - telling it is the BEST fr him !

[fskn]

5 hours ago, hungry_hole said:

Straight guys are unpredictable and because of the confusion in their minds they tend to play games.

Well said. They are coping with their own fears, with strong social programming, and, in the case of an ongoing friendship like the one you describe (amazing post, by the way!), with uncertainty about their feelings for you and your feelings for them. That sex sometimes happens in spite of these constraints is remarkable, and makes it all the more exciting.

(Incidentally, I don't mean to make excuses for straight-identified guys, but to acknowledge some of the psychological struggles they face. This is a descriptive exercise. If I wanted to take a normative tack, I'd say that they need to get over their mental hangups and start putting their dicks in whatever holes make them feel good, already! Of course, a normative approach usually fails, for being a simple solution to a complex problem.)

22 hours ago, LetsPOZBreed said:

I can definitely see the benefit of it if you want a purely sexual relationship...but it's the kind of thing where you both need to have an agreement of what is on and off limits from the outset and stick to it.

An agreement is good as far as it goes, but people continuously discover new things about themselves and about others, especially when it comes to sexuality.

[hungry_hole]

32 minutes ago, fskn said:

That sex sometimes happens in spite of these constraints is remarkable, and makes it all the more exciting.

You're right that it makes it more exciting. I was ready for sex and cleaned my hole, especially at night because after supper he would start turning-off the lights and I knew he wanted some action. We would start in the living room and then end up in the room, have sex and fall asleep with his cum in my hole. He woke me up a couple of nights to have sex in the middle of the night, which was nice. But months later we stopped seeing each other.

[BeastMaster]

On 2/23/2022 at 5:10 PM, evilalex said:

I fantasized about straight guys when I was growing up. I had to, there was zero gay representation in the media, and I didn't know anyone who was openly gay. I had a lot of gay sex in jr high and high school, but those guys consider themselves straight today. Honestly I don't really feel that comfortable around straight men. I'll blow one though. Especially if he has a gf waiting at home. I like the power it gives me over them- I know their secrets. 

Exactly. And getting into their brain. After all, if they're sneaking around behind her back it's easy to show them who they really are. 

[YourNoLimitsBottom]

What I do like about straight guys is they just want to fuck and be sucked and do the stuff they may not be getting from a lady. Sometimes I just want to fuck. I want all of that extreme stuff you couldn't get your lady to do. Want to experiment? Got some fetishes you need to act out? Even better, some BDSM that makes the ladies cringe? Let's give them a whirl!

What I don't like is when they are using you for a substitute for a lady and are imagining her as they do you. It's OK when you are in a missionary or doggy style, but one of the worst experiences I had was with a straight guy several inches shorter than me who obviously like to fuck women bent over various things in his apartment. The logistics sucked.

I know once a straight guy has nutted it is normally done and time to go. I accept that, hell if I am there just for the fuck I appreciate that. I'm not looking to convert someone and I'm not going to stick around and discuss feelings.

I really do prefer gay guys though, because they want to fuck ME and not some woman they are imagining. They are more in tune with my body.