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No, he's racist because he's constantly saying things like "those f*cking Jews", and "lazy ass nego"... He's got Jewish/black friends but is constantly pointing out problems with the group as a whole...

There are a lot of gay guys that are racists. But I'm not sure gay guys are any more racist than everyone else. I've watched my Polish contractor for a year I've seen him think a lot less of black guys. Just about everyone he hires (as a worker or subcontractor) is white or Latino (despite the fact that our place is in the middle of Harlem - one of the epicenters of all things black). Then again, I've also seen how things backfire on him when he tries to hire black guys (when people on the block were pressuring him to hire locals). One literally threw himself down a hole in order to get workman's comp. A guy from the block came into the back yard to get a big rock for a neighbor (sort of without permission) and managed to drop the rock on his finger and need to go to the hospital and get stitches. Those are the only two safety issues on the site so far (knock wood) - and both involved the few black guys who were ever on the site. And the black electrician he hired was just incompetent and had to be fired. That all may sound racist - but it's just what's happened... Then again, here I am in the middle of Harlem and so far the person on the block who seems to like me the most is an African American woman, and the person who hates me the most (as in really and truly hates my guts) is white... Oh - and my best friend at the moment is one of the biggest racists I know - and he's got a (submissive) black boyfriend... He's sorta of a race fetishist. He's gone through an Asian phase, a Latino phase, a black phase, and I think his next phase will be Middle Eastern... So I've seen how even guys who like minorities can simultaneously be racist by fetishizing them... It's all very complicated...

I'm working through the details now - arranging bottoms... I've reached out to some of you. So get back to me if you want to get gangbanged. The gangbangs are tentatively scheduled for: Wednesday 3/28 from 5-7pm Friday 3/30 from 5-7pm Saturday 3/31 from 2-4pm I'm trying to match up similar bottoms - one gangbang will just have bug chasing bottoms. Maybe another will be Neg4Neg, etc.

Non-fiction = real life Fiction = made up, or embellished reality, or don't want to admit to it being true

As far as I know, it's not an option. Certain sections of the site are hidden from non-members, photo galleries are hidden from non-members, but the basic profile information is visible.

I agree 100%. Still, I'd say, when possible, it's a good thing to think through the questions before you have to make the decisions. If you have guiding principles that are based on life experience (like my "take meds only when absolutely necessary and then in the smallest possible doses"), then the decisions you have to make in the heat of the moment with minimal research will be ones you'll generally be comfortable with after the fact.

Thanks for the defense, but before you guys get in a flame war over something that's barely relevant to the thread I should probably mention that the incident i question happened maybe 50 years ago - it was sorta family legend and I can't remember if it was pneumonia or something else. The point is, the pediatrician in the family made all his kids sick by asking them to do something all the other (non-MD) parents in the family knew was a dumb idea.

Why not just assume the profile text is fiction (which is often is) and reply with something like "Hey - would love to dump a poz load in you." OR just pretend you didn't see the "neg only". If you've been clear that you're poz - it's up to them to read your profile (and/or ask questions).

So basically he works for the drug companies, and you think you should take his advice on when to start medications? I wouldn't trust someone like that.

Tony - Doctors put poz guys on meds quickly even when they're genetically predisposed to be able to "control" HIV - they often don't even bother to check whether someone is capable of conrolling HIV. For those people the drugs are clearly worse than the disease, but they get the same one-size-fits-all therapy everyone else gets. And I do understand HIV is fatal in most cases if left untreated - it's not a lesson you forget after caring for someone who dies of AIDS. I've also made it clear many times over that I'm not advocating zero meds - there is a time and place for them. We've had this discussion and you know how to interpret what I say, even when I'm a little sloppy in choosing my words. Your situation notwithstanding, I think early and aggressive treatment will come back to haunt a lot of guys - and for them the side effects of early and aggressive will be worse than a more laissez faire treatment plan. I still say your scenario would be a worst-case scenario for me personally. I worry about you 10, 15 years down the road. But I also completely respect your choices - they were researched and well-informed. The problem is most guys just do what the guy in the white lab coat tells them to do and in many cases that's a bad thing to do.

Not sure how many times I have to say this... The question is not whether to take meds, but when to take meds. You seem to think just 'cause a doctor is from Johns Hopkins that his advice should be followed. My uncle was Professor Emeritus in pediatrics at Hopkins. One year he decided it would be good for his kids to run out barefoot in the snow to get the morning paper. They all got pneumonia that year. Being from Hopkins puts you in the top tier of doctors, but it doesn't make you infallible.

That scares me. Are you sure your doctor isn't actually a drug rep for one of the pharma companies? lol The problem is that poz guys have been a discriminated class for a while and now the doctors are showing they'd rather hurt a poz guy with long-term drugs (that they may not need so quickly), than risk neg guys getting pozzed (by being stupid and getting fucked raw). This sets poz guys up as being a 2nd, lower, class and not worthy of the same level of individual care and respect that neg guys get.

Agreed - there is a point at which you need to take meds - and you went past that point. But taking them immediately after being pozzed, seems to early, and taking over 2 dozen pills a day seems excessive.

What was the youngest guy at the party? How many of the holes did you cum in?

I've been pretty vocal in another thread about my perception that doctors are giving poz guys ARVs too early and too aggressively. When you'll be on medications for 20, 40, 60+ years the long-term effects of the medications can be worse than the disease they're supposed to treat. I see Tony's situation as my nightmare scenario. I've talked to Tony in person about some of these issues and I respect his choice to make informed decisions about his health, but I personally would choose the exact opposite treatment plan if I were in his shoes. I'd delay taking meds as long as possible and then take as few as possible.

Age? Stats? Are you talking about the bearish guy?

Yeah, if you have to prove you came, milk a little cum out of your dick at the end. If the studio absolutely insists on it (as TIM did when I was in Dawson's 20 Load Weekend), then a good top will do half the load outside, then push it back in (using it as lube) and continue unloading in the bottom's ass.

I'll be organizing gangbangs at IML... Will be making plans closer to the date.

Sounds like you're looking for tops like me. Thing is, once I start drinking I'm only any good as a piss top. Hit me up and we'll set up something (as my crazy schedule allows)...

I'm the type of person that always seems to be in a relationship. Even when I was in my 20s I was dating guys most of the time... It's actually a bit of a problem 'cause you can fall into a relationship that's "easy" but not quite right for you. Most of the time it would take me breaking up with the guy - it was pretty rare for me to be dumped. In contrast I have friends who seem to be perpetually single. Nice guys who seem like marriage material, yet they're rarely in a relationship. If they do get in a relationship it doesn't seem to last. [There's also a 3rd type - a good friend dates guys intensely, then gets bored and breaks up with them.] So what do you think is the difference between the guys who are always in a relationship and the guys who are perpetually single? Are the single guys too picky? Always shooting for A+ rather than A-? Do they not know how to compromise? Do they go for "the wrong type" of guy? Thoughts?

[Here's the proper Part 2...] The next few weeks were intense. I gave Jamal a load or two every day - and fucked him even more than that. He was my focus those weeks, and he responded with perfect puppy dog attentiveness. I was his daddy - the top who was converting him. He was loyal and obedient - a perfect sub. He made it clear that I could have anyone fuck him I wanted - I reassured him that time would come, but I wanted to make sure it was my poz seed that converted him. Over those weeks we formed a really strong daddy-boy bond - I'd almost call it "love" but it wasn't stereotypical romantic love. Given that I was infecting him, some people might even call it abusive - but he genuinely wanted me to poz him. He longed for the permanent connection that would come from me knocking him up. I would be his poz daddy - forever. I love seeing a boy get to the stage where they crave a connection with their gift giver, but while I'll be the only poz daddy he'll ever have, to me he's one of (hopefully) many. Granted, he stands out, but there will be others like him over time. I made it clear to him that if he wanted things to go on after he was knocked up, that he'd have to earn my time and attention. I don't have the time or energy to support freeloaders. He was pretty much made to serve, so that was no big deal for him. I told him the ground rules were pretty simple - he could do any job he wanted provided he could do it in a jock strap. So escorting, making porn videos, being a gogo boy, working in a sleazy gay bar, being a naked maid, stuff like that. But my needs came first - he had to help me with my business - so whatever other jobs he got he had to do them part time. But all that would come after our current "honeymoon" period. He didn't get to just goof off the weeks while I was converting him. I started him working for me - just simple stuff to see how well he did and how seriously he took it. He did pretty well - asked the right questions and showed he had real potential. One thing we started on the 2nd day we were together was videotaping our fucks. I made a point of having him beg for poz cum and for me to infect him. It was a pretty big commitment for him - 'cause I insisted he show his face. He knew lots of people would see the video and that he'd basically become the face of teen bug chasers. The whole scenario was a big turn-on - and he was really showing his commitment to me in the process of making those videos. I mean you can't go back to a respectable life after videos like that. Everything he did for me was without pay (though that would eventually change - sorta). He was my slave and existed for my benefit. Of course, that meant I had to take care of him. But for him the stakes were pretty high. Going back to his old life wasn't really an option. He had to make things work with me. He had no money and no prospects other than me. So he worked hard to please me. Early in the second week with me Jamal woke up in the middle of the night all sweaty and running a pretty high fever. We both knew what that meant… He had gotten his fuck flu and I was now officially his poz daddy. The whole thing turned me on… I slid my dick up his hole - his fever meant his hole was like a little furnace. The increased temperature felt incredible. He just moaned as I fucked him. He felt like shit. I came pretty quickly and right after I came he ran to the bathroom and threw up in the toilet. He was a sick little puppy. He just went back to bed and curled up in a ball. While I wasn't going to cum again any time soon, my dick was still hard, so I spooned with him and slowly piston fucked his ass. Logistically things were difficult for fucking 'cause Jamal started having pretty severe diarrhea. But the solution to that was pretty simple - no solid food - just fluids. By the end of the next day there just wasn't anything in him to come out. Things were different now that Jamal was poz. My seed had accomplished its goal and I could share his ass with other tops. Given how sick he was I wasn't going to start with gangbangs, but there were a few tops who I knew who I thought would get off on fucking an 18 year old who was going through his fuck flu. A couple of them were unmedicated poz tops so I started with them. After the first fuck by another top Jamal told me "Daddy, I feel like shit, but I can take more. Do what you want and don't worry about me." Needless to say I took him up on his offer and set up a gangbang. I thought about making it poz tops only, but decided on a different strategy - a poz tops only gangbang followed by a neg4neg gangbang - after all, Jamal's last test was neg I advertised the poz tops only gangbang on bbrt and here on Breeding Zone. Despite there only being one day of advance planning, the response was pretty great - 11 tops showed up. I encouraged them to be verbal and tell Jamal was a slut he was and how he was destined to be poz cumhole… Needless to say they loved how hot Jamal's hole was thanks to the fever. One of the tops was wearing a PA. I have a PA and had fucked Jamal with it, but I'm pretty careful when I fuck with a PA. This top wasn't careful at all - Jamal actually started bleeding. Not so much that it made a huge mess, but there was a definite pinkness to the liquid that was coming out of his ass. I wrapped that gangbang up by 9:30 and then guys started arriving for the "neg4neg" gangbang at 10. I had advertised this gangbang on Craigslist and Adam4Adam. Turn out wasn't as good - only 5 tops showed up. I had to explain to the first few that a couple other tops had come a little early to dump their loads - but with 12 loads in him, Jamal's ass was literally oozing with poz cum. Several of them asked if I was sure he was neg - my answer was factual, but incomplete - "He tested neg 3 weeks ago. I was with him when he got tested." That made them happy and the went about their fucks. Some of them asked "is he OK - he's really sweaty and hot" - I said he was a bit under the weather - but don't worry, he's still really horny. It was hot seeing neg tops fuck Jamal's cummy hole. I know at least 3 of the 11 poz tops weren't on meds, so between Jamal having an astronomical viral load, the cum they were using for lube was high viral load as well. Then there was Jamal's blood - the cummy mix in his hole was getting pinker with every fuck. After the gangbangs Jamal and I crawled into bed to sleep. He hadn't been all that responsive during the gangbangs since he felt like shit, but he put his arms around me and said "Thank you daddy - I liked tonight a lot. Can we do it again soon?" Needless to say I was up for it, so I got out of bed and set up gangbang party listings for the entire next week. Then I crawled back into bed and cuddled with him. Amazingly he was horny. He got over me and sucked my dick and sorta put his cummy ass right in my face. Damn that tasted good! 17 loads were in his smooth boyish butt (including mine). Needless to say I got hard thinking about what my boy had endured that night and how, after all that and being sick as a dog, he was still horny and wanting to have sex. We changed around to spooning with my dick up his ass. I'd gently pump his cummy ass which felt incredible. He was wiped and fell asleep first. I was sorta wiped too - it was the first time I ever fell asleep with my hard dick up a bottom's ass. I woke in the middle of the night with a hardon. Jamal was asleep and dripping with sweat. My dick had come out of his ass, but I lined up and shoved back in. He woke up after a few strokes, turned his head around, kissed me, and then buried his head in the pillow as I fucked his still cummy hole. I came pretty quickly and we fell back asleep and then there was a repeat again just after the sun came up… Jamal was my little cumhole and I really loved fucking his tight little boy butt when it was full of cum. I mentioned to him that if he wanted to stay with me when things settled down that I expected him to take loads from other guys pretty much every day. The more loads he got in him, the more likely I would be to fuck him and give him my load (after all, he wasn't the only bottom I was going to fuck). His response was, "how many loads do you want me to take, sir?" I had to explain to him that while it's every bottom's dream to dedicate their lives to taking loads, he needed to balance sex with working and making money. The rest of that week was just about him getting fucked. Word spread about the teen who was getting gangbanged while going through fuck flu and more and more guys came every night. I had a few "neg4neg" gangbangs mixed in there, but for the most part is was a piggy free-for-all where Jamal took all loads - poz, neg, and not sure. When the weekend came we started the gangbang each day at noon and it went until about 3am. Jamal's stamina was incredible. It's good it wasn't the regular flu 'cause he wasn't getting enough rest to recover. By the end of the week I had lost count of the loads he took. I think it was somewhere between 200 to 250. And I can genuinely say he enjoyed it. Every night when we'd crawl in bed and go to sleep he has a huge smile on his face. A couple of the neg tops of the tops who fucked Jamal contacted me a week or so later, they had been to a few of the neg4neg gangbangs and thought they'd picked up whatever it was Jamal had and were wondering what it was. I said I wasn't 100% sure - but Jamal had gotten better in a week with no medication - so they shouldn't worry about it. Needless to say they went on my list of tops for future "neg4neg" gangbangs

When things are contained in a group they don't bother the average member. But some of the Six Six Six / Devil worship guys are a bit psycho and sound like they're on some other planet - that's not useful, so the discussion is banned (in general discussion).

I'm going to unsticky this thread... I'm not videotaping anything at the moment - will pick it back up in late April...

I found the people who got into that (and other similar) words were problematic to have on the forum - so I make it difficult for them to express their thoughts.