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Retail lube locations are so rare nowadays. I have been know to hit up one when I find it, buy a HUGE selection of the small bottles, and give ~ six as a birthday gift. It's fun having the product to try. They are hella expensive. And the little bottle are convenient for travel or 'outings'. Plus you get to try all the types and brands. Makes a great gift. It's naughty without being too dirty to give a friend or open in a group. In my experience different lines are better for different times and activities. Liquid Silk and its companion line Maximus are consistant favorites. I like silicone sometimes when I fuck the boy, because of its tendency to repel water, um 'dirt'. Sometimes I like Elbow Grease when I fuck the boy because it feels so condom unfriendly dirty, and I know his hole will still be lubed later for seconds. ID has some jelly lubes on the market. I like the tubes because I can toss them in a drawer, under a pillow, anywhere, and not have to worry about them standing upright, like with SO many bottled lubes. Always leaking dammit. The thick ID jelly is far superior to the thin for me, but when I start masturbating, my precum adds moisture. I love j lube and have made bucketfuls to play with before in our home steamroom. After a discussion with a dirty minded friend, I bought him a dozen containers of it online (pays to shop, some was much cheaper!). He plans to fill a baby pool with lube. Holy fuck that sounds fun.

Hot story! What happened the next morning? Did you have a hung over cant-do-it-enough fuck? Did you talk about it? Was it his first time too? What'd you do for your second time m/m fuck, I mean who wouldnt be driven for repeating that?!

fucked my boy at 7:00 pm Sunday and deposited a load. fucked him again around 11:00. the smell of my earlier load! and the feel of it making his ass perfect . . . I came in minutes.

I am the same way breederboy, and it has gotten worse. For me it is negative experience after negative experience of having a bottom suck my dick in prep for fucking and doing it TOO DAMN ROUGH. Ass is like warm velvet. and ass doesnt have teeth. Ass can't exert enomous sucking pressure like I got my dick stuck in the vacuum hose. I love the idea of a bottom wetting my dick wanting it in his ass. I know how tempting when I pull my dick out and it is quivering and leaking precum. I want to rub it all over the bottom's mouth and nose just so he has to smell it (and I get to kiss him like that!). But fuck! I am so tired of having my dick ruined by getting hoovered and chewed and gagged on. The rough sensations on my dick make it unable to enjoy the subtle ones of an ass. And no matter how I say "gentle! gentle!" it does not seem to work. So I am more and more not letting a bottom boy take my dick in his mouth. Any advice?

gosh people are quick to take offense! I am not a sex professional, or a therapist. But my answer would be 'yes'. One of the worst insults from one Jewish person to another, is to call someone a "self-hating Jew." CLEARLY there are a LOT of us self-hating homosexuals. I say 'us' because I was raised trying not to be gay. I went to a psychiatrist at age ~15 who tried to convert me to straight. Now age 53 I have been w my partner 30 years. Out my whole adult life. And we share a 41yo boy for seven years now. Have everything I could want. But absolutely no doubt those feelings of low self esteem persist. I would argue this is true for the vast, vast majority of gay men. Society is still FULL of messages that we are bad and inferior. Of COURSE our low self esteem over our sexual preferences manifests itself in practicing our sexual preferences! This is not to say bareback sex doesnt mean many other things - Freedom. Power to control our own destiny! Love between men. Spirituality. Connection. Defiance. A celebration of life itself! But it also for many men no doubt it comes from a place of low self esteem. "I deserve to be used." "I deserve to get HIV." "I need to be filled to feel complete." "I am evil, might as well join the forces of darkness" Our internalized self hate and society's negative attitudes towards us manifests themselves in low self esteem and sometime self-destructive behaviors. So? People buy fancy cars because of low self esteem. They have kids because of low self esteem. Gambling. Overeating. What's the point of asking if some bareback sex can be traced to low self esteem? Maybe to recognize how much we internalize the hate into self hate? I think einathans original response "You sound judgmental SO NO" is very intolerant. Gays who scorn gays who bareback. Gays who scorn gays who choose hetero-normative lives. Gays who scorn gays for having HIV. Gays who ask questions we don't like and dare to ask?! UGH!!!!! Yes some gays feel low self esteem and self hate, and want to experience love love love. And bareback sex feels like love. Often bareback is love. Jeesh. (On an edited note I'd like to add that I wrote "might as well join *5atan" and when I published the piece it came up with 'Sarah Palin" instead. So HAHAH to whomever made that happen." But c'mon she'd give *5atan a bad name. )

Thanks for the topic atlfukbud. Your question 'Is he fully content 'as is'?" is in fact the $20,000 question. (And is that insanely hot pic you btw?) When we first met the boy he was less than a year out of a maybe-not-so-healthy long term relationship from which he was rather cruelly dumped. I think our double dose of dick and attention without the pressure to define ourselves, as happens in one on one relationships, was good for him at the time. There are many reasons for us not having a three way equal relationship with him. For us, I would say for my husband and me having a relationship 30 years now is damn hard work - negotiating, listening, talking, considering, compromising, merging with another person. Demanding with one other person. With two . . .idk. Doubt it could happen with us. Not having to do all that with the boy is a great facilitator to our relationship working. The boy doesn't have equal rights. But then he doesn't have equal responsibilities (nowhere near equal). It works. It's fair. I think tallslenderguy said it perfectly about there being no rules or norms. Our boy does want a primary relationship of his own very much. We 100% support his finding that. Always have. I think/hope the boy has come to realize though that the reduced benefits and reduced burden of being secondary, insofar as it works in his life and he's happy, is a fine thing. The happily-ever-after Adam and Steve fairy tale is just that. For some years the boy was dating and worrying about how and if and when to come out about us to any potential mate. At least one got scared off. I think I have him convinced though, in his dating world where there seem to be so many men who want to couple but seem to utterly lack the skills (seriously nothing wrong with being single!) that his seven years with us shouldn't be hidden, it should be at the top of his resume! So recently sure enough, the boy is out of town. He hooks up with a 26 year old. Being out of town and not fraught with the this-might-be-the-one pressure, he tells all to this hottie WHO IS TOTALLY INTO IT and says sure he can take a lot of dick. FUCK YES just imagine. Even if not sexual I think it at least reveals the idea that a primary relationship for the boy could/should/would be an addition to our family, not an end to it.

My husband and I, both in our early 50's, have been together 30 years this December, and we have been in a relationship with our 'boy' in his early 40s for going on 7 years now. It is not an equal relationship. It started as sex with the boy as sub, and grew into our spending more and more non sex time together. Now we are more like a family. We do not live together. But the boy spends days at a time with us and some holidays with us. From watching Drag Race to working on the farm, to playing elaborate board games, there are a lot of activities we share which bind us. It was all based on his coming into our relationship at a time when sexually we were bored and frustrated with each other. I found a switch flipped in me from mostly bottom to mostly top, and the boy can take my dick like my husband cant. The boy also provides outlet for kinks my husband has little interest in. Mostly though, theres just a synergy when we have that boy spitroasted on our dicks. Its hot filling him with dick from both ends, and we all get off from it. About a year in we all tested and fluid bonded. We love tag teaming the boy's ass bareback. Often one will fuck and breed him followed by the other. I mean who doesn't like to regularly fuck a pre spermed ass? Recently we did a dp for the first time (which I never like in porn) but wow tight having both our dicks in him. Didnt take me long to blow my load . . and feeling two dicks and a load bare . . Quite a treat. My husband isnt as horny as I am, so when the boy is here I fuck him one on one quite a bit. Things have evolved over seven years, but it still seems to work. I think the boy's presence has been very important in helping my husband and I keep sexual relations open between us when we might have otherwise have given up, as happens in so many ltrs. And I think over time our 'chosen family' unit has superceded sex as the glue. It is definitely a loving arrangement.

Gosh Skylon, You write that "getting a room is almost impossible", yet you got a room, ditched your bag, and went out for TWELVE HOURS, leaving another mysteriously closed, never open door in the bathhouse. Imagine if 5 people were doing that on that busy day. Or ten. Imagine half the rooms taken by dudes out sipping lattes at some museum cafe? I think most bathhouse users can relate to a bathhouse they have been to like that - closed doors and where the fuck is everyone? Dude! Other guys were waiting. Bathhouses aren't exactly on every corner,. Hotels are. So to save a few bucks you monopolized a room all day during high season? Then the bathhouse owners can not make the money they coulda shoulda woulda (I mean we do appreciate them, and they deserve to profit?) And how many men might have come, had an equally hot time, and gone in that room during the entire busy day? I've been going to sex parks, ABSs, bathhouses, theaters and sex venues since I was 15, so not quite 40 years. There's always those few guys - in some places they are the ones who smoke in 'no smoking' places, making everybody reek. In some places they are the ones who won't move on when they are getting very clear messages that their participation and/or audience is not desired. In all too many places there's the guys who camp out in (usually the best!) booth or room and sit on their asses all day (or worse go out and sightsee) when everyone else is cruising around, working it, and trying to have a good time. Please, don't be "THAT' guy. You share a hot story here, so you must 'get' it? Tenuous or not, imaginary or not . . . my experience is we are a brotherhood - us hot thinking hot acting homosexuals. Have a heart! Alas your "20 load weekend" would refer not to how many loads you swapped, but how many you prevented other guys' swapping.

NLBear and Bttm2go, I think you make an important distinction of two things I was mixing up. First, blowjobs - cum in the mouth or not? Second - blowjobs cum BY the mouth or not? I mixed these up, and my primary point is how few blowjobs, in porn or otherwise, end in the dick blowing its load because of oral stimulation. So many are what I'd call 'lick jobs'. Lick the dick, get it wet, the top masturbates. Maybe it is straight women who perpetuate the idea this counts as a blowjob!?! ("my nails!") I think portrayal of oral-to-masturbation has gotten so common in gay porn, that the vast majority of gay men have lost sight of what a real blow job is. Suck me until I cum. Use your mouth. Use your hand too. Stick your finger up my ass - whatever it takes ... it's called a blowJOB. Work at it. If I have to pull out and stroke myself off, it's not a blow job. Not a good one. I do blame the gay porn industry for rarely showing real blowjobs. I think it is because they are hard to give. And they can be hard to get. Understood - seeing the load is hot. Personally, I LOVE seeing internal cumshot blowjobs. It's hard to fake a pulsating dick or gagging on ejaculate, or a semi-tumescent, freshly cum dick sliding out of a cocksucker's mouth. One reason I wish the porn industry would show more cocksucker-making-the-cock-cum scenes is that it seems to me on xtube and the like those scenes are most common with the guys who have glory holes and cameras set up at them. You know, the guys who film dick after dick stepping up and getting sucked off? There's so much to be learnt about blowing a dude from these guys. And they do it VERY differently than is done in commercial porn or in pre fucking sucking.

Is it just me? Over and over I watch videos labeled "blowjob" only to get all this time invested into watching when the top pulls his dick out, and strokes out his load. UGH That's not a blow job! That's more like a facial. And the WORST is when the bottom does not even try to eat the cum! What's with this lack of truth in advertising? Does it bother anyone else? Last Friday I went to one of my few local ABS. It rocks because there always seem to be guys wanting head. Some cities, some ABSs are all guys wanting to blow. Anyway, first guy I meet . . short dude with a cockring. His dick is hard just from feeling him up. He pops it out and I bend over to take a taste. He responds with a sigh. Yes! He wants this. So I get on my knees, poised for a proper suck. I lick up from his balls up his shaft. I take his cock head in my mouth SUPER gentle at first. His cock head swells big and fast. I'm just sucking on it, gently, slippery, pre-cummy, because I can't fit it in the back of my throat and get my lips around his shaft too. It seems like only a minute and he's choking me with his dick. Trying to force it in. Trying to fuck my mouth hole. And it starts juicing so I know . . . SPURT ONE in my mouth he starts cumming. He pulls out, finishes cumming on the floor (like I don't want the cum?) Nonetheless, he came in my mouth from my sucking. aka a blowjob. Braindead with desire and the taste of cum, I keep hunting. In a few minutes I'm down on my knees again in front of a glory hole with a limp but willing dick sticking through the hole at me. Yeah boy! Fine, I'll get you hard. And so I did. And started out slow and gentle and kept working it. Responding to the subtle cues of what was making this cock in my mouth get harder (or not). Work work work. God that smell of man musk that a dick gives off when it's hard and excreting its own lube! I don't play with myself when giving a blowjob. There is too much to do focusing on the dick in my mouth. And after some time working it I really have it going. He's hard. Pre cum is flowing. He's fuck motioning. Older dude, in his fifties like me I guess. You just got to keep at it. Don't stop. Like a good top he takes control of what he needs to cum. "Can I come over there?" he asks. So he comes next door. I'm down on my knees right away picking up where we left off. Using my mouth gentle like a hole. Using my hand. Tickling his balls with my other hand. And so he's groaning and saying "Don't stop." (Uh huh!) So I know he's on the way. His dick is curved up hard and leaking like I know it is cumming soon and sure enough YEAH BOY that cum filling my mouth making it viscous. Sperm creeping up the back of my nose swimming in my head spurt after spurt. He's slowing down me backing off savoring his dick throbbing a few more pumps of semen into me. Now THAT is a blowjob. I like getting them too. When I get up off my knees, I see he's watching dick-fucking-pussy straight porn. He says "wow" or something like that. He liked the blowjob. <blush> So how is it that nine out of ten film clips I see . . on tube . . on pornhub . . on tumblr . . which tag themselves 'blowjob' end up with a stroke scene? SO FRUSTRATING! We need better terms for these things. 'Cumeating" is the closest I have seen to getting to the point. But 'Cumeating" can be licking the cum off a bottom who you've just fucked the cum out of (I repeat, "yeah boy!"). And 'facial' really does imply a face full of cum. And in these - so many of these- pseudo blowjob scenes, the cum winds up on the bottom's chest or the floor or even in the hand of the top who just had to stroke out his own (damn) load! So am I missing something? It's like they are "blowjobettes". Or if trying to reaffirm that a blow job is sucking TO COMPLETION is a lost cause, what might be a word for that? IDK it seems like the blow in blow job is blowing ones load. Most of these are by my definition stroke scenes. Suckjob? Mouthie (being a suck not to completion)? How about 'fluffandnutter'? It sounds like what it is - suck - nut- eat. lol Just curious if anyone has the same question I do, or suggestions for semantically differentiating between sucking and sucking to completion. Big difference in my book.

First time I got fucked was me and my cousin flip flopping. We were 12 or 13 years old. It was before we could ejaculate, thus no loads in the ass. I remember doing it, just like masturbating until my dick felt so good, I had to stop. Then one day I masturbated and something pumped out. Damn I was surprised. And it felt sooooo good. The next time I got fucked . . more as an adult, so to speak . . I went to my first gay bar and at 17 got inebriated. I went home with a 40 something year old guy. I remember how much it hurt taking his dick. He came. Came in me.

WAY too many multiple chapter stories start off hot then fizzle out. it's like a tease. almost all of them. I like my porn like I like my encounters . . . uncomplicated, a little on the quick side, and DEFINITELY with full release at the end!

Ive been coupled going on 28 years. Back in olden times when we were first together, I think most gay couples, us included, emulated straight couples aka 'monogamy'. I didnt realize 'the seven year itch' is a real thing, and I started wanting to fuck around in year six. I learned most gay couples we knew (and in DC that was a lot) lived by a sort of 'dont ask dont tell'. That is almost no one was monogomous, just no one admitted it. Monogamous gay couples are RARE. Like people who say they dont watch tv, a large number of gay men who say they dont cheat are lying. Nowadays, it seems like everybody is 'open' anyways. I wonder if you can't talk plainly to your boyfriend about your sexual needs, or even about your need to have a sex life outside of yours and his, is he really a good boyfriend for you? The thrill of cheating on the other hand, well that is a fetish or an addiction unto itself. Maybe you hang onto an inappropriate boyfriend for you because the thrill of having someone to cheat on makes sex that much more dangerous and fun?

It drives me NUTS when gay sex spokesperson Dan Savage goes on his pro-condom tirades with the argument that "you can't feel condoms because if you did, then people would not have them break and then keep fucking without realizing it, which happens to people all the time." I don't think it happens all the time. I think in a big portion of condom-breaks-while-fucking, the top knows it's broken and it feels so much better he has no desire to stop.

When I see images of women in a gay porn setting, I am TURNED OFF. Nothing bothers me at all about nude females, except in the context of my wanting to get hot and horny. It is the anti-horny. BONER KILLER Personally, I think the question posed by thehammerman is more than a little 'phobic in labeling the desire not to see naked women in a porn context so judgmentally - "offended, disgusted, threatened". No, just not into it. At All.