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I don't really know why some political ads make a lasting impression. That one though, was so preposterous that all some of us needed was the mere mention, and the laughter (specific to that ad) came right out of hibernation.

Essentially, it's a question of whether or not the Top believes that a bottom is an equal partner in the scene. It takes at least 2 willing men to Breed, which means that if 50% of the pair - for whatever reason - wants the fuck to end, that's it. Anything less than that mutual respect implies a messed up mindset. Sure, there are bottoms who say they're not worth valuing, but I don't buy that. What I've found through the years, is that lifting them up, rather than diminishing them, makes any fuck far more thrilling. I'm not addressing a negotiated, S/m B/d scene, which I've commented on any number of times. Negotiated role-play can be earth-shattering for both the T and b. I'm merely commenting on the basic level of respect we all owe to every other guy. If we can't respect each other enough to allow each other to be a partner in the fuck, might just as well stay home and toss one off. So, to answer the OP, of course I'd stop, make sure the bottom is ok, and move on to the next one.

Well said. I don't ask, since if possible, I indulge in the infamous "taste-test" anyway. But even if the bottom hasn't taken any loads yet, it wouldn't put me off. Lots of Tops like to rut in any number of Holes, and then find their favorite again and Breed in that one. Put another way, raw Hole taking raw Cock is - in and of itself - a very special thing. Loads off previous Cocks just makes it even more thrilling than it already is.

As Chevalier once sang (well, kinda 'sang' ) : "Ah, yes - I remember it well ..." The camera was far enough away to allow us to imagine a grinning Chimpanzee riding in a toy tank, finger-fucking himself ...

Mine actually poked right through ..... 😀 Yeah, and despite the "high cost of everything" these days, I hope they can all still afford to eat. (tongue retracted, back inside). Around BZ, it's the community that gets nothing, and the moderators get everything - not. Seriously, it's easy to break a rule when we first join BZ. I know I did, and when it happened I took the time to figure out why. Asked one of the moderators for guidance re: what I did wrong, he replied, and it's been fine ever since. Again, seriously: This site is fantastic. Far more productive than not, and a rich opportunity to exchange thoughts. perceptions. viewpoints on all kinds of issues. Sure, there are some subjects I don't bother to read since they don't interest me. I rather doubt I'm missed in those threads either. Every guy gets to take part in an amazing exchange, whenever he decides to log on. Observing the rules seems a truly tiny "price" to pay.

That possibility always, always, always exists, at least for me. Just because I happen to like whatever, doesn't mean every other guy does.

LOL .... I wonder if they even understand the meaning of being embarrassed! Yes, we have crooked pols in the D party too - and they'll get what they've earned. Egyptian bling only buys so much these days ....

Lots of commentary on this thread; I don't recall ever caring to "keep track". At one time, shortly after moving to Chicago, I actually (shame on me - stupid kid)actively tried not to fuck the same guy twice, unless it was a fantastic fuck. The way I saw it, once I'd fucked a guy I already knew what that Hole felt like, and there were so many others I hadn't fucked yet (and thus didn't know what those Holes felt like) there were a couple of years when I only fucked fresh Hole. If life is like a highway, in my youth I was stuck in the dumb, self-centered, ignorant lane. Hopefully I've learned a few life-lessons since then, and grown into a better man.

Clearly and obviously 100% correct. I agree completely that whatever the potential drawbacks of term limits, it's well worth a try. As to the idea of sending 'those who do not want to go", I'm all in to try that asap.

Actually, not at all. I have commented on the depopulation of the Native Americans a number of times on this site. The wholesale murder of the indigenous population of the North American Continent was clearly - obviously - horrifically - the "original sin" of the invaders. That hellish issue however, was not a part of the Original Post; far from it. Actually, that is neither germane to the OP, and not the case personally. I was an infant; less than one year old when my parents emigrated to the US, and thus had no choice in the decision. Again, because that horrific issue is not the subject of the Original Post. I know that threads often "drift" into other subject areas, which is ok with me regarding other guy's posts. I try to keep to the discourse to the original topic when I create the topic, and if/when that gets thoroughly chewed over, create a new post to discuss whatever the next issue happens to be. I'm not quite sure how we "search" other guys contributions, but there must be some way, in the event you're interested in my perspective regarding the Native American issue. Thanks for your responses.

Well, if not "new", the certainly more aware. Not only of your intense pleasure in feeling a hard, raw Cock pumping loads up your Hole, but also pleasing your partner. Welcome to Freedom, GyroLover - and the rest of your rich, fulfilling, satisfying, load-taking Life !!!

To the OP, I'd guess that almost every raw Top would prefer to fuck a well-bred Hole full of loads off Cocks previous to his. I know I would. The fact is though, that at least some guys have to have fucked the bottom in order to fulfil that pleasure. I think it's a bit on the narrow side to simply dismiss a Hole because it hasn't been fucked full of Sperm from several Cocks quite yet. Maybe the bottom only got to the fuckjoint a few minutes before the OP did. Maybe this, maybe that, maybe whatever - it's not reason enough for me, at least, to refuse to fuck the guy. As Iker80 mentions above, there is simply no better lube than loads off previous Cocks, and most Tops will agree. That said, some guy has to be the first of the night ....

It's not that the rest of the world doesn't "get it". Rather, it's off topic from the original post. It's true that often as posts progress they tend to drift a bit after several weeks of guys adding their input. You're completely correct in your point, and that difference in acceptance of gays between the two areas (Israel and the rest of the Islamic countries) would make a great topic. Every guy gets to have his say on all kinds of subjects (mostly revolving around raw sex - but not exclusively); by all means, go ahead and try it 😉 !!!

First, congrats on taking the steps you already have. You've tried a number of venues, situations, but you missed describing what it is you really want - what you really need. You've witnessed guys doing what you apparently want / need to do yourself, yet you hung back from joining in the fun. You're on PrEP, so you're as protected from serious illness as you can be. I'm not sure what it is you're afraid of. Why not go to those places, and just join in the fun? There must be something you haven't mentioned that's holding you back?

Some years ago I actually ran across a kid from Tehran who had escaped from exactly that fate; two of his friends (gay) actually were thrown off a building's roof. He ran, got away in time, and arrived in the US a painfully skinny, scared kid. There's an Iranian restaurant way out west by Weston, and we took him there for dinner. The kid ate like he'd found heaven, with tears in his eyes ... which elicited the same in the rest of us. A number of us helped get him settled, helped him "acclimate", learn English, found him a job. Saw him this past T-day; lo and behold, today he owns his own business, is doing well, achieved citizenship, and you'd never know what he'd been through. Our human instincts are to do good, not bad, if we only make the effort to listen to them.

I agree, and across the board. Unfortunately there are plenty of Congresspersons on both sides that have surrendered to personal enrichment by the lobbyists representing industries, businesses of all kinds and description. Not every one of them, of course, but enough to make a difference. Last I heard, the old canard is still in force: "you can't take it with you". I don't know how we get 'Jimmy Stewart' back in office .... or his cultural descendants.

Oddly, it wasn't at my usual favorite fuckjoint. Went over to Slammer on Saturday night, it was jammed, and I had a grrrrrrrrrrreat time of it. After that, went over to Ramrod, and things are looking up, sex-wise. Some action taking place around the pool table (not like before, but at least some), and some going in Pig Alley. It's been cold (at least for Ft. L.), here lately, and Pig Alley is not part of the building. It's open to the stars in some areas, covered in some areas, and I was actually shivering after 1 beer. NY's Eve, went over to Slammer a little bit earlier than usual, hoping to get a parking place before the lots filled up. Turned in, the W lot wasn't even open - the other lots were half full. I was really surprised - there wasn't even a line of guys waiting to get in. Went in anyway, the darkroom had only two guys bent over on the fuckbench, so I wandered around, rutted in a few Holes, so I hit the bricks and went back to RR. This time I had a warm biker jacket in the car, so I wasn't cold, and rang in the New Year properly in a hot-assed Hispanic guy. He was sucking off Cocks, had obviously been taking loads prior, so I'll consider my New Years Duty accomplished.

I would posit that the "Israel" issue, and it's potential to drag the US into a general war in the area may not be uppermost in the mind of most voters, since domestic concerns would naturally be uppermost in their minds. I doubt that many voters would consider it the most crucial issue to base their vote upon though. Women's healthcare rights, issues of advancing domestic justice, how to deal with the human misery in the Southern Hemisphere, thus causing mass migration, as well as perceptions of their own financial well-being would be paramount. I'm guessing that those concerns are - as always - uppermost in most voters minds, and who knows whether a general war obliquely supported by the US will actually happen. Of note, the two carrier groups have been withdrawn from the Middle East area, which could be interpreted in any number of ways. Generally, "one-issue" voters reflect a less interested - even to the point of not bothering to exercise their right to vote - segment of the population. Of course. No one ever gets every single thing they want, nor should they. So far, we're still a Democracy, which means ideally every voter gets some measure of which direction they want the country to go, and assumes a "good-faith" effort to negotiate with other citizens (via their political institutions) of different viewpoints is the best way to steer the Ship of State. Unfortunately, that's absolutely true. While Senators and Representatives are well paid (as I see it), the "special-interest" lobbies throwing a lot of money at every one of them in exchange for votes on whatever legislation affects almost every one of them. Of course, that doesn't apply to the current House, since they've accomplished nothing of consequence lately.

I would question that generalization, since many folks in the North objected on moral grounds. To be fair, they didn't have any "skin in the game" either, so it wasn't all that tough to abhor that institution. I grew up in a large metro area in Northern IL, and in the older parts of town there were a number of tunnels, facilities, remnants of the "Underground Railroad" As schoolkids we were able to tour some of them. You do raise a good point though: it's easy to look down on a practice that you have no benefit from. You're correct, of course. I think that many in the North sensed that a policy of "let those slaveholders be, they'll have to answer to God - not to me" was common. There were zealous anti-slavery groups too, but they weren't numerous/strong enough to drive national policy. It's not that Northerners "didn't mind" - it's more that the disruption of ending slavery would mean war, and there weren't enough folks with that kind of backbone until Ft. Sumpter happened. I agree that Ms Haley has/had only the slimmest of chances, and her inability to admit to what happened and why will cost her ambitions dearly. We're all watching. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Interesting thread ... All I can say is, thank Whatever there are folks like you guys ... just the subject matter gives me shivers, threatening light-headed-ness. It's lunchtime here, and I was hungry ... but I think I'll give it a little while before I try to eat anything ...... 🤢

I always have, and always will,, prefer looser to tighter. If it's too tight, I just advise the bottom to go take more Cocks, and then come find me.

Thanks for that information. It wouldn't surprise me if Israel had a nuclear arsenal, but it's not something I've researched; I guess there are only so many hours in a day I can sit in front of a computer. If a wide-ranging, serious situation develops over there, and the Trumpanzee actually had been re-elected at the time, I can only begin to imagine the chaos ...

First, thanks to each of you for your thoughts; it's much appreciated. The prospect of general war (meaning wide-ranging, involving a number of nations) is hardly political theatre. It is a "clear and present danger", as the saying goes. Perhaps you noticed that I took care to focus on the current Government of Israel? That was intentional, to avoid addressing the cultural/religious situation, and focus on current U.S. policy, it's motives, and increasingly likely results. I did not address the ancient hatreds or their causes, thus avoiding that which has been chewed over for ages. That's a different discussion. As I respect yours. Thank you for your thoughts regarding the posted topic. That grave error has created the fundamental, apparently intractable and ongoing crises. It happened so long ago, I'm not really sure it can be properly corrected, since people on both sides have been living with the result for so long. Yet, it seems the "Two State Solution" is the best possible (or least odious) basis to make the attempt. My apologies, but I disagree. The original and ongoing repressions of the Palestinians originated elsewhere. The reactions of the Palestinians to those repressions may well have not occurred, had the other "partner" in negotiations done so in good faith, which has not happened to this day. That statement does nothing to address the original subject. Never the less, thanks for your input: it is much appreciated. This reflects the "fatal flaw" in placing the entirety of any group's justification on some truly ancient belief system. Presently, we - as a collective group of citizens - place our value on Intellect, Science, and Facts. Religious belief-systems are great for those who need them, but in the "real" world, we honor facts first, and legends second. Mr. Netanyahu actually quoted a truly ancient text (I'm guessing the book of Joshua, but I haven't researched it) wherein the deity actually instructed the Hebrew military commander to attack some village/whatever, and "kill every one of them". Were it not so tragic, it would be laughable. Thanks so much, tallslenderguy, for posting that magnificent speech by such an esteemed Citizen of the World. I hope every guy that views the page takes the time to listen carefully. 👍 Of course it is; thus the original post. However, if a general war breaks out and the US continues the same level of across-the-board military support (before the US election in November), the US will be drawn in, and he will surely lose his re-election bid. Today, we're immersed in our own national issues. We don't know what tomorrow will bring, but at least we can consider the future, take part in the political discourse (I rather doubt that Mr. Biden will be reading my thoughts here on BZ, but this isn't the only site I use either). Perhaps Lady Graham might run across this thread though ..... That quote appears in texts/verses predicting "the end of days", wherein the "deity", wreaks such judgement upon the world that humanity ceases to exist. In ages past, that sounded like something that only a deity could manage, but in the present day, it's something we can manage perfectly well on our own; we can do it all on our own - with or without any deity's assistance. To your second point, I can't help but wonder if Israel could pull off much of an "end-of-days", let alone the current war, without arms, munitions, bombs, everything else provided by their closest ally. I haven't researched the independent arms industry of Israel (outside of the US supply, I mean), and I'll be surprised if it would be enough to carry on the current war, let alone defend against the Iranians, should a general war break out. Well, I don't know if you listen to much major media, but it's already happening via television/radio/online ads placed by differing interest-groups promoting their specific agendas. As the Presidential election draws closer, all political ads become more focused, more blunt in their messages, and often more coarse in their messages. My use of "A letter to the President" was merely a literary contrivance to elicit readership, and hopefully responses like the above, for which I am most grateful. As others have made clear above, the issue has been with us for decades. Thanks for your response as well. and now I need to eat .... but I truly love these debates, posting thoughts on issues, reading/absorbing what others viewpoints are. It's fun to go on about the sex stuff, but this kind of ability to exchange viewpoints about the serious issues with serious-minded peers is fantastic. Thanks so much to each of you that contributed so far, and I hope others will as well. ❤️

Spit is ok, particularly if the bottom is just starting out for the night. Loads off previous Cocks is far more preferable though ...

Mr. President, It is becoming more and more dangerous for the entire world in the Middle East. The war is spreading, expanding in all areas, and there's some measure of blame falling on many shoulders. We know that you and the Prime Minister of Israel have been friends for many years. That fact does not obviate the clear intentions of said Prime Minister, which fall into conflict with virtually every Country on Earth, save the Iranian government. The largest shipping company in the world, Maersk Lines of Denmark, has decided that the Suez Canal has become too dangerous for their ships, which carry products to and from nations over the entire globe. Presently, instead of using that canal, their ships are forced to sail around the horn of Africa to bring goods from the far East to markets in the Western world. That is increasing the cost of goods exponentially, because Iranian proxies are firing rockets at them. You will be blamed, regardless of fault. Iranian proxies are firing land-based munitions on American positions elsewhere in the area, provoking an American military response. The current state of affairs in unsustainable, and on track to a general war in the Middle East. The aforementioned Prime Minister is a small-minded, insistent, corrupt and intractable "ally" that has only his own myopic agenda in mind: you can send Blinken, Generals, every other American official available to attempt to stay his heavy hand in Palestine, and nothing seems to come of it. You can insist that he cease his wholesale destruction of an entire population, total destruction of infrastructure, the complete and utter upheaval of an entire population, and he will not respect you. You can demand that he heed the entire world's call for the looooong awaited Two State Solution, you can hem and haw until the cows come home, and he will not be moved. What more indifference to his principal ally's "advice" can he demonstrate that might become clear to you? It is American bombs that have decimated an entire region. The bombs that have wrought virtual total destruction on Palestine are American bombs. It is the steadfast support of American aid, mostly military, that he depends on. You have already ordered an American military response to Iranian-backed attacks on American military presence in Iran. While most of the Citizens of the World believe that Israel should exist, even more Citizens of the World believe that the decimation of an entire people is an outrageous violation of even the smallest measure of decency. In the event that you allow American support to further enable this unspeakable behavior on the part of the calcified, myopic Israeli Government, the deterioration of the situation with Israel permanently occupying Palestine (as said Prime Minister has declared) instead of offering some small measure of cooperation with the will of the rest of the world's Governments, the chances of general war breaking out are multiplying daily. That tragedy, if it comes, will fall in large part upon your shoulders, and you will surely lose your position as standard-bearer of the Free World. All decent-minded citizens of the World believe that Israel should exist, peacefully. While the Hamas terrorists definitely started this conflict, and while Israel definitely has the right and duty to defend itself, that "right" simply does not extend to wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians, or the wholesale destruction of infrastructure. Mr. President. I believe you are a man of character, generosity and good will. I believe that you are a good and decent man. Be warned, however, that if America gets sucked into a general war in the Middle East, it is you that will be blamed. You simply must be at least as intractable as the aforementioned P.M. in your insistence that restraint be demonstrated by your "ally". Your re-election depends on it.