Yet Another Hiv Transmission Arrest

[wood]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-charged-with-failing-to-reveal-he-had-hiv-to-partner-20141025-story.html

 

I found this case to be interesting because it seems like it is only one persona against another one, whereas these cases usually involve several plaintiffs.  

 

Aditionally it happened in a major city that is fairly progressive on social issues, Not kansas, the south, etc.

 

Sorry but again this is why i think stealthing in almost any real world circumstance is absolutely crazy.  Even voluntary transmission with willing participants seem like a very slippery slope, especially if there isn't written proof.  

 

Its also a GREAT reason why anyone HIV+ should be on treatment.  Guys who are undetectable are very safe, and unlikely to transmit anything.  So that alone is a very plausible defense given current research TASP.  

 

Here's another story with different circumstances but also involving the prosecution of individuals.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-hiv-criminal-cases-met-20140905-story.html#page=1

[Guest pozarnoldPGH]

what is the point of PrEP then ????????    sound more like  "bitter bottom's remorse". 

Let us just combine the plot of "Hunger Games" with the Russian BULLSHIT HIV+ camp/PRISON.......   Won't you whining little bitches be  so pleased with your selves........???

[wood]

  On 10/29/2014 at 7:12 PM, pozarnoldPGH said:

what is the point of PrEP then ????????    sound more like  "bitter bottom's remorse". 

Let us just combine the plot of "Hunger Games" with the Russian BULLSHIT HIV+ camp/PRISON.......   Won't you whining little bitches be  so pleased with your selves........???

 

 

Umm what are you talking about??  This has NOTHING to do with PrEP.  Its a case of HIV+ people directly lying, and in one case resulting in transmission.  Additionally if you notice the article make no mention of sexual position.  

 

You can call it "whining little bitches" all you want, but HIV transmission is a crime in many places, that's the law.  

 

Additionally if you are a "poz, not on meds vers guy" as your profile states, and you don't disclose or lie about your status to a partner, you are committing a crime in Pennsylvania and can be prosecuted as such.   If you don't like the law that's fine, but it surely doesn't change it.  

[pisces bearcub]

This is part of the reason some people don't get tested.

[barehole4use]

& the rest don't live in the usa

[seaguy]

He has a right to be bitter due to the fact that he asked several times if the guy had HIV and was lied to each of those several times.  I am guessing he ended up testing poz later or somehow found out the guy was poz and that he'd been lied to over and over.  I wonder if the thrill the poz guy got from lying and stealthing the neg guy was worth having his mug shot publicly displayed for all to see and being charged with a crime that could land him in prison for up to 7 years;

 

 In Illinois, HIV exposure is a Class 2 felony, subject to three to seven years in prison as well as a fine of up to $25,000.

  On 10/29/2014 at 11:46 PM, pisces bearcub said:

This is part of the reason some people don't get tested.

That makes no sense at all.

[pigbttm4pigtop]

its because they didnt have any papers signed stating the person wanting it... because if papers are signed its dismissed immediately.

[barehole4use]

God i'm glad i don't live in America, the more you see & hear the more fucked up it comes across, If guys want to stay neg, use a condom. it's not rocket science.

[seaguy]

Belgium is no barebackers utopia either.

[wood]

  On 10/31/2014 at 7:36 AM, barehole4use said:

God i'm glad i don't live in America, the more you see & hear the more fucked up it comes across, If guys want to stay neg, use a condom. it's not rocket science.

I'm glad I dont like in Europe! I can get PrEP and stay neg, and not worry about stealthers who want to purposely try and infect me! 

 

With the said I LOVE most of Europe, but the comment you made was pretty stupid, 

[barehole4use]

I never mentioned belgium being a utopia but if you want to stay neg god knows why you're on this site forum & secondly if you don't want to get any bugs including HIV then use a condom but don't play bare & play the blame game, if you're willing to take the risk then deal with the consequences of playing bare/

[GermanFucker]

  On 11/1/2014 at 8:13 AM, barehole4use said:

if you want to stay neg god knows why you're on this site forum

 

With all due respect, but what you say makes no sense. If you look at the real world numbers:

 

Guys who prefer the feeling of raw sex: at least 95%

Guys who'd prefer to stay neg: also at least 95%

And of the common 90% at least half engage in unprotected sex given the right circumstances or contemplate doing so.

 

 

  On 10/31/2014 at 7:36 AM, barehole4use said:

If guys want to stay neg, use a condom. it's not rocket science.

 

That's exactly like saying "abstinence works". In that it's technically true, but meaningless when talking about real-life circumstances. Just like socialism might work if people were different. Problem is: They aren't.

 

Sex isn't black and white. It's impulsive, it's messy, it's sometimes weird. But IMHO that's also what makes it wonderful. Since I came to accept that sex isn't always straightforward and adopted more of a go-with-the-flow attitude, my sex life has become a never-ending buffet of amazing adventures.

 

When I talk with sluts I sometimes hear: "Why do I never meet some Arab thugs (black bodybuilders etc.), like in those (e.g. Eric Videos) porn movies?". My impression is: because some sluts are set in their ways. Because I do meet those types all the time.

 

If you try to put people into categories, e.g. (to use the terms of another forum member) "neggies here, pozzies there", you limit yourself to these categories as well. You shouldn't expect others to think along the same lines as yourself. At least you have A LOT more fun if you're open to a wider spectrum of human sexuality.

 

But that also means that simple answers don't work. IMHO the answer isn't "if you're neg, you have to protect yourself" or "if you're poz, it's your obligation to use a condom", but rather: "don't be a shmuck!".

 

The problem with newspaper articles is that you never know what EXACTLY happenend. So most people just make up the rest of the story and instinctively jump to conclusions, often either condemning or defending the accused.

 

If the bottom attended a bareback orgy advertised as being poz-friendly... yeah, that's his own fault. If he was expertly deceived and lied to, then the other guy's to blame. If someone lied about being a plastic surgeon, he would get sued over a botched facelift as well - and rightfully so, even though some might argue that surgery in general is risky and vain. Generalizations never work.

 

That's why these newspaper stories (and the responses to them) propably you more about BZ forum users than about what actually happened. And that's why I hate taking a position without knowing what ACTUALLY happened.

[barehole4use]

Where do you get your statistics from in germany or just made up by you ? I know as a fact that normally Germans don't have any opinion, It's like sheep. if one goes they all go. Whats new. But everyone all over the world already knows this. With all due respect bla bla bla I'm not going to waste my time anymore replying to this thread.

[Guest pozarnoldPGH]

This is all very laughable.  Whereby a user named "wood" places him/her self on an imagined moral high.  The reality, hiv is nothing more, nor less, than any other medical diagnosis.  Add to that, the shame of panic driving media plays into the "social crisis".  The GOOD THING,  and ONLY good thing;  PEOPLE are talking to each other and opening the depth of intimacy.  FOR SOME.   The organized nations of the world and BIG PHARMA PROFIT  will exist so long as there remain to be persons of perceived ill health.   I AM BLESSED & GRATEFUL TO BE POZ.  Ten years ago, I would rather have been dead,  TODAY, I am happier & healthier  BECAUSE  I WAS  HONEST WITH MYSELF.......... It is my deep hope that others would follow suit.  Live your choices, and be comforted that the world has GOOD PEOPLE, like me, whom prefer the comfort of honesty and attract sex partners of like mind.   It also warrants to mention, "stealthing" is not likely to be proven, particularly in the American courts.  The burden of proof lies largely upon the prosecution AND  good luck "matching a strain".   One has to know, or be close to those IN THE SCIENCE.   Forget about Faux-Christian fear based politics trying to keep a job.  It is in the better interest of MOST people to just get naked and have fun.  IF YOU GET it, be grateful to be in a nation with care.   IF YOU DIE,  did you have fun in this realm??  Where you honest and loving unto yourself.  To stealth or be stealthed, remains nothing more or less than basic animal fear.

[wood]

  On 11/4/2014 at 3:16 PM, pozarnoldPGH said:

This is all very laughable.  Whereby a user named "wood" places him/her self on an imagined moral high.  The reality, hiv is nothing more, nor less, than any other medical diagnosis.  Add to that, the shame of panic driving media plays into the "social crisis".  The GOOD THING,  and ONLY good thing;  PEOPLE are talking to each other and opening the depth of intimacy.  FOR SOME.   The organized nations of the world and BIG PHARMA PROFIT  will exist so long as there remain to be persons of perceived ill health.   I AM BLESSED & GRATEFUL TO BE POZ.  Ten years ago, I would rather have been dead,  TODAY, I am happier & healthier  BECAUSE  I WAS  HONEST WITH MYSELF.......... It is my deep hope that others would follow suit.  Live your choices, and be comforted that the world has GOOD PEOPLE, like me, whom prefer the comfort of honesty and attract sex partners of like mind.   It also warrants to mention, "stealthing" is not likely to be proven, particularly in the American courts.  The burden of proof lies largely upon the prosecution AND  good luck "matching a strain".   One has to know, or be close to those IN THE SCIENCE.   Forget about Faux-Christian fear based politics trying to keep a job.  It is in the better interest of MOST people to just get naked and have fun.  IF YOU GET it, be grateful to be in a nation with care.   IF YOU DIE,  did you have fun in this realm??  Where you honest and loving unto yourself.  To stealth or be stealthed, remains nothing more or less than basic animal fear.

LOL, my views are hardly a moral high ground, if you think they are you better get a better grasp on the english language.  Also your response is so incoherent that its hard to even decipher what you are talking about.  

 

While you may be "blessed and grateful" to be poz, the vast majority of people are not, which is why stealthing and purposely trying to lie/decisive/infect others is considers so heinous.  Additionally you can think you are "healthier" all you want but poz not on meds people are rarely healthy, and the virus is doing damage to you.  If you choose to ignore that its your prerogative.  You have a "ignorance is bliss" mentality and sorry its not for me.  

 

Back to the case, you don't need to match a strain in many cases the law is based on exposure, not infection.