Hypnosis/Brainwashing a Sub Bottom

[ErosWired]

@tallslenderguy and @BritBottom - Remember, hypnosis is the art of persuading you to do something that, at least on the subconscious level, you would have considered doing anyway. I have never been hypnotized to a point that I was not aware of the ‘tist (as they’re called), nor have I ever felt that I was not fully present in the events being constructed around me through suggestion. Quite to the contrary - the fact that another man could bring me to a violent hands-free orgasm with nothing but words (I still vividly remember being shocked by it) is proof that you can be very, very much in the moment. The difference is that a skilled ‘tist can lead you into shaping reality into something of your own making, just as real as the waking world.

A master ‘tist may have the ability to persuade a subject that the apple he is looking at is actually blue, or that even though his eyes are wide open, he can see nothing at all. It is that level of suggestive control that becomes perilous. But again, you are always aware of the presence of the ‘tist in the equation, and as long as you never allow yourself to truly believe everything he tells you (and he will try to get you to do so) you should be able to pull yourself out if things go pear-shaped.

9 hours ago, tallslenderguy said:

my sense of you over time is that you are a real and honest person.  i trust you and what you write,

It means a great deal to read this from you, because I constantly fear that my accounts of my sexual experiences read so much like something either made up or wildly exaggerated that no one will ever believe me, and think I’m just another fantasizing bottom fapping to bad porn in front of his laptop. I’m so conscious of this that I try to use the least expressive words I can to convey the events while still telling exactly what happened. All I can say is that my words are my confession, my outing of myself as a faggot, and the absolute truth as I know it to be. That you would take the trouble to let me know that you take me at my word means very much.

[Guest BritBottom]

@ErosWired & tallslenderguy: Gentlemen, I’ve not long been a formal member on this site. I had dipped in to view often in the past. Having a little time on my hands, recuperating from minor surgery, I decided to formally join and get involved because I was impressed by:

1. The availability of useful information sourced from people having a basic common ground and real life experience who openly and freely share that experience and knowledge as an alternative to the politically correct, often judgemental propaganda or theoretical pap  elswhere.
2. Even with a broad range of perspective and practice I detect none of the bitchiness, exclusivity or prevalence of cliques I have found elsewhere.

I have found myself welcome and communicated directly with like-minded men who I have come to regard highly.

I have learned a great deal and felt confident enough to openly express my views and facts about myself I would never do elsewhere.

I fear I am rather awe of both of you as your intellect, level of self-awareness ,and sexual sophistication seems far beyond my own. My experience and perspective may appear naive and rather tame in comparison.

I can only speak for myself but, the consistency of the content, the depth of analysis and the way in which in which it is expressed leaves me in no doubt of the veracity of what each of you have to say. I find that both of you express content that interests me, makes me think, explore concepts and better focus, and sometimes challenge, my own perspectives. I look forward to your posts for those reasons.

 

In relation to the subject of hypnosis and referring back to both posts by ErosWired, my response was not one of disbelief in any way. I intended to express that sexually I relish the raw physicality of the experience above all. I surrender my body and hope that physical experience engenders a connection at a deeper level. I avoid prophylactics and chemical enhancements for the same reason.

Having had a breakdown/burnout a few years ago where I experienced a lack of mental & physical integration, the concept of another getting inside my head and altering my perception of reality – frankly, that terrifies me, even worse that it could be done remotely. The sentence “ But if you have a submissive psyche, such a person may have great latitude to drag you into some very deep, dark places of his own design, and where no help is coming. “ only highlights my fear.

[lovetobefucked]

A few guys have attempted to use me this way.  The first guy had a whole gangbang set up and all of them used me. He was the last. I grabbed his balls and pulled them so hard that he was screaming -- especially since he thought i was totally under his hypnotic spell. i told him if he wanted to use me he only had to say so but if he EVER tried this again i would make him a eunoch in the most painful way possible.  The other 2 guys had hypnotized quite a guys.  I beat the shit out of them for even trying.  You can only be hypnotized as you allow others to do it to you.  All the other explanations are of weak minds or are total and utter bullshit. 

[lovetobefucked]

15 minutes ago, lovetobefucked said:

A few guys have attempted to use me this way.  The first guy had a whole gangbang set up and all of them used me. He was the last. I grabbed his balls and pulled them so hard that he was screaming -- especially since he thought i was totally under his hypnotic spell. i told him if he wanted to use me he only had to say so but if he EVER tried this again i would make him a eunoch in the most painful way possible.  The other 2 guys had hypnotized quite a guys.  I beat the shit out of them for even trying.  You can only be hypnotized as you allow others to do it to you.  All the other explanations are of weak minds or are total and utter bullshit. 

You CANNOT be hypnotized into something you adamantly do not want to do or are opposed against ....

[ErosWired]

1 hour ago, BritBottom said:

Having had a breakdown/burnout a few years ago where I experienced a lack of mental & physical integration, the concept of another getting inside my head and altering my perception of reality – frankly, that terrifies me, even worse that it could be done remotely. The sentence “ But if you have a submissive psyche, such a person may have great latitude to drag you into some very deep, dark places of his own design, and where no help is coming. “ only highlights my fear.

It’s best to know the limits of your own mind and body. You may be a genius in your field of work, yet have little defense in a contest of will with a mental practitioner. If your guy (and you better judgment) is telling you that as interesting as this may be it doesn’t sound like a good thing for you to do, listen to your gut. There are plenty of other ways to get sexually creative.

And for goodness’ sake, forget about having any ‘awe’ about my ‘sexual sophistication’ - I’m just a submissive guy who crossed paths with a really twisted Dom and got converted into a total faggot. I’m not sexually sophisticated, I’ve just been fucked by enough men to populate a large village.

[tallslenderguy]

13 hours ago, BritBottom said:

@ErosWired & tallslenderguy: Gentlemen, I’ve not long been a formal member on this site. I had dipped in to view often in the past. Having a little time on my hands, recuperating from minor surgery, I decided to formally join and get involved because I was impressed by:

1. The availability of useful information sourced from people having a basic common ground and real life experience who openly and freely share that experience and knowledge as an alternative to the politically correct, often judgemental propaganda or theoretical pap  elswhere.
2. Even with a broad range of perspective and practice I detect none of the bitchiness, exclusivity or prevalence of cliques I have found elsewhere.

I have found myself welcome and communicated directly with like-minded men who I have come to regard highly.

I have learned a great deal and felt confident enough to openly express my views and facts about myself I would never do elsewhere.

I fear I am rather awe of both of you as your intellect, level of self-awareness ,and sexual sophistication seems far beyond my own. My experience and perspective may appear naive and rather tame in comparison.

I can only speak for myself but, the consistency of the content, the depth of analysis and the way in which in which it is expressed leaves me in no doubt of the veracity of what each of you have to say. I find that both of you express content that interests me, makes me think, explore concepts and better focus, and sometimes challenge, my own perspectives. I look forward to your posts for those reasons.

 

In relation to the subject of hypnosis and referring back to both posts by ErosWired, my response was not one of disbelief in any way. I intended to express that sexually I relish the raw physicality of the experience above all. I surrender my body and hope that physical experience engenders a connection at a deeper level. I avoid prophylactics and chemical enhancements for the same reason.

Having had a breakdown/burnout a few years ago where I experienced a lack of mental & physical integration, the concept of another getting inside my head and altering my perception of reality – frankly, that terrifies me, even worse that it could be done remotely. The sentence “ But if you have a submissive psyche, such a person may have great latitude to drag you into some very deep, dark places of his own design, and where no help is coming. “ only highlights my fear.

Thank you for your sweet and generous comments.  From where i sit, you a thoughtful and insightful person and i'm both excited and grateful for your participation on this site. i love this community for similar reasons that you note.  To me, both self awareness and the ability to articulate what we see, are largely acquired skills, i believe the more we exercise them, the better they get. This site provides an arena for us to exercise both in a relatively safe environment.  

i am truly happy you are here and participating, you enrich this community. 

[tallslenderguy]

my read is hypnosis can be a paradoxical experience.  On the one hand, i read ErosWIred's account of being mentally "raped," the experience not being "hot, fun or sexy." On the other hand, he also notes that we can only be persuaded to do something that we want on some level.  

For me, this raises a question of fantasy vs reality and how we often discover (or suspect) that what we want won't equal reality?  Many of us here push the edge and look to make our fantasies real. What seems to happen in hypnosis is, once a person is truly under the control of a "tist", the ability to change ones mind if the experience is not what they imagined, can be compromised?  

It gets down to a question of love and the ethics that accompanies love.  A loving person has ethics and does not violate another persons volition. But we tread an edge in D/s relationship. With conscious interaction, we invent things like "safe words" to employ when one perceives they are going beyond their edge. It seems hypnosis has the ability to remove that safety, putting full(er?) control (after a fashion?) into the hands of the Dom/hypnotist?  i can see where this could have appeal on both sides of the relationship with some guys in a D/s relationship. i recognize lots of parts in myself that love being controlled, manipulated, molded, groomed. But, i always imagine the wielder of power "loving" me, thus i feel safe to be used in those ways. Many of us, myself included, even perceive forms of 'humiliation' as "loving."  

i think the bottom line is, experiences like this cannot be generic or "hook up" in nature, but need to be a part of a committed relationship where a deep trust bond has been established. i know i already have that safe guard in place, i'm not an automatic or easy sub. A Dom has to find the keys and places to use them in order to lock, control or bind me. my experience has been, that process is what both the Dom and sub find rewarding in a D/s relationship, though i know not all who identify as D/s see it that way.

[HardOneLA]

Now that I've learned my true purpose in life is a bottom to serve cocks I am much more comfortable in my role.  However I have always wanted to be hypnotized to see if would let all of my true pig out so that I could be used in ways that I might not normally do.  Oink!

[Guest]

On 6/28/2018 at 5:55 PM, gwmxyz said:

Someone once did it to me (or maybe twice, cant remember if I went back).    I found it a bit odd.  A bit like waking up only on a particular phrase rather than an alarm clock.  I sort of knew what I'd done too - which wasn't very much.  His designs had no dark places.  They were shallow and I'd have done them all in the usual way.  I just thought (a) missed opportunity - could have been really hot and (b) sex is better when you remember it.  On the other hand the fact that he could do it was hot - if only he had fantasies to match his skills.   He hadn't said anything about hypnotising and I still don't know how he did it.  

I believe it might have happened to me, and what you described was true, its like I would waken on a certain phrase, I knew what was being done, and there was also a loss of time awareness.  See The Best Sex you ever *had* by ErosWired for more details on this experience.