Trump supporters?

[Guest]

On 10/21/2020 at 1:11 PM, Lily95 said:

No matter who people vote for youre voting for a terrible person. Biden is a pedophile who supports pedophile Island and aldo is a devoted member of the kkk and then you got trump which just talks about how he groped a lot of women. Im not voting but if i was id vote for jack sparrow. Let's make america pirates! 

You’re fucking crazy

[fillmyholeftl]

On 10/21/2020 at 4:11 PM, Lily95 said:

No matter who people vote for youre voting for a terrible person. Biden is a pedophile who supports pedophile Island and aldo is a devoted member of the kkk and then you got trump which just talks about how he groped a lot of women. Im not voting but if i was id vote for jack sparrow. Let's make america pirates! 

Pedophile Island??? WTF ??? 

[kiwiguyuk]

18 minutes ago, fillmyholeftl said:

Pedophile Island??? WTF ??? 

Maybe they mean Biden's island in the video game Animal Crossing, which is about as G-rated a game as you could get. 

Meanwhile we all know that Trump and Epstein spent plenty of time together.... Which one seems more suspect to anyone with cognitive thinking ability?

[FemNegBttm]

1 hour ago, rawTOP said:

This is  a false statement. Look at our experience here in NY with a Democratic governor and compare that to the red states that have followed Trump's advice. The differences are shocking. For example, North Dakota has an infection rate that's 13 times that of NY. Hillary's approach would have been much like Cuomo's approach or Canada's approach and a lot more people would be alive today if she were president. That's what your family is trying to say.

Here's a reputable site where you can get good data about the state of COVID in the US:

[think before following links] https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/

In conservative states the population has more of a mindset of freedom and personal rights. The people who don't want to wear a mask in North Dakota wouldn't feel any different if Biden was president and told them too. Sure, it's stupid and causes unnecessary death, but that's their mindset, regardless of who is president. Not to mention the republican governors, congressmen, mayor's, etc. of those states would still be there saying the same thing.

Let's not kid ourselves, the virus is in the hands of the people, not the president

[thejadoman]

1 hour ago, rawTOP said:

This is  a false statement. Look at our experience here in NY with a Democratic governor and compare that to the red states that have followed Trump's advice. The differences are shocking. For example, North Dakota has an infection rate that's 13 times that of NY. Hillary's approach would have been much like Cuomo's approach or Canada's approach and a lot more people would be alive today if she were president. That's what your family is trying to say.

Here's a reputable site where you can get good data about the state of COVID in the US:

[think before following links] https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/

I don't think Trump has had as much of an impact on the COVID response as it has been made out to be, and I think Hillary would have had about the same impact.

I think the local governments and culture are ultimately what lead to where we are now, which is supported by the link you provided. Out of the top 4 states, 2 of them have a Republican governor, and 2 of them have a Democratic governor; but I think the culture in the northeast is more of a factor than who the president is. The west coast, and the DC adjacent area, respectively stand out to me in this aspect as well.

Local governments need to be held more accountable. Local politicians should not be getting away with deferring to federal officials when they have done 0 work in their local jurisdiction.

*I wrote this not noticing Hawaii. I think Hawaii is quite unique with its geographical position, enough so that I think it's reasonable to not include it with the rest of the states.

[rawTOP]

6 minutes ago, FemNegBttm said:

In conservative states the population has more of a mindset of freedom and personal rights. The people who don't want to wear a mask in North Dakota wouldn't feel any different if Biden was president and told them too. Sure, it's stupid and causes unnecessary death, but that's their mindset, regardless of who is president. Not to mention the republican governors, congressmen, mayor's, etc. of those states would still be there saying the same thing.

Let's not kid ourselves, the virus is in the hands of the people, not the president

When they start protesting outside restaurants at the beach that have signs saying "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" then maybe I'll take them seriously. "You must wear a mask to enter" is no different than "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" – it's a health regulation. If they can put on a shirt and shoes, they can put on a mask.

While it may be about personal rights, it's not about freedom. We have less freedom in the US today because of people who refused a short period of sacrifice so we could be free from the impact of COVID. People in New Zealand have freedom because they don't have to worry about getting COVID. We're not free. We can't travel to other states, let alone other countries. We can't visit our elderly relatives without worrying about killing them. We can't visit loved ones who are in the hospital dying. We can't go out to bars with friends without worrying about killing people, or getting killed. Ditto for bathhouses, circuit parties, large pride events, etc. Because of these people who keep talking about "freedom", we are not free.

It's no surprise that the people who are fine with school shootings (their right to own assault rifles is more important than the lives of thousands of kids) are also fine with spreading COVID. Both indiscriminately and randomly kill innocent people. That's not freedom. It's not ethical. It's not moral. And it's not honorable. Do not let people like that define terms like "freedom" or "moral" – they don't understand either concept.

[rawTOP]

2 hours ago, thejadoman said:

I don't think Trump has had as much of an impact on the COVID response as it has been made out to be, and I think Hillary would have had about the same impact.

I think the local governments and culture are ultimately what lead to where we are now, which is supported by the link you provided. Out of the top 4 states, 2 of them have a Republican governor, and 2 of them have a Democratic governor; but I think the culture in the northeast is more of a factor than who the president is. The west coast, and the DC adjacent area, respectively stand out to me in this aspect as well.

Local governments need to be held more accountable. Local politicians should not be getting away with deferring to federal officials when they have done 0 work in their local jurisdiction.

*I wrote this not noticing Hawaii. I think Hawaii is quite unique with its geographical position, enough so that I think it's reasonable to not include it with the rest of the states.

Because we're a republic our national government can't lock things down the way a totalitarian system like China can. But there's a hell of a lot they can do…

The federal government can insure adequate supplies of PPE, testing supplies, etc.

The federal government can coordinate the distribution of a vaccine when it's ready (they're leaving this to the states).

The federal government can aggressively determine the facts and disseminate those facts clearly and then market them to convince people to follow evidence-based health guidelines.

The federal government can coerce state and local governments to follow certain guidelines by withholding funds that the states and local governments rely on. For example the federal government could withdraw federal money for schools that have in-person classes in areas that don't meet strict criteria for reopening. (This "power of the purse" is true of a lot of things and lets the feds call the shots in major ways).

The federal government can give state and local governments the funds to do the right thing. Sometimes the state and local governments don't do things simply because they don't have the funds to do what really needs to be done.

The federal government can lock down borders to limit the spread. (They were too slow doing it and now they're sloppy about enforcing it.)

The federal government can test and quarantine everyone coming into the country.

Local governments are actually less accountable. This is something Cuomo has encountered. He set health rules for the entire state and then there were notable violations and the local governments were like "Oh, that was just a one time deal and that bar is owned by so-and-so's cousin". In other words local governments are too close to their constituents. It takes someone who's more impartial to enforce this sort of thing.

[EricX]

3 hours ago, rawTOP said:

This is  a false statement. Look at our experience here in NY with a Democratic governor and compare that to the red states that have followed Trump's advice. The differences are shocking. For example, North Dakota has an infection rate that's 13 times that of NY. Hillary's approach would have been much like Cuomo's approach or Canada's approach and a lot more people would be alive today if she were president. That's what your family is trying to say.

Here's a reputable site where you can get good data about the state of COVID in the US:

[think before following links] https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/

Not to mention Trump’s lack of international cooperation, publIc fight against the WHO, and the Trump administration’s cutting of the CDC budget— none of which would have likely occurred under a Hillary Clinton administration— and which delayed our early detection and response to the pandemic. 

[drscorpio]

2 hours ago, fillmyholeftl said:

Pedophile Island??? WTF ??? 

It’s an island in the Virgin Islands owned by convicted pedophile and surprise suicide victim, Jeffery Epstein. Lots of powerful people had visited there. Epstein supposedly conducted orgies with underage girls there. 
[think before following links] [think before following links] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Saint_James,_U.S._Virgin_Islands

To the best of my knowledge, Biden has not been connected to this location. 

[tighthole64]

Very interesting to see a number of 45 supporters hitting me up on Grindr.  They are all new accounts, and don't show distance. HMMMM

[Hairypiglet]

The ignorance and unfounded speculation based on personal bias are astounding.

Clean house already.

[Guest]

I an not  a Democrat or Republican but we have to say do we want other four years of what is going on now who ever fault it is us who have to be willing to want change 

[AlwaysOpen]

What scares me more than anything is just how easily we excuse or ignore the actions of the President. And as  I explain, try to think back  to pre WW2 Germany and a n'eer do well guy named Adolph. Donald wasn't much of a soldier ( in fact, he was never a soldier thanks to some handy "bone spurs")  Adolph , well he was unremarkable and  as a means to move him along he was tasked with spying on a political party the government was concerned about. Donald got a mission of his own- to harass  a duly elected, 1st black president; over his birth place..and did that for a right wing splinter of the Republican Party. Adolph discovered he liked power and ended up seizing leadership of a political wing called the Nazi Party. Donald was seen as the great white savior to the right white, and since he had a following, the Republican Party allowed him a seat at the table. The German government, in an attempt to control Adolph, gave him and his Nazi party, seats in the government. Now, both at this point were like wheels on a train- Donald began casting doubt about the media, and bullying and intimidating his own parties candidates while urging his masses to lock up his opponent- even promising to do so the day he was sworn in as his first action. Adolph, well he did a lot the same- he questioned anyone who did not agree with him- and many quickly learned to agree with anything he said or face a quick arrest and then a "suicide" in a basement holding room. In those days, the media and the opposing politicians each faced a similar route to conversion- those who wanted to live became spineless and ball-less minions to Adolph.Soon, Adolph did and said whatever he wanted, and even the established government was too afraid to question him ( Insert Mitch and company here, hell , even Little Marco and Lyin Ted are his cheerleaders now) Our version, Donald, figured out early on Muslims and ANY brown people-especially if they spoke Spanish, were the threat to the American way of life and bastardized them. Adolph saw the Jews and the gays as his targets, and rounded them up and displaced them. And just like Donald, he would separate the children from the mothers and fathers. As we heard this week, for at least 545 of the children who Donald did this to, their parents have just... well, they cannot be found.  The Germans were free to grab up the riches of the displaced if the government didn't get to it first. And they prospered at the cost of how many million lives. In our country, the stock market HAS soared and many see their 401K $$ growing, and do not worry at what cost. Donald has amassed a police force in Homeland Security; esp his special division of Customs and Immigrations officers who will swoop into whatever city he asks them to in unmarked vehicles, grab up citizens, and speed off. Adolph would be proud- they act just like his SS did.

Adolph and Donald are twins- neither one is ever responsible for what they have caused, always blaming the hated group, or other people around them, or other nations for their own issues. Adolph loved building mansions in the mountains and massive sea fortresses along the French shore, Donald has his wall ( please stand back, parts have been known to blow down in a strong wind) And while he has his mega mansions too- many as exclusive pay for political favor golf clubs, he also has a litany of failed casino and airline ventures that left so many creditors and their employees under paid if paid at all. Adolph though Benito  was his buddy, Donald still thinks Little Kim is his best friend and loves him.

Adolph played with human lives thru a sadistic doctor and unethical medical science experiments where thousands upon thousands died.  Donald has ignored reputable medical experts  and has so far allowed a controllable  if not totally containable virus to kill 223,000 Americans so far and many many more will die.

I had a history teacher, probably several, try to drive home to us to study the past, to learn from the past,so the errors of the past ( and the horrors)  are not repeated. I hope our society - particularly the elected members of BOTH parties, and both houses, wake up, put their balls back on, and work as ONE to restore our country to  a civil, and caring nation. From Supreme Court judgeship games to inaction on everything one party or the other believes is in the country's best interest, our current legislators have become 110% culpable for whatever happens to all of us in the next decade.

[wood]

On 10/23/2020 at 9:55 AM, thejadoman said:

I don't think Trump has had as much of an impact on the COVID response as it has been made out to be, and I think Hillary would have had about the same impact.

I think the local governments and culture are ultimately what lead to where we are now, which is supported by the link you provided. Out of the top 4 states, 2 of them have a Republican governor, and 2 of them have a Democratic governor; but I think the culture in the northeast is more of a factor than who the president is. The west coast, and the DC adjacent area, respectively stand out to me in this aspect as well.

Local governments need to be held more accountable. Local politicians should not be getting away with deferring to federal officials when they have done 0 work in their local jurisdiction.

*I wrote this not noticing Hawaii. I think Hawaii is quite unique with its geographical position, enough so that I think it's reasonable to not include it with the rest of the states.

But he has, he told people to disregard basic precautions. 
 

Where I do agree is that any kind of national mandate is a slippery slope legally and likely would be challenged. However. Trump deciding to not take it seriously enough has lead to the continued surge in cases that public health professionals predicted. 

[Guest SecretCumWhore]

I almost wished the brightest men of the world came together (smart LGBT members and supportors).... created a new nation in which most of the technology would follow us since our smartest people usually are creators of advancements in society (not all but quite a bit).... and then just live in a utopia with people who just want to live a healthy life...  save the planet as much we can, and improve everyone's living conditions....   *deep sigh*