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Interesting article in my news feed this morning about same-sex sexual behaviors in (non-human) mammals, with some hypotheses about why it (repeatedly) evolves. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41290-x TL;DR - One of the hypotheses (excerpt below) focuses on mediating lethal conflicts by substituting sexual behavior in the establishment of dominance hierarchies, particularly among males. Gee, doesn't that sound an awful lot like the whole "alpha" dynamic that we talk about here? Hmmm.... interesting!

Anyone know who this adorable muscle guy is? I've seen him in a couple of clips now, and he has the face of an angel...

Seems like their servers have been very flaky lately.

Except, of course, in the minds of those few of us who are actually looking for a back rub. Which happened to me one time - there is a guy near me on Grindr offering massage, and I took him up on it, because I wanted an actual therapeutic deep tissue massage because my back hurt like a sonofabitch. What I got was a passable erotic massage complete with penetration (both with toys and the real thing), but the actual muscle work and therapeutic value was minimal at best. Amusing in retrospect, but at the time I was rather peeved.

So a few weeks ago, I was supposed to have a play date with this FB of mine, on the day I was doing a 4-hour drive that went near his place. He's a super sexy Venezuelan cub, totally vers, and we have the best flip fucks ever. He calls me "daddy" and we do it hot and bare with lots of sexy breeding talk. So I'm on the road the morning of, texting him about ETA, and he suddenly says we are going to have a 3-way with a submissive bottom then go back to his place and fuck each other. And we're going to meet at the sub's house. Now, that's not my usual scene, but I'm feeling frisky and in a good mood, so I'm willing to roll with it. I know the sub is not his husband, because I usually meet my buddy at his own house, and we have to be quiet if hubby is working. He sends the address and says the door will be unlocked, and I'm on my way. I arrive at the place (Google maps did great despite some twisty roads), and it's in a newish exurban development, condos I think (they're so generic I honestly don't remember). And I bounce up to the door and go on in. Nice clean house, very white bread looking, not too much character in view, and there in the middle of the living room on a little square blanket is our sub, hooded, on his knees, blowing my buddy. Shaven all over. Looking, well, like a submissive cumdump. Definitely not my usual. My buddy beckons me over, and he's clearly into it, and into the fact that I'm there too. He and I kiss some and he invites me to use the sub's mouth, which I do, and my buddy moves around back of the sub. I'm generally down for a good spit-roast, and this is no exception. And I have to say, the sub's mouth looks mighty good with my fat tool going in and out of it. I can see just enough around the edges of the hood to guess that I'd find his face fairly cute with it off. Tempting to take it off and see, but I'm not a spoilsport, and doing that would clearly ruin his fun. My buddy is having a good time fucking him. And after a while he cums, and the sub is clearly enjoying this. Less cum for me, but my buddy's young and I guess he'll be still able to take care of me later. And then he gets a text and suddenly says he has to get going. And that I'm welcome to fuck the sub (who clearly is in subspace and therefore not telling me this himself, my buddy is dom du jour and therefore responsible for policy). But I have to use a condom. And he gestures at the pile of them sitting there. So I allow as to how that's good (although TBH I really hate them and they often make me go soft, but that's not happening today...). And I put one on (can't remember when the last time I did that was) and I'm fussing at the end of it, a bit, with my fingernails, before starting, but my buddy is still there. So I start fucking the sub while he, uh, pretends to clean my buddy off, I guess? Sucks him a bit more, anyway. I guess he's getting at least some cum off of there, since my buddy did come. And I'm fucking him, and my buddy is getting dressed and getting on out of there. Fucking with the condom doesn't feel great, and I pull it out and fuss at the tip a bit more with my fingernails and actually manage to nick it. So I put it back in and that feels at least a bit better, because there's some sensation on my glans, and the sub seems to be enjoying it too, so I fuck him for a while longer. And I'm getting close... But all the while I've been here I've been getting a subtle vibe that this guy is actually "straight" and married and all of this is on the DL. So I figure he might actually be really upset if he discovered his ass full of cum afterward. And that it might get back to my buddy, and that would be awkward. So I pull it out to cool off a bit, and sure enough my entire mushroom head has emerged from the condom. Lovely and pink and bare, sticking out beyond the black rubber. Just like in those C2BB vids I always find so hot. I slide back in that way and fuck him a little more, but no, I'm just way... too... close... In a miracle of self-discipline, I pull out and dash to the bathroom to dispose of the condom, then come back and feed the sub my enormous load. And head out. And my buddy texts me to tell me his hubby is in a bad mood and doesn't want him to have me over to play. Well, fuck. No dick for me. possibly to be continued

My last load was Wednesday. It was a rematch with a super sexy (well, I think he is...) big hairy bear top, about my age (we've each got just a bit of gray), married on the DL. Our chemistry is fucking amazing... I let him in and we kiss and I can feel it instantly. I hope he can, too. I'm hard as a rock in seconds. I get him upstairs and he offers poppers, which are just the dregs, so I make a quick run to the fridge to get mine. And we're getting naked and on the bed ASAP. Kissing and heavy body contact - he's really a big guy, but all over, not just in the belly - maybe 6'1" and 250# or a bit more, and lots of fur. My cup of tea. And I've lost some weight this year so I actually feel enveloped in his hug, and we're playing with each other's nipples (his are wired), and, yeah, more of that! I suck him for a while - he gets hard nicely even without a cock ring (lucky him), and then we flip around and he sucks me... and puts his hand around back, which makes me melt. So he rolls me over and plows me... And fuck is that good! Just a little lube to get him in - I'm tight but very hot for it - and then he's inside and fucks me on my belly for a good while, and then on my side. Then he comes out and we're kissing some more. At some point he says, "how does your boyfriend ever let you out of his sight?" - so I guess the chemistry is good for him, too. He's on his back, so I climb up on top and ride him. Ride him hard, leaning back, and he's super into it, and I love this because I can look at his face (looking into a guy's eyes when we're fucking is one of my hot buttons). And I lean into it and I'm so wanting his load but I'm not getting him over the edge, quite, and then suddenly I'm the one who's going over the edge and I'm cumming. Hard and long, all over his belly and chest, in fountains. He tells me to lick it off him, and I do... bitter tasting. And we're kissing some more and he's stroking and suddenly he's getting close and I try to hop back on and take his load, but I'm too slow and he shoots it all over where mine was. So I lick that off, too, and it tastes very different, rather sweet. Fuck, I needed that! It was a little disappointing not to get bred, but hell, I'll take it - fireworks sex is always good! We agreed that we must do it again soon. Hope he remembers (he won't give me his number).

Gentlemen: I think you both have now made your positions sufficiently clear to ascertain from the thread that: 1. @BootmanLA did not identify the person he was talking about as a friend in the original statement, and 2. @ErosWired made a transition from talking about that person to talking about a different hypothetical person, without perhaps making that transition very clear in his text, and 3. That as far as I can tell, neither of you were actually intending to offend the other. So perhaps we have beaten this horse enough. Just sayin. Namaste!

Not true! I heard from someone who swore me to secrecy that she ate much too much food with high levels of preservatives and additives, and as a result her body lived longer than she did.

You'd probably be fine now. The tenofovir component of Descovy has a very long half-life in the body (150 to 180 hours), so even after three days missed you'd have had pretty significant levels active in your peripheral white blood cells (where it does its work). Three doses in, you'd have built that most of the way back up to the steady state level. But ideally, you should wait. You knew that.

He overstated the case. Gay men (or some of them) may have glorified that lifestyle, but we certainly didn't create it. Just ask Caligula. Though an opportunistic infection will be a lot less likely if you start meds early and thereby preserve your immune system from destruction. Besides, you could just die in a car crash first. Or commit suicide. I know, I'm just a fucking ray of sunshine... I'm not trying to say that your original point isn't valid (it completely is!). But there are a whole lot of gay men out there, both HIV+ and HIV-, who don't deserve to be tarred with that brush. Plain ordinary gay, or bi, or "straight" (kinda) men, who have ordinary lives, and spend most of their time doing mundane things and having (or too often not having) mundane sex, neither of which resemble porn in the least.

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Short answer: No, you're not (depending, of course, on what you mean by "considerable risk"). Nobody knows exactly how much risk, because nobody has ever done a controlled study on that particular usage pattern (which should be no surprise). But (1) the presumption you specify (at least one detectable top) is moderately unlikely, because the rate of detectable poz tops is relatively low these days, and (2) even if you did cross paths with a detectable top, your chances of seroconverting by taking a load from him are only (roughly) 1 in 70. Longer answer: Your body levels of medication will be somewhat lower than they would be at steady-state (if you had been taking one pill a day regularly for at least a week). Not a lot lower - although pharmacokinetics vary between individuals, it takes the body significant time to clear the drugs from your system, plus you already re-started. So your chances will be substantially lower than they would be without it. What I would do: Given what I know about drugs, antibiotics, and pharmacology, in your shoes I'd take an extra pill today and then continue with one per day. That would be exactly the same (over the next 3 days) as the standard 2-1-1 "on-demand" PrEP protocol, which has been validated to be effective (though admittedly not with Descovy, but there are good chemical reasons to believe that it will behave comparably).

Well, it's about straight people, but this current article is quite relevant to our topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2023/09/19/southern-baptist-johnny-hunt-lawsuit/?utm_campaign=wp_evening_edition&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_evening

^^^ SO MUCH THIS! ^^^

As a teenage male, is completely normal for your sex drive to feel overwhelming! Try not to let it make you crazy. Finding sex is great, but if you can't do that, jerking off helps. It's always difficult finding someone, it seems. I think a lot of that is because people have a lot of specific ideas about what they want. Sometimes it is very helpful to let go of some of those and be flexible. If you give up some of your pickiness, you can try things you might otherwise not and also as an added bonus actually get some sex! The internet can be very unhelpful in finding sex, because people there are all being picky, too, and also it throws time and location into the mix, and actually meeting someone in person can be a seemingly impossible task. This is where parties and gatherings are superior, especially ones where sex, or at least flirting, is expected. It's why people go out dancing, for example.

Well, I did say I was splitting hairs. I chose what appear to me to be the two dominant paradigms in American society with regard to perception and treatment of homosexuals. You are perfectly correct here, and I completely agree.

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Well, after cogitating on this for a long while about 4am, I can't exactly say "I slept on it", but I have a bit of different perspective, which may seem to some like hair-splitting, but here goes: ethics are the societal rules within which we are acting (or which we are flouting). There are two sets in operation here: 1. The "old" ethics of the repressed anti-gay culture of the 1950s, as derived from roots in puritanism and Victorian society. These are the ethics that the closet case promulgates and purports to live by. By these ethics, there's nothing wrong with outing him; in fact, we are expected to do so. 2. The "new" ethics of the sexual revolution and the modern LGBTQ+ movement. These are the ethics that many of us here (including the site owner) promote. By these ethics, there's nothing wrong with outing him, because there's nothing wrong with him being gay, nor even with him having fun outside his partnership (as long as the partner permits that). So the problem with the outing isn't really an ethical one. It's a moral one. morals are our individual ideas of right and wrong, from wherever each of us derives those. They might align with the ethical codes to which we subscribe, and they might not. And that can vary on a case-by-case basis. Is there anything morally wrong about outing the guy? It seems to me that the question here is whether it's OK to create trouble in his life (public and private) because he's a hypocrite whose actions promote an ethical code with which we personally disagree while flouting that ethical code himself in his private actions. Ironically, if we align our morals with the ethical code he's promoting, that's OK (an eye for an eye). But if we align our morals with the ethical code that says gay is OK, we're much more likely to say outing him is NOT OK (judge not, lest ye be judged).

You've made only 16 posts. That's about the bare minimum that can get you to Junior Member status. For some people it takes twice or three times that many posts. So yes, in order to earn those privileges, you have to participate. This is a discussion forum.

I'm with @PozTalkAuthor in feeling conflicted on this one. If the person in question is taking actions in their life that harm gay people (e.g. conservative politicians and religious figures), I do think it can be justified. To be harming a group of people of which you are a member and not sharing in that harm yourself is malfeasance of the worst sort. But I am also mindful that judging and hurting other people is seldom, possibly never, constructive, and that no one should be entitled to do so. Justice and mercy are altogether too often in conflict.

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That is not the protocol that was tested in the French study. It is, however, a completely logical extension of that protocol, and there is no logical reason to believe that it would work any less well. It simply hasn't been proven to work (i.e. in a study subject to statistical verification).

If you are planning on taking fists bare (as opposed to with gloves), then you should definitely consider PrEP. Hangnails are a fact of life, and without a barrier, would allow blood/blood contact between a fisting top with a hangnail and the fisting bottom. I actually know someone who (back in the 90s when viral loads were less well-controlled on average than they are now) acquired HIV through a hangnail on his own hand when it came in contact with HIV+ blood that he was helping to clean up after a nipple piercing bleed. Or so he claims.

Just curious: how is one HIV positive "in [anyone's] opinion"? I think @chrisbb most likely meant, "I'm HIV positive and in my opinion it has no bearing on my sex life."

Because it's the most recent information they have? It does, at least, provide some proxy for risk, in that the amount of time is presumably correlated with the number of encounters via which they might have changed status. Alternatively, when they posted it, it was recent... and then they forgot all about it. I do that one myself, often.