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Thanks for that response. I'll be the first to admit that I don't pay much attention to the Maga crowd, and I don't possess any affinity with them. Maybe there's more to the Epstein mess than just raping drugged-up young women, but there has to be some reason beyond the obvious.

Mine's been the same forever: guys that don't look like me. Thick, rich, curly black hair, the more the better - arms, legs, chest, back, - and unshaven for a day or two, but that's a later development (probably since there were so few where I grew up). I wonder if there's anything better than the Three H's .... a Hairy, Hungry, Holes ......

I didn't keep notes back then, but it was probably around the early 20's. Still don't keep notes, either.

I know there have to be some Maga guys here on BZ, and I have a sincere question: Why are the Maga folks so pissed off about the "Epstein Files"? Why would Maga folks give a rats ass about Epstein? Everyone with a tv or other ways to keep up with the news knows that Trump doesn't want these "Epstein Files" released, and for good reason. Even modestly-informed people know by now that he and Epstein were good buddies back in the day, went whoring together, did all kinds of mischief together. That's hardly "news" anymore. Epstein died in the clink - either voluntarily or not - and the Maga crowd can't possibly be mourning that loss. Who would? These "files", records, whatever they are, could only do more damage to the hero of the Maga folks, so why are they so pissed off that these "files" haven't been made public? Who would care if they ever are? The guy has been dead and gone for years now, and whatever is contained in these "files" would almost certainly reflect poorly on the President. I would have thought that the Maga folks would be in-step with the whoremonger-in-chief, but for some reason these folks are mightily pissed off about whatever's in these files that they simply need to know about. Their hero could only be further sullied, if every last detail in the pile of dirty laundry came to light. I simply don't understand this uproar, why it's happening, and how the Maga agenda could possibly be furthered by releasing even more sordid details than is already know. If someone can make this clear, thanks. If not, thanks anyway.

Well said. This is one of the things I miss about the state of (gay) affairs years ago. Sure, we still form friendships, all of that, but that part of ourselves that ties us to all our gay brothers & sisters was a thriving, caring, helping ear, hand, whatever whenever we needed it. When guys laid down and died on the sidewalk, (that actually happened to us - a guy died in our driveway - a shockingly hellish thing) we had only our friends for support, and we gave it gladly - freely to those who were in desperate straits. Everyone was in danger, and everyone did everything they could to help others - and no liturgical bullshit required, either. The "celebrations-of-life" events-cum-funerals were endless, dozens a day. Simply put, it was hell on earth.

100% agreed. This is why I hit the fuckjoints around here - the guys there have one thing on their minds, and they've left their "gay encyclopedia" at home. The guys there are blunt in advertising what they need, no bullshit about this latest "trendette", or that innovation in descriptive crap. I don't think I've ever set foot in one of the many "fern" bars around here, and it'll stay that way. Cuddling is for a big basket of puppies (I mean real ones). Once the mating is over, there's no chance of cuddling in the fuckjoints, since each guy that just fucked are on their way - sniffing around for their next one.

"Suf" I'm assuming that's a contraction of his name, but what is the full name? Long "0" pronunciation? I've never heard that name before .... interesting.

Isn't it odd how some things in our youth we simply never forget? I first ran into a shower-room in Junior High. Swimming class was held completely naked. No guy had a swimming suit. And, of course, some guys "popped a boner", and that juvenile saying goes. Interestingly, the teacher (also the coach of the football team) had an office that opened onto the locker room - wherein the rows of lockers were available for his inspection, should he stand there and look. More, he always stood there and looked - after slowly undressing completely right in front of the open door - looking into the locker room to see which guys were watching him. He would just stand there - naked - nonchalantly watching all the guys getting naked. Much later though, I found out that he had never married, lived with another man (this was in high school), and telling my mother about the new, fire-engine-red, '64 Olds convertible he'd just bought. Of course, some guys got hard on's during swimming class, but I only recall one guy remarking about it (I never did like him). Some guys were further along in their physical development, some guys less-so, But, it was just something we dealt with.

In a word, no. After hiv arrived, there were a handful, of course, that just didn't care; they became infected and passed on. I lived in Chicago at the time, and bars closed, the gh joints closed, and boystown was deserted after dark. Nobody fucked anybody without a condom, and precious few even did that. Whole neighborhoods turned into ghost-towns. Once the medical arts progressed to the point that AZT came along, some guys that were on it started fucking again, but my other half and I were still shy of going out to fuck as we had before. AZT was considered to be at least a chance at avoiding hiv, but it took quite a while (several years) before we all returned to our former glory.

Lots of interesting input on this thread ... Thanks for sharing your viewpoints, guys 😉

I think somehow we actually are related ..... Not the day after the night before, but not too long after either. Sometimes I have to fold up a paper towel, put it where it doesn't belong, just to maintain some semblance of decency when I have to run an errand or whatever .... the cockdrool is like a faucet left to run.

First, thanks for that most interesting subject/question. The very word - "virginity" - implies a physical state of no experience of having sex with another person. But, the next question would/should be, what do you want your experience to be? Or if the subject is young, have you even considered that there are options? Your answer is spot on, in that there is now "connection" between the partners unless there is desire on both sides. If a guy who knows (or even thinks) he wants other guys, caves to the pressure and marries traditionally, would that count for "losing his virginity"? I would vote np, since his experience did satisfy what he knew he needs, and got something else instead. On the other hand, if a straight kid to jacks off with a buddy, is that to be considered "gay" sex? I would say no, in that two kids exploring what their bodies can do in no way implies anything more than a couple of curious kids exploring what their capabilities are. The interesting question would then arise: did one of the two kids experience something "more" than just jerking off? Your lovely description of your first "proper' time is evocative of a young man, formerly unaware, becoming acutely aware of one of his important needs, regardless of the condom. That experience spoke volumes to you, and that expression of your sexuality became an important facet (meaning, a part - not the whole) of your sexuality. It allowed you to understand that hard raw Cock fucking your hole was also an important facet of your sexuality. I'd call that the most fortunate event of your budding sexuality, since you're able to "connect" with other men in either position. Some of us can't say that. Of course, the virginity question is the type that any answer will fill, since generally it's the first time we actually "feel" - "experience" that meeting of the souls, via our cocks/holes since the term "virginity" has more meanings than merely the common one. Loosing our "virginity" is when we first feel that huge rush, the enormous thrill, the life-changing sexual cataclysm of having an emotional response - not simply a physical one. Thanks for that excellent post.

Many of us have endured that experience. What it involves is, asking question of ourselves: "What is more important to me? To gain some measure of acceptance from a group of people I see once a week?" Or maybe that answer might be "I most need to become the man I want/need to become, and I'll take from religion what I need to accomplish that, and leave behind what inhibits my personal growth. "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you", all the beneficial things are fine. What isn't fine, is restricting our personhood to suit someone else; that's nothing but a recipe for misery. I would have a hard time accepting that any one cultural tradition can outweigh the above; particularly since there are so many religious traditions competing for our acceptance. I certainly couldn't in my own life, and I simply don't believe in some pie-in-the-sky if we only surrender our truth to a cultural group of people with interests other than ours.

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