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There's got to be a way to overcome this problem - it's really nothing more that an "engineering" issue 😄

16 seems right to me ... if a kid is responsible enough to drive a car, then he's responsible enough to give/take loads too.

I completely agree, but - it seems to apply universally; what was, fades away - and whatever is new takes hold. That outcome is lessened perhaps, for more generalized organizations, but for the more "specialized" clubs, it's been a like a scythe cutting down the more traditional organizations. I supposed this has been happening to humans since we crawled out of the caves, but that doesn't make it any easier to accept.

I don't see any "reaction" doo-dad for "blush", so - - - here it is: Thanks for the kind words.

To my mind, it's the fading of these specialized organizations into our history. There are rather few "act-specific" * clubs around anymore. It seemed to happen somewhat obliquely connected to the advent of online cruising, the fuckapps, all of that, with the accompanying "de-personalization" of cruising, That's merely my own observation however. *meaning, B/d clubs, S/m clubs, Leathersex clubs, etc, around anymore. The venues still are, obviously, but the personal membership, interaction with, being with, other men with like interests, is mostly gone.

I'll agree with this statement, and happily so.

No apologies needed, my friend. Your points are well-made and understood. I agree that elements of populism are found in fascist regimes, but carried to a more extreme extent. Where the current state of affairs falls on an imaginary scale of fascism vs populism isn't my point; rather, it is my disinclination to place an inordinate amount of value on what AI "thinks". I'll agree that AI can come up with pre-conceived notions that may or may not fit properly into a question or conversation, but it's not even close to an educated human brain.

Thanks, TightBott7, for that interesting addition to the conversation. When a man identifies as a Bd/Sm/Leather bottom, that doesn't mean he's a "submissive" in every other aspect of his life. A man that loves submission sexually may very well be the loudest-mouthed guy at some other, non-sexual event. The entire point is, each man has equal agency up to the moment the negotiated scene commences. Then, the limits agreed to by both men become tantamount to law - not to be broken, but to be observed and respected, since any other behavior would reflect most poorly on the one who "broke" the negotiated rule, and physical injury may be another of the outcomes. In other words, the shame of becoming known for breaking limits would inhibit either for doing so. These groups are - mostly because of the dearth of men committed to this kind of sexual life - closely knit, and nothing passes faster than one guy saying to another "did you hear what X did to y? " We need to make sure he's (the victim) ok .... I don't understand why ..... ...... that could be the case. Doms (as opposed to Tops that are naturally somewhat dominant) simply don't want to allow any deviation from what they've agreed to because it will demean themselves in their own eyes. More, when word gets out that they're irresponsible, so will their opportunities in the future. They know that disregarding limits negotiated by the bottom (whatever they may be) is dishonest and a shame on their reputation. What Dominant man would want to be known for breaking negotiated limits? Each of these more rarified "communities" - B/d, S/m, Leather - are relatively tightly-knit, like a "brotherhood", and the last thing any guy would want to be known for (within his own community) would be the shame of breaking a negotiated "limit". The "enforcement" aspect of the limits is self-generated, since word always gets out when some guy breaks a negotiated limit. Finally, a negotiation is merely that. If neither man involved can commit to honoring an agreement, then obviously they go their own separate ways. That's a far better outcome than someone getting seriously injured, merely because they mistakenly think the "scene" has already begun, and he has no agency at all. I don't believe that many Tops of any configuration want to be known for dishonest behavior. After all - Tops need bottoms, they're precious to us. Without bottoms (regardless of the specialties" we're discussing here), where would we Tops be?

<grinnnnnnn> Wishing you all the fantastic, filthy, wonderful, fulfilling, rewarding down-n-drrrrrty sex you can handle !!!😁💦

Wellllll ..... Artificial, yes ..... Intelligence, maaaaaybe, maaaaaaybe not so much: No, the leaders of the European nations knew perfectly well that non-German speaking nations had been "using" German-speaking lands to fight their wars for centuries. The leaders of the victors of WWI were leaders of exhausted nations, and simply crossed their fingers behind their backs, and then looked the other way. AI needs to take another look. If AI learned that appeasement simply does not work (in world-affairs), or by any other means, it would be a bit less shallow. For instance, what would AI have to say about today's military adventurism, fomented by Mr. Trump (with the aid of the PM of Israel)? Since it's already happened, no point in asking AI what he/she/it thinks of the possibilities. If AI came up with something along the lines of a breathtakingly weak man being manipulated by a most competent manipulator, PM of a certain nation in the Levant, then that would be at least a plus for Mr. AI. To the issue of appeasement, the non-German countries were just as deeply troubled by the depression as every other nation, only more-so, having just gone through a terribly-bloody war. I may be mistaken, and I'm not going to ask Mr. AI, but I believe that the nazi party won the elections in 1931(?), which - according to the German Constitution, meant the party that wins the election takes over the German government. Thus, taking power was a Constitutionally-required event for the nazi party, and it happened legitimately, just as the entire industrialized world was sinking into the depths of world-wide depression. So, sweet boy - let's ask AI what it thinks about the adventurism taking place today in the Levant - see if Mr. AI has digested his breakfast yet .....

To the O.P., I wouldn't consider it for as much as a minute. I don't give a rats ass who knows about what I do sexually. There are two groups: Those that wouldn't want to know for love nor money, and those who wouldn't comprehend in the first place. I've never won any beauty contests, but then I've never entered one either. NO guy that takes my cock up his gut does so because he thinks I'm good-lookin. On the other hand, no guy has run away either. Just a regular guy here.

Assuming a hookup with a 'new' bottom I hadn't interacted with prior, I operate on a different "plane", in that each man has equal agency when meeting for negotiating the planned scene. Frankly, I've never heard of a Bd/Sm/Leather scene where the bottom "sets" the limits. The "limits" - or acts that will or will not take place - is the entire purpose of the "negotiation", and each man has 100% equal agency at that time. Neither man has any more (or less) power over the other; it's nothing more than a negotiation of what will and what will not take place during the scene. Total honestly is expected and assumed. The Bd/Sm/Leather Community in any particular area is likely to be fairly small (limited in number), and word of any kind of violation of the limits will get around like wildfire, be investigated, and the man that commits the violation (if any) will lose any respect he may have enjoyed within that community. That's called "peer-pressure at it's most effective". If an impasse becomes un-negotiable, (meaning agreement to limits/terms/whatever cannot be reached), each man thanks the other for his time, says something positive towards the other, and they part company.

Thanks for that interesting response, RubberAustria. I do have a question, however: How different are "fascism" and "populism from the far right"? The only difference I see, is that one actually happened in Europe, and the other has not yet fully come to pass here in the US.