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Well ..... thanks for clearing that up .... or would that be cleaning it up ....

My next appt with the vampires is on Wednesday, and it takes a couple of days to get the results. So, I'll have an update around the end of next week ....

Thanks for the information, ericnl and BootmanLA. Most unwelcome obviously, but most important as well.

9, 3, 12, 15, and the guy in-between 10 & 12. Can't see what the number is. They're all looking a bit too young though ...

Those risks aside, the husband might get a hardon to strong it'd rip through his pants. But that's just one possibility. Even with a breedsweat on my brow, I still think the best thing to do for a loved one is sharing the truth with him. Maybe the other half has known for a while, and is bemusedly waiting patiently for "the reveal" !!! No way for us to know, of course, that a night out won't at least assuage, if not cure. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

Yeah ... big time. I haven't been to my favorite (and probably most dangerous, health-wise) since the first week of December. Merry fucking Christmas, huh? It wasn't the fear of std's though - they'll come when the come, and I get tested regularly, have vacced against those that can be, on PReP, so I've done as much as I can, and still maintain some shred of my Lusts. That said, and despite the regular "help" of a fb, I'm pretty much going nuts. I used to hit the fuckjoints every Fri & Sat nights, and that was enough (well, usually) to carry me through the week (plus an occasional visit with a fb during the week). Since it's February now, I think we should just declare it Leap Year this time, and Leap back into the pool of rutting, Breeding, load-taking, Seed-pumping men, and regain our whole-ness. I'm really getting tired of all of this covidiot mess ....

Well, one of these days, you'll be dusting off those sawblades and jumping into the PigPen. Felching a Hole full of loads off other Cocks is probably my favorite fetish ... and once you try it, you may find that group sex is a little bit on the addicting side of things. But to the posted question: I was a Pig almost from the first time I experienced sex with another guy. What has changed - deepened - improved that state though, is I'm not the "joiner-to the pigscene" anymore ... I'm more of the instigator now. And ... I love it.

Well .... I started fucking guys before hiv came along, so raw was the way every guy fucked. There wasn't really a specific term for "bareback" sex, since that was what every guy who had sex did. There were a few guys that had "fetishized" condoms (or "rubbers", as they were known then), but there were very few guys into that. Every guy who fucked, fucked raw ... it was totally normal. Yes, there were the usual "bugs" that got passed around, but nothing like hiv. Guys that didn't live through those years may have a difficult time understanding how rampant the fear was, when no one knew the "how's and why's" of transmission at first, but we all knew it was passed via sex. Of course, the answers to the "h's & w's" came relatively quickly, but the reaction to the fear of dying a truly horrific death remained for years.

Thanks, fskn, for the update. I think I'll copy this to the letter-writing program and print it, and discuss with the doc next week at the regular checkup.

LOL .... Great mental image !!! I think if my mother ever witnessed me in "action", she'd have called on Jesus to take her right then and there ....

Hmmmmm .... I see your point. I did shift into 5th there. Thanks for pointing that out.

No problem at all, BootmanLA ... I like your <polite cough> challenges. It's entirely proper to offer them. I very much enjoy the discourse, sharing of ideas; that's why I'm here. Now: the title of this post was "Do you still cum in a bottom who asks you to pull out". There was no qualifier, no hint of when (before/during/almost done) and I answered that question according to my personal thoughts. I claim to speak for no one but myself. I don't mind sharing what I happen to think on whatever subject, but it's only my perceptions, and on the behalf of no one but me. The one possible exception: there was a post a while ago about "negotiations" "rules of the road", "safety", all of that, for a Bd/Sm scene. I happen to be experienced in that particular corner of the m4m world, and offered some considerations that could possibly be considered "speaking on the behalf of others", since no one else within the LeatherLife world had not responded to that thread. I look forward to more interesting perspectives from you - and everyone else, for that matter.

I agree. First, it would only stir up trouble for someone, and I'm assuming that wouldn't be something you'd want to do. Secondly, both of them would probably avoid you if you do that. Stick to their dicks - keep your Hole open and your mouth closed. Then, all three of you win.

Well, I had to wait to reply - busy day around here, and I tend to get a bit down-in-the-weeds sometimes 🙄 We, as citizens of this country, need to have some measure of trust in our government on certain issues. One of these would be on issues of health, wellness, etc. While there are crackers in government, there seem to be fewer in the various health-care arms of our current administration. That said ..... In the Congress, we need some major reform. Being elected to the House or Senate should not be someone's ticket to vast wealth. There have been hues and cries over the years, and they are completely valid. Given all the other messes we're dealing with currently, the issue of Congresspersons on-the-take, whether from lobbyists, political organizations, whatever, needs to be reconstructed. The days of Jimmy Stewart in Washington are long, long gone. Once Voting Rights are secure, bills to care for the least of these among us (not quite a direct quote) are passed, the SCOTUS pigpen is cleaned up, and the really crucial issues to our Republic are addressed, we should turn to: 1) Term limits, 2) Financial issues pertaining to Congresspersons, NGO's contributions (i.e. bribes) to Congresspersons - both Republikan*, Democratic or Independent. Progressive or Liberal. Whatever the label, if they're "serving" us in Congress (as opposed to serving themselves trainloads of cash), then that's what they should be compelled by Law to do. Apparently, greed has become the norm in Washington, particularly when Congresspersons can run again and again for literally decades. The issue of jerrymandering is related, but probably not germane to this topic. Having been politically active in City of Chicago politics for a number of years, I know first-hand how much that reform needs to happen. In essence, I'm endorsing a national re-assessment of our Government, and I am about as far from endorsing conservatism as one could get. After 200+ years, that's not so unimaginable. I see the Constitution as a crucial document of great importance, since our Government is based on the precepts laid down within it. That doesn't mean it should never be updated, obviously. Glaringly, the 2nd Amendment needs major surgery, but there's plenty of updating needed throughout. It will take sincere, honest discourse amongst the citizens of our country to start righting these wrongs, which seems impossible these days. How we do it, I don't have a road-map. But, it's up to each of us to do what we can. I think the "medical" area of the Government has become too large, too unwieldly to act judiciously. There are too many people on the take from Big Pharma to effect fundamental change in focus. One thing about bureaucracies is, they tend to get fat and lazy, issuing "guide lines" to more bureaucrats on lower levels - in our case, State Governements - and assume they will be followed. Yet another layer of molasses to grind through. Another thing about these collections of civil "servants" is, they tend to develop into a "take care of myself first, then the rest of the citizenry" mindset. I'm not saying all the people working for Government are corrupt - far from it. It's more like a creeping, gradual drift. Which is why we need a more holistic approach to reforming these institutions of Government. However well meaning, these outfits are not equipped to do it themselves. Thus, it it's to be done, it must be via the electoral process, starting at the local community level, proceeding through the ranks of calcification to the Federal Government. Some today think that armed revolt (called for yesterday by Cheeto-Head - he of that ridiculous pompadour - I could go on and on, but that's for a different place - and that would wind up with tragic consequences. Somehow though, the health-care arm of the Government simply must be reformed to include the welfare of every damn person on this continent. Every single one. Regardless of race, creed, origin, who they fuck and how often, on and on. There's no quick fix here; things have been oozing along for so many years it will take a general "shake-up" to bring these much and sorely needed reforms. I wonder if it's already too late. But I'm an optimist - a fool, maybe, but I actually believe we can right these wrongs together - as an educated citizenry. Well, I'm sorry to say that at present, we have to assess for ourselves how factual the information we get actually is. Frankly, I do trust in information from the CDC regarding covid - however lugubrious their testing regimens are. I don't think some of the arms of Government are quite as fucked up as some others, and they're the doctors, not me. So, I do what Fauci tells me to do. I have to place at least some trust in our Government. When we press our concerns/issues firmly and consistently, together as one, we will get some of these folks attention. As far as I'm concerned, we could start pressing Congress to announce that there was no 45th President of the United States. *intentional

I don't see these two (the fuck or the load) as separate. The one naturally follows the other - or should, barring any late-surfacing "disagreements". The fuck and the Breeding are two parts of the act - one without the other just doesn't scratch the itch for me.

Obviously. The root of the question though, is when the Top is made aware. We are men who need sex with other men, we have what some other men need, and they have what we need. The problem is, "consent" or "non-consent" to fill the guy up should (or I would even say "must") come before the fuck (preferably), or shortly after it commences. If a bottom says "gimme the load" and then waits until the very last instant before he gets it, and suddenly says "no - I didn't mean it - I don't want the load - pull out" then I find that an abrogation of the limits first agreed upon. Bareback Tops don't exist to cater to bareback bottoms that think they can run the scene, alter the terms from second-to-second. That's irresponsible, manipulative, and anything but fair. Bottoms that try a maneuver like that are more into trying to "Top-from-the-bottom" than a sexual exchange. Bottoms are only 1/2 of the breeding calculus - and trying to co-opt the Top's half is unacceptable. To be clear: When in a 1-1 situation, I ask where he wants the load before I shove it to him. Then, when I'm razor-edge close, I tell him something like "now it's time to Breed" ..." or "now I'm gonna make you one of my boys" ... or something like that. He's already had chances to decide, and when it's too late to alter the impending event, it's just too damn late. Obviously, in the fuckjoints, this subject wouldn't even rise to the level of discussing the weather ... let alone anything else for that matter.

Well, I was THERE ... about 25 years ago .... two ships passing in the dark(room), I guess - - - dammittall ..... 😁

That was in response to a page or two earlier in this thread ...

Of course it is. 1. Alternatively, the sub must bring his phone to the proposed Scene, and make arrangements for a friend to call at X time. 2. The friend who places the call must know the address/location of where the sub will be at that appointed time. 3. If the sub doesn't answer or respond to the phone call, the cops will be called and informed. And, they will come. 4. The Dom must be informed of these safety arrangements well in advance of the proposed scene. If he has any thoughts of abuse, he will either cancel the scene, or be impressed at seriousness of the sub's commitment to Service. If the Dom's on the up & up, he will be doubly impressed, and I would predict a very successful scene will follow. At least take these few steps to care for your safety.

First, thanks for the information, guys. I can't say I understand it yet, but a challenge is always worthy of the mental exercise. While I've never even seen a "language?) like that, it's always good to learn new things. I'll try .... Assuming that the partner does not know: cheating: (I'll have to mess around with the computer looking for those symbols) implies fun, but there may be costs. cheating implies not ethical: that is the implication, without further definition of terms. not cheating implies no fun: intrinsically correct, but a bit vague for a definitive answer. You already know what the parameters I would endorse. For clarity: when I was in high school, algebra was a required subject for the higher-ed "track-system" (remember that?) As it happens, the librarian of the high school was also my mother, and she and the algebra teacher, an old, single woman nearing retirement, were coffee-break-buddies. Thus, the algebra teacher felt comfortable asking if I were doing the homework, knowing my mom would answer truthfully. As it also happens, I spent a lot of time each night trying to understand algebra. Of course, my mom reported that yes, I was spending hours at it. At exam time, I flunked algebra completely, but - thanks to the friendship - the algebra teacher passed me with a D, since she knew I'd been seriously trying. She also told my mother - which was shared with me by mom - that the teacher had said to my mom that "very occasionally I run across a student whose mind simply doesn't comprehend algebra, and I'll pass your son with a D, since I know he's got other talents, and I don't want to keep him out of the college-bound track". Thus, while Everest looms before me, and my name isn't Edmund - yet, I'll try. Since I telling tales out of school, one more quickie: I wanted to try out for the football team, and stubbornly insisted. My mother also knew the football coach (natch), and marched into his office and for-fucking-bade him to let me on the team. She was only trying to prevent her skinny kid from being broken into pieces of course, but I did resent being offered golf, tennis, and finally accepted the track and swim teams.

Both ErosWired and backdoorjimmy raise a valid point, and thanks for raising the issue. It seems we need to define the word predator with some specifics. For clarity, here's one from MW: "an animal that lives by killing and eating other animals : an animal that preys on other animals predators like bears and wolves and another, compliments of BBC: "A predator is an animal that hunts, kills and eats other animals for food. Prey is a term used to describe organisms that predators kill for food. Predator/prey relationships can be illustrated in a diagram called a food chain or food web" Now, We are not reflective of either of those definitions. While there may be some validity in some guys calling themselves "predators, or predatory" within the context of men having sex, the real definition of that word is being stretched to the limit. We don't fuck, then kill each other. Some of us do go "hunting" in the fuckjoints, and maybe some of us misuse the word. I'll accept the blame, since I may very well have used the word in an inappropriate manner somewhere along the line. If that's the case, it most definitely wasn't in a bloodthirsty context. That in no way conflates with the actual definition though; we're "hunting" for willing partners to fuck. They wouldn't be there, ass up, if they weren't "on the hunt" for Cocks to Breed them. That said, there is never, ever, ever any excuse for deliberately harming another human being (unless society determines that shall happen according to the law). Thus, perhaps we could describe predatory acts as aggressive, destructive, threatening, disruptive, offensive, disturbing, to name a few. While these are not complimentary at all, at least they don't imply killing each other. We're all about exchanging pleasure, each guy has what the other guy needs.

I couldn't agree more !!! Dull guys are good for some things, but intelligence, honesty, integrity, is really sexy ......

But. There is an even more powerful act which could accomplish that and so much more. It's called VOTING. Crucial at the local level, critical at the State level, and of utmost importance at the Federal level.

There is an easy way around this. Any business of decent size retains a professional CPA service, which assigns numerical codes to all areas of expense that particular company incures. Thus, whether electronic or actual checks written to pay various invoices, the specific accounting code is also entered, which information is for the CPA firm only. When desired, these codes can be "double-protected", in that the initial numerical code leads only to another one. The point is to make it as difficult as possible for any outside agency to unearth the actual purpose of the payable. Plus, there are other ways to compensate the CPA firm, particularly when it's a gay-owned/operated company, and I don't mean fucking them. As it happens, my partner and I had a weekend place, and twice a year we invited the accountant and his other half to spend some time there. Purely as friends, of course.

It was quite chilly again yesterday, and Chris came over last night as well - and brought a little present with him. I think I may have fucked the "present" before, and fortunately I had the playsheet under the sheets. We had a pervectly filthy time of it for the second night in a row. The present was a hot-holed Hispanic guy, with a great hairy Hole - one of my very favorites. Chris and I both rutted in him, ate his Hole together, fucked him some more and then shared each other's Sperm up that sweet hairy Hole. It's only a queen-sized bed, and the three of us actually slept together off and on, but the sensation of a mouth on my Cock did wake me up a couple of times. Of course, I was guilty of the same ... Now where did I put that bottle of cum-stain-remover .... the washing machine is calling those sheets ... loudly 😒 It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm