blackrobe

It depends on what question/s you are trying to answer. I'm asking these questions: What percentage of minor males who were legally abused or raped currently perceive their abuse or rape in a positive light, and why? What percentage of minor males who were legally abused or raped showed negative outcomes at any time during their life? What percentage of minor males who were legally abused or raped currently show negative outcomes in their lives? What does correlating the data from Q1 with the data from Q2 and Q3 help us understand about subject's self-reported "positive perceptions" of abuse and rape. Do these self-perceptions match the clinical reality? Are negative outcomes less or more prevalent for those with "positive perceptions" (and vice-versa)? I'd assert that the sample at BZ is too skewed to reliably answer these questions.

Of course it is. It's worth noting that the survey missed the males who were cum inside between birth and 9 years old. Looking at the curve above, you know some were missed.

There's no statistical data here to support that assertion. The sample of respondents here is dramatically skewed towards sex positive and hyper-sexual men so this isn't a usable sample.

I think the drive of tops to inseminate and impregnate bottoms with their DNA is relatively common. Bottoms thinking of themselves as "fertile" are the complementary side of that same drive. It's framing themselves as ideal partners for these breeders with the drive to impregnate their virile seed in a way that's immediately understandable. Being in heat, in season, ripe, etc. are similar terms that help a breeder know that bottom is 100% receptive to their need and drive.

I don't think cumming and breeding are at all the same thing. Any man on his own can cum, but only one man inside another man's ass can breed.

I think you're reading more into that quick, very direct message than there is. I've worked on site down escalations and I'm guessing that they have their hands full getting replacement hardware in place and getting back to a known-good operational state. Having done it myself, I read it as being a very fast note to let people know they're on it and to set expectations.

Good to hear from the BBRT folks. The best thing we can do right now is leave them to it.

BBRT is down for everyone, this is not a localized outage. It's been unreachable for 14 hours and 28 minutes according to isitdownnow dot com.

This. I find my hole opens for real cock in a way it just doesn't for dildoes and toys. I think having a whole man to please and feeling turned on by his presence and fuck need is a big part of connecting with your bottom nature. I am wired to please breeders and earn their seed, and with a dildo neither of those are possible. My hole starts out snug, but it's amazing how large a dick you can take when you're well prepared and very horny. My first regular dom breeder was 9.5" and he trained me to take his dick on my back spread wide and submitting to his use for hours and taking up to a dozen loads. Anticipating how good a breeders dick will feel as it stretches you open and how hot it will be as he bottoms out in you goes a long way towards making it a reality. The skill and experience of a breeder is a factor, also. I'll take a skilled/experienced breeder over one who is unskilled/inexperienced, regardless of size. I don't use poppers for medical reasons (check the health warnings carefully), but I think they can be a good tool to get you over mental and biomechanical humps. I learned other relaxation techniques to give men the opening up experience they want. My hole now gets supple and juicy the more a breeder fucks and starts to make the kinds of wet fuck noises that really turn them on. I have a couple of regulars who are entranced by how my hole opens up for them. A challenge for me is when men fuck their loads inside me, my nature wants that seed to stay inside so I can instinctively tighten up. It takes some focus, but I work to relax my hole so that the pressure on the breeders dick is loose and it's easy for them to withdraw if they want. For breeders who stay hard during and after they seed my hole, I let them enjoy the spasming they caused in my hole muscles and then loosen up a little to make sure they know they are welcome to go again. Like most things, it's about practice, practice, practice, and finding what works for you. I found being ass up in a bathhouse for anyone to use is both an act of community service, and a great way to see how relaxed and fucked out your hole can get. If I can get here from being raped as a kid and feeling mortal terror that I'd die if another dick did that to me again, I think most men can. Amplifying @topblkmale and with apologies to Michael Pollan: "Take bare dick. Mostly big ones. There's no such thing as too much."

Agreed. Finding a representative sample will be difficult, especially if recruiting focuses on those who were adults and only engaged with adult relatives. A convenience sample is the likeliest option.

You're suggesting an hypothesis, that societal disapprobation may be a cause for the negative impacts of incest. I've also put forward an hypotheses, that perceived positive perceptions of those experiencing an incestuous relationship don't mean that there are no negative impacts from same. The hypotheses are completely disjoint except in that they address the same group. The wheels to tease out the contributory factors have already been invented. This is how researchers have been able to show that it was societal disapprobation that most impacted gay people, not being same-sex attracted itself. I'm saying "Let's do the research to find out" because the tools exist and they've already worked in the case you're basing your hypothesis on. When there are multiple hypotheses, we design research to prove or disprove them. That's what I was proposing in a broad way. Your position seems to be that there are no effective tools to do so, and that's just not so.

I understand the point you're making, it's implicit that you'd need to control for other causal factors. My calling out just two doesn't obviate the need to do sound science and control for anything that looks contributory in the statistical models. My main point is that what appears to be an initial positive read on an experience, can instead be an adaptation that's been arrived at over time. I've been in groups with men claiming what happened to them was positive, but along the way you hear all the classic negative outcomes that result as well. That reads as an adaptation to me, not as a case of zero negative outcomes resulting from their experience.

I acknowledge that many incest survivors, like child sexual abuse (CSA) survivors, may consider what happened to them a positive experience. It's worth pointing out, however, that reframing and reconciling their experiences is part of the adaptation that incest and CSA survivors can make to live with and integrate their experience and its lasting effects. That doesn't mean it wasn't traumatic or damaging, or that the impact of the trauma is gone. I'm not a clinician, but I'm willing to bet that if you controlled for individual resilience factors and other traumatic incidents, and put these incest survivors with a positive view of their experience though evaluations for negative outcomes and behaviors over their lifetime, you'd see evidence that they were, and likely still are, negatively affected.

One big caveat when reading research in this area: Male survivors of child sexual abuse (incestuous or not) are not well studied or understood in the research literature. For that reason, research of this vintage (2011) and older has a strong slant towards male perpetrators and female victims, tending to erase female perpetrators and male victims. For decades the definition of rape in many jurisdictions meant that legally males could not be raped or sexually assaulted. With recent changes to the law in some jurisdictions and the addition of a "forced to penetrate" category of sexual assault, the numbers of female perpetrators and male victims are beginning to be better understood. "The Assessment of Forced Penetration: A Necessary and Further Step Toward Understanding Men’s Sexual Victimization and Women’s Perpetration" by RaeAnn E. Anderson, Erica L. Goodman, and Sidney S. Thimm In the US, the FBI only changed its definition of rape to be more inclusive of men as victims and women as perpetrators taking effect in 2013. This affects the statistical data that the FBI collects for the annual Uniform Crime Reports (UCR). Note: "The FBI's change does not affect any criminal laws; it adjusts the definition only for statistical purposes, so that crimes under existing state laws will now be acknowledged, and counted by, the federal government." It can be re-traumatizing for male survivors to see the language in research failing to acknowledge their lived experience.

People are conflating the question of incest with preference for specific ages that is more broadly called chronophilia. I teased it apart in my earlier post for this reason.

No, incest should remain an exception, not the rule. Most incest involves someone underage, vulnerable, and/or incapable of informed consent. It can be incredibly damaging to young minds and change the way their brains work permanently. In cases where related adults, who haven't been groomed, coerced, or otherwise damaged want to engage in sex and pregnancy isn't possible, it's a grayer area. Bonds that are parent/child or have a similar dynamic seem fraught with emotional and power issues that make them hard to give a pass to. The degree of maturity and self-awareness needed in all parties to navigate this kind of relationship seems very uncommon to me. Betrayal and abuse of power tear families apart in ways that just can't be fixed. Sexual exploration is going to happen, that's why there are Juliet laws in some locations. Provided it's consensual and informed, sexual exploration within a peer group isn't a blanket wrong. The best case is where parents acknowledge that exploration is going to happen, have the frank conversations that are needed with their kids, and make a safe space for kids to explore with peers within the home. However, no parent, no matter how enlightened, will ever want to make a safe space for their children to experiment with each other. Incest has too many negative outcomes, including generational outcomes, for it to become "normalized".

I find South Asians very appealing and have given up my ass to those that have needed to fuck and breed it. What I've discovered is that over two thirds of them treated me with what felt like contempt or loathing. I came out of the majority of these meetups having been caused pain as a result of that contempt, either from being fucked in a way that hurt, or being manhandled in a way that showed a lack of care for my body and mind as they were using it to get off. It's fairly common to see expressions of disgust flashing on their face as they use me. In every case I told them they were hurting me and asked them to stop or do something different. In most cases they went back to doing what they wanted fairly quickly and in a few cases I called a stop and left. I've also noticed a strong leaning towards wanting to degrade me and almost punish me. I've worked with a lot (I mean a lot) of South Asians and I wonder if the roots of how I (and perhaps by extension other white subs) get treated aren't deeply embedded in their cultures. I've had many work experiences where I saw profound homophobia from South Asian colleagues. Perhaps this is internal and external homophobia in the men that need to fuck hole, I really don't know. As a counterpoint, I've had some great experiences with South Asians, especially the enby who has been a regular for a long time. It makes me wonder whether all the internal work my enby friend did to accept their gender expression (they are quite femme) helped them unplug from whatever it is that made these other South Asian men treat me with such little care or respect. As a result of my negative experiences I am extremely cautious with South Asian men now. I think the question of upfront desire for a specific race or ethnicity is only part of the equation. How we've been treated by men of that race or ethnicity has to be layered on top of it too, as it strongly affects our future choices.

I was wanting to understand the specifics of this situation and the basis of your support for the DEI programs in Texas universities being banned. Your opposition to DEI programs seems general and not specific to the Texas case. That's all I needed to know.

To your point, was the Texas university DEI a "not specifically target(ed)" program? What are the indicators of this? How did this manifest in Texas? Specifically, what outcomes did it need to meet that it failed in and for what communities? It seems like you have a standard in mind for what makes a group qualify for targeted assistance. What is that standard? What groups do you think qualify for some assistance? I'm really struggling to nail down where you think Texas actually failed, and what you think needs to be different to make an effective intervention. The implication is that somehow people who needed help got shortchanged and it went to people who didn't need it. I'd love to see that data that leads you there.

To summarize what I think I heard from you: "The DEI programs at Texas Universities did not effectively or authentically represent the concerns of black people and address their issues. That these programs were in fact a way of paying lip service to helping black people while instead providing a vehicle to help white people and those looking to pass as white. Direct advocacy by communities and their organizations would be more effective at getting their issues addressed within the Texas university system." As someone who's had to work inside a DEI structure to try and move forward a specific set of issues and concerns, I well aware of the way a DEI organization can structurally slow or prevent progress. Do you have specific data, citations, or evidence on how DEI in Texas universities failed and justified the creation of this ban? Based on the broad reporting it seems as though it supporters are more ideologically than specifically data driven. That is, I don't think the proponents of the ban are proposing a better, more effective solution for driving up under-represented minority enrollment and graduation, but instead simply wanted to remove the program and let the chips fall where they may. The author of the bill that created the ban stated that his goal was in "promoting a merit-based approach where individuals are judged on their qualifications, skills, and contributions" which would seem to structurally disadvantage students across the black community and many others. I'm trying to figure out if your support is based on specific knowledge of the situation in Texas, a general belief that DEI is always structured to fail or be unfair, or a simple idealogical agreement with those proposing and securing the ban.

@BlackDude and @topblkmale, I'm interested in the reasons and rationales for why you think banning diversity, equity, and inclusion programs is a good thing. Can you help me understand your thought process here?

A young black man who is a frequent flyer is addicted to the way my hole opens up around him, becomes so wet, and makes such slutty sounds as he fucks into me. I start out snug, but it's how my hole surrenders wetly to him that brings him back again and again. The last three times we fucked he fucked so hard and deep, and orgasmed so powerfully into my juicy cunt. I think its not just about looseness, I think it's about being very wet as well so that if you are snug to start, it easy for them to get inside and enjoy our holes as they relax into their most receptive state. That transition is one many men enjoy deeply.

This is the fundamental misunderstanding I think exists about bottoming and this kind of profoundly primal human drive. Apart from the obvious human drive for sexual activity which in some way we all take part in according to our natures, its worth remembering that sex is always about control, whether it's given up, taken, or shared. Wilde was dead on the money when he opined “Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power.” If you look deeply enough, I think you'll find much of the time men with a deep need to impregnate, and men with a corresponding need to be impregnated, are both happy and joyfully male and not looking for a gender shift. What lies underneath this dynamic is a need to dominate/impregnate and be dominated/impregnated. Thinking about the ultimate acts of submission connected with sex, the idea of becoming pregnant for a man, yolked as an incubator for his DNA for months has to be near or at the top of the list. Being same-sex attracted is a normal human sexual variation, but the biological drives pattered into our species by millennia of evolution find a way to express themselves just the same. The assigned male at birth bottoms who present their ripe, fertile cunts for impregnation do so knowing they won't get pregnant (duh). The reptile brain inside us doesn't care. It wants to do what instinct tells it too - fuck, surrender their cunt to a worthy breeder, and come away changed by it. Claimed. Owned. Transformed. There is also the transgressive nature of a men yearning to be impregnated by a man with that clear intention, as though the yearning to bottom and accept men's cocks in their bodies wasn't already a step along that same path. Just a deeper submission, a more complete surrender. Some imaginative bottoms focus on the idea of a man transforming them in some way as a result of their fucking. Pregnancy is just one of the ones that align with the reptile brain, but submission and surrender can be seen in other transformation kinks like imagining being made a werewolf, vampire, or even poz conversion (no, I'm not equating them) by a intensely focused primal top. Male breeders are following the biological imperative to fuck and deposit their seed in every hole they can. Some of these breeders become aware of how their primal need to fuck and seed resonates more strongly when they connect it to impregnating, claiming, owning, and or transforming the bottom they are using. I completely get @Pnp-pig's point of view. Being a male is a pretty good gig in many ways, although there are downsides too. Being a male is seen as consequence free in many ways. Now, I don't get guys who cross dress and it's not something I see myself getting a sexual charge out of. At the same time, I don't feel any strong reaction towards the men who do get into it. It's well covered in research how homophobia, external or internal, has deep roots in misogyny and is grounded in a sense of male primacy. As gay, bi, and men who have sex with men its worth some quiet reflection to excavate where our feelings and attitudes towards men who exhibit *any* aspect of what is traditionally seen as the female role (Receptive in sex, reproductive drive, sexually subordinate) might be coming from.

It's likely about short notice cleaning, but our bodies and our rhythms are all different. For my big guys (over 8") I like to do a routine that takes several hours. That's not always possible if it's an On call or short notice hookup. I use a 10" silicone nozzle to prep and test that I'm good to go. Honestly though, top guys quite often want hole on their schedule, not ours. Compliant bottoms who want to be bred often need to be available when breeders need ass, so not all preparation is going to be as long as we'd like.

Now I'm curious what words you exchanged...