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Well, I can't even remember the last time I went on a "date". To me, that would imply dinner, followed by the theatre, or a concert or whatever, followed by (maybe) a fuck, if the two guys liked each other enough after the "getting to know you" dance. A hookup, on the other hand, implies none of the above, (except, of course) the fuck. Either at one guy's place, or even meeting for a drink and then hitting the backroom for the fuck. One implies the mutual desire to become acquainted, the other only "you're hot, let's fuck".

Around here, that's certainly the case. You'd think that many Floridians have never heard of covid. But then, that pie-faced excuse of a Governor hasn't helped either. The good news is, every gay guy I know has been triple vacced, and waiting for the next shot. I know a number of guys that have come down with omicron, none with any serious illness. Still, I've taken a hiatus from my favorite fuckjoint, so it's not back to normal for many of us. Now that the snowbirds have come back to SoFl, the streets are full again.

I didn't read it as the guy is trying to pass the bottom off as his biological son. There are tons of Daddy/boy relationships that work well, with no biological connection. I would agree that there are probably very, very few actual successful Father/son sexual relationships out there, but there are plenty of guys into the scene. Actual incest is not cool, but "pretend" Daddy/boy scenes - especially well-planned orgies - can be fantastic.

But, you're not wrong. DCslutHole, when you compose your posting for the event, you really do need to stress the Daddy/boy part. There are more guys in that kind of arrangement than you may think, and (speaking for myself) I know there are other Tops that love watching their boy take loads off other Cocks. Also, make clear that it's to be a "swapping" event - boys strongly encouraged to take any/all Cocks, Tops strongly encouraged to at least rut in a number of Holes, Breed as many as possible. The pig farms around your area will be missing a lot of pork in the morning, but you'll have one sweaty fuckuva good time. I think I've mentioned this in another thread, but for a couple of years I kept a cumslut, and always loved watching him take loads at the orgies - usually fucking another Hole close by. BIG turn-on !!

Well ...... How about sloppy twentieths ?? Better and better !!

Agreed. If a guy goes to the tubs, has sex with 1 guy, maybe 2, his risk level for contracting an STD is exponentially lower than if he took 20 loads off different Cocks, or fucked 20 different guys, or ate loads out of 20 different Holes. Oddly, what used to be "enough" years ago, just isn't anymore; thus I put more importance on the regular check-ups, etc. Ever deeper depravities lead to ever greater chances.

Thanks for adding your perspective !

YUP .....

Interesting thread ... I think that having sex is critical to every well-balanced gay man. It's one of our defining characteristics, thus gay men that say it's not "critical" either have some issues to resolve within themselves, or - like Lucy - have some 'Splainin to to. But there is one paramount quality to a successful gay relationship which trumps (ptu)* even sex: Each guy in the relationship must respect and honor and hopefully feel some measure of love for the other. It doesn't have to be head-over-heels, but a substantial measure of caring for the other guy seems the most important quotient of a successful relationship. That would - of course - obviously lead to an important sexual component. Expressing love/care for another generally includes sharing sex - but I suppose a relationship could survive without it. So, I would say that yes, sex plays a critical role in a gay relationship. *pardon the usage Any conclusion you arrive at is appropriate, assuming you've made the effort to consider all variables that may apply. The examples you give would imply a poor self-image on the part of these guys, for any number of potential reasons. That said, most gay men - probably almost all - that would consider having a relationship with someone who wants to withhold the sex would be almost guaranteeing failure of the relationship. Fucking doesn't have to be everything, but it's gotta be an important part - with apologies to the cake-baker. If some guy I really liked wanted to stay with me for a while, was a raw bottom, and thought he could deny me his Hole, he'd be "excused" in damn short order. On the other hand, if some guy I really liked wanted me to fuck him every day, whore him, make the most of his Lusts, I'd go get the truck out of the garage and help him move ... LOL

I agree. The silliness of the human construct of the ancient Judeo-cum-Christian belief-systems is off-putting to anyone who pauses to reflect on that institution's actual value. The deity we call "God" today went by other names in the distant past, probably the earliest of which is "El", a regional war-god who inspired Joshua to butcher the residents of the "God-given" land in the Middle East. Without going into all the manupilative bs, and having rejected Organized Religion since my teens, suffice to say that I have arrived at the following: We human beings have, within ourselves, the capacity to choose our path. We have the capacity to recognize Good, and also Evil. If (X) exists, then Anti-(X) must also exist, and we either make a conscious choice which to follow, or drift aimlessly within our lack of making that choice. Some folks never bother to ponder these greater issues, and that's a shame. Maybe some are not able, and that's an even greater sorrow. No one is perfect; we are all, to some extent, victims of our own human-ness. For myself, I reject the manipulations of O.R., and walk my own path, my own search for a deeper understanding, my own spirituality. Each of us needs to choose which path to follow. Every one of us messes up in small or large ways, every day; it's part of being a human being. What's different is, we have the capacity (if we use it), to try to do better next time. Plus, we get to decide what "better" actually is. Well, that has never happened to me, even when I used the cruise apps. I'm guessing that the guy who initiate communication with "hail" falls into one of at least two camps: 1. He's made his choice to follow a certain path, and is announcing his decision by using that greeting. 2. He's fundamentally misinterpreted what the term "cumdump" means (if that word appears in any of your profiles/text on the apps - it does here on BZ, so logic would say it may on other profiles too). For many, that is somewhat of a pejorative, when in fact, it reflects a high calling indeed. A life of service - particularly when that service engenders personal danger, and offered to all, is to be upheld, honored, and respected. In the darkrooms, I don't give a hoot what path the bottoms I rut in follow, or if they follow any path at all. In those places - "meat-markets" - there is only one purpose. Yet, even in those places, we can avoid harming others, do our best to give pleasure sating their lusts while sating our own. In other words, giving what we have to those who need it. Sharing. Celebrating. Connecting. While I have never had the experience of some guy trying to initiate a chat with that particular term, I would probably merely reply with something like "thanks, not interested", or similar. That said, I don't even use the cruise apps anymore, for reasons explained in another thread. Well thought out. I believe that this temporal plane is not the only level of consciousness, and probably lower in value that other, more ineffable ones. If I believed that I would never, ever "experience" my life-partner again, in some unimaginable way, I would be less of a human being than I am, holding that hope. What that plane of existence is, I cannot begin to say. But, as the saying goes, Love conquers all, and I remain hopeful. While I know that "religiousity" isn't for me, I simply feel that one fine day, in some way or another, I will.

Actually, this is an area of discussion I knew nothing about at all. I'd heard of it through the years, so I investigated a bit on what this really is. From what I learned, there's not much to it. Substituting one historical (and dramatically altered through the millennia) figure for an even more ancient mythological figure seems not worth the bother - at least to me. Religiosity, in whatever form, seems to require beliefs that only support the believer's personal viewpoints, outlook, strengths or weaknesses. There's not much more than meets the eye (I mean, the drawings, symbolism, iconography of "Ms. Palin") to it. Just another belief-system that depends on silly magic stuff like the virgins giving birth, walking on water, resurrection, blah blah blah.

Bingo ... and the chronological age is irrelevant.

Well, I certainly don't love the jerk, but I don't want him dead either. I believe that harboring hatreds towards others only diminishes ourselves, so I do make the effort not to indulge. That said, if he got run down by a truck, I doubt I'd send flowers to the funeral. Still, it was a very hot fuck ... so, maybe I'd send a bouquet of - - - oh - - - dandelions ???

Philip, for different but similar reasons, I retained a gay internist just to take care of these particular needs (I seldom hit the tubs, but I see him there almost every time I do). This internist is not associated with any other health-care insurer, and I pay him in currency. Also, I get tested for all the little bugs on a monthly basis, since my proclivities tend to attract them occasionally. Better to take precautions early, right? Also, I no longer even bother with the online cruise sites; this burg is soaked in drugs, particularly the gay ones, and I avoid guys that are somewhere in the "clouds", since I much prefer to fuck guys that are "present". I couldn't agree more. For that matter, never feel ashamed of doing what you need to do, regardless of societal pressure. We're born how we're born, and we don't need to feel one ounce of shame about being the men we were born to be, and acting on those needs. I generally limit practicing my Lusts to weekend nights in the fuckjoints, but only so I don't slack off on other responsibilities. Philip, the fact is, yes - we're going to catch bugs - maybe even a serious one. That fact doesn't mitigate our need for unbridled, wanton Breeding however, so it's up to us to take our individual responsibilities to heart. For me, it's a small price to pay.

Cripe ... these comments make me feel old .... I have not one scintilla of a clue what they're discussing ... 🙄

First, I check to see if the innards are particularly dry, which can indicate there's still more water up past the second ring. I prefer to mouth-lube a Hole that hasn't already taken loads off previous Cocks. That said, it's far hotter to mouth-lube a Hole already full of loads, or at least one or two. Pre-lubed Holes (with commercial stuff) never tastes as good as Sperm-loaded Holes. I'd rather eat a plain, clean Hole and lube it up with spit myself.

Of course, when it's already been pumped up a hot ass. Mine, along with every other load off other Cocks, all mixed together by rutting Breeders.

Well, fksn - I met my life-partner at Mans Country in Chicago. I was fucking a tasty Hole, and he was sucking off a Cock next to me. He pulled off long enough to give me the most beautiful smile, twinkling, big, fat, cornflower-blue eyes, and then went back to work. When the Cock he was sucking shot it's load in his mouth, I just leaned sideways and kissed that sweet, beautiful mouth full of Sperm. That was the beginning of just over 30 years together; next month will mark the 14th anniversary of his passing, and I miss him every day. But, somehow I was lucky enough to find the perfect guy for me. So, it can happen !!! Many years later, after moving to FL, I met a hot-assed cumdump on BBRT, who turned out to be the perfect mirror of my own Lusts. I "kept" him for around 3 years, took him to orgies, whored him out at home, took him to IML and showed him what serious Breeding was all about. It ended a couple of years ago, thanks to his drug addictions - I just couldn't put up with it anymore. It was fun while it lasted though.

"porn4jesus" LOL .... With Jim and Tammy Fay right behind you !!!🤣 Great sn, bud !!!

Reading through the replies, it sounds like the general cut-off age is somewhere around 30. I don't "card" guys in the fuckjoints, but I can honestly say that nubile, hairless, "young" guys don't do much for me at all. I get that they need to gain experience, all of that, but I don't need to be their professor. I like fucking men, and if that means they're over 30, 35 fine. I wouldn't rob a wheelchair either, but an experienced Hole is far more enticing. I would hazard that most bottoms under 30 have yet to learn much of their craft, mostly because they haven't had to yet. A sweet, young thing may be attractive to many experienced Tops, but that doesn't mean the kid is worth fucking. We all like puppies, kittens, whatever because they're so cute and innocent and gawd knows what else. That doesn't mean they're experienced Holes or Breeders yet. All of us were young once, and gathered perhaps more action than our experienced deserved merely because of our youthfulness. The blush of youth may be nice to look at, but that hardly means the kid is worth fucking - far more likely it means he isn't.

To me, this is the crux of the problem. If the formalization of the relationship began with a promise of monogamy, then when that (almost certainly) changes, the hornier of the two owes it first to his partner, and then to himself, to have "the talk" with the partner he promised fidelity to. The sneaking around, the lying, cheating degrades the horndog partner, and inevitably leads to a lesser, not greater human being. I don't think there are all that many gay monogamous "couples" wherein at least one has had "outside" sexual contact. Part of being gay is recognizing and acting upon our Lusts, and that fact needs to be celebrated, not repressed. Cultural bs be damned - being honest with your partner(s) is mandatory to living a decent life. If the other half - still ensnared with the cultural baggage most of us were raised with - can't / won't deal with fucking other guys, the problem lies not with sexuality, but almost certainly with the religio-cultural hatreds we've all been taught from an early age. It's those perversions that need to be overcome.

Thanks for the reply; that particular method never occurred to me. But, now I know one more. Thanks for sharing one of your favorites!

The problem, Rye656, is that "he's not down" and you (apparently) have entered into a relationship on a dishonest basis. Some guys are loving life-partners, and fuck everything they can, either together or separately, and that's the foundation of trust their relationship is built on. Yours is built on sand - dishonesty. Even if you honestly thought you would contain your lusts, and only fuck your other half, things change, and when they do, you need to be honest with your bf. As usual, BootmanLA & ErosWired are 100% correct. You asked for advice, and received it. Make good use of it.

Well !!! If I could still blush, I would .... but it's far too late for that ... Thanks.

Now then, Karl: We're Pigs. Every one of us. Some of us have partners, roommates, lovers, whatever, who are also Pigs. That is the fundamental unifying factor for rawmen, and it only co-exists in relationships with that express understanding. Of course he's on the cruise apps. He doesn't want to be monogamous and I doubt you do either. This is a fundamental part of our chosen life. Thus, you can cling to some unnatural "taught" system of monogamy, or you can live free with another guy you like who will also live free. Good luck with your choice. Re-read Bokkibrob's reply,