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There may be one more: the advent of the hook-up apps? Around here, there are guys getting run down almost weekly because they're staring at their (presumably Grinder) apps, paying not whit's worth of attention to what's around them. It must be similar to the much-decried "addiction" that teens across the bored (!) have to their telephones. Recently I had to buy a new telephone, and I still get every kind of ad, offer, "come-on", every day. I've deleted as many as I can find, but they still keep coming. And, who ever anointed some people as "influencers" anyway? I wish there were still those old, black Bakelite telephones on a stand in the corner - when it rang, you picked it up and hollered "hello". If you weren't home, too damn bad - whoever it was would just have to try again.

So do I ..... but you can have my share of the Krispy Kreme's .....

That would not surprise me. Years ago (well, make that decades ago), she was a bit on the fleshy side, She married Ed McCaskey during WWII, and the Bears Lockeroom talk referenced some of the players playing with her. There was gossip about visits to the plastic surgeons, all of that, while her husband was away fighting in the war, but who knows? That was all well before I was even born. It could very well be that her soul died long ago, and her carcass lives on - but in the world of the rich and famous, that's fairly common, particularly these day.

Not everywhere. She brought her dog & pony show to Chicago once, which was to be held at huge old Masonic Temple on the Near North side. I was working downtown - one "el" stop south of there - and people started calling each other to show up for a demonstration. Interestingly, this was before cellphones had come into wide use; these were land-line calls. My boss (also gay) said "go". I jumped on the el (at that point the subway, but still called the "el" for "elevated") and got there pronto. Every bus, every train, every time a subway train stopped, hundreds and hundreds of guys poured out, and congregated in front of that building. By the time she showed up, no vehicles could even approach the venue. We hollered, we chanted, we stomped and hooted. Finally, the bitch was driven away. Another example: Remember when Matthew Shepard was murdered in cold blood by that ridiculous excuse of a "pastor", whose only "congregation" were members of his family? He had the balls to come to Chicago to protest something or other - I don't remember exactly what - but the same thing happened. This time in Boystown, right on Broadway, of all places. Literally thousands of men showed up to the protest, many of the buildings were one-storey, guys got up on the flat-roofs of the buildings throwing rocks, beer bottles, anything at hand at the hatemonger, because they couldn't get near the location (a dry-cleaners) where pastor shit-for-brains and 4 or 5 of his "congregation" were holed up behind a cordon of cops that had to hold each others wrists to keep back the surging crowd of very angry men. I'd never seen the Chicago cops so afraid of being overcome. The cops couldn't get hold of the owner of the dry cleaners (this must have been a Sunday) to come unlock the doors so the cops could evacuate the miserable wretches out the back door. Finally they got someone to come open the back door (from the alley), then unlock the front door, and unfortunately the miscreants got into their ratty p.o.s. van and got away, with a police escort to the Eisenhower expressway, headed out of town. Those were heady days. Back then, Chicago really rocked. I hope it still does.

Whichever you choose, we'll be waiting to hear your viewpoint !!

While I'm not ashamed of my sexual equipment at all, I think my filthy mind is probably the best sexual attribute. Without that, the rest wouldn't get nearly as much action.

I've got a couple of decades to donate to the "age-bank" and still remain comfortably within the requirements .... just sayin ....

Welcome, RawCountryGuy69. We're glad you're here, and interested in sharing your thoughts (as well as your Lusts, of course) with the rest of us. We look forward to hearing more from you !!

Welllllllllll ......... I don't know how I missed that. I must be watching the wrong news channel. If I ever watched Fix channel, maybe I would have seen it, but I had my tv altered so it would never go to - oh - Fox - unless there was a good game on Sunday. Yeeeeessss, I like NFL football. My particular team (locally, here in FL) is doing really well these days, while my "homeboys" The Chicago Bears, have sunk ever deeper into the NFL toilet, but there's an excuse: George Halas, founded the Bears in 1920, one of two Charter members of the NFL (along with the AZ Cardinals) and when he passed his daughter, Virginia inherited the Bears, and now she's 100 years old, so skinny she could walk through a harp. Rumors have it though, that she only partially passed away years ago, and is buried in a casket deep below Soldier Field. On game days, they dig her up, administer some more preservative, and she comes to life again. The Bears have been paying for her formaldehyde transfusions for decades now, No wonder they can't afford to hire more talented players. As to Madame Bobert, she and that Marjorie Trailer Greene (go ahead, fill in the missing word) generally cause me to head to the head whenever they're on tv, disgracing themselves all over again. It appears that theo8 (above) channeled the descriptor before I even had the chance ....

It only took 6 words to encapsulate the whole reason we do what we do. Perfectly, simply, completely. Kudos, jXsluT.

Do you mean that some nutcase guy actually let THAT wretched creature touch him ???? Nauseating .........

First, welcome suboutwest. I hope you find this amazing site as inspirational as the rest of us, and we're looking forward to hearing more from you. To the reference of an "online" Master, have you ever met him? If all contact between you and he have been online, how much do you know about him, other than what he's told you? In the Bd/Sm world, personal (I mean, in-the-flesh) communication is the foundation upon which any Master/slave, Daddy/boy, Dom/sub relationship is built. I encourage you to set up some reason/excuse to go visit him, and at least become familiar with him in person, and sooner rather than later. This seems to be rather a serious step to take for an "online" Master, particularly since your already married (to a woman, I'm assuming). There are all kinds of sexual situations that we might find "extremely arousing", because they fire up the imagination, the Lusts, the kind of sexual license that stirs our in-born need for sex with others like us. The issue should scare you. What appears to entice you - as I understand it - is the prospect of being used as a sexual object by men like me, the behavior (or freedom) to express our in-born sexuality freely, without cultural/emotional encumbrances, whenever we like. That's expressing a need for honesty within yourself, and only you can do that. It's the wanton behavior that may entice you, or the prospect of submission to another man, or any number of behavior-related acts. Human sexuality is a richly laid-out banquet table, with all kinds of delicious depravities, some of which we find most tasty, some of which we don't. Of course, the sense of taste can only be achieved in person - not over the ether. You're correct in sensing that sexual freedom is something lacking in your life, and you very much want that. More, you should have it - once you've really thought through what you really want out of life. Some of us thrive, are enriched by living life with the freedom to fuck anywhere, anytime, with anyone that makes our Cocks hard, and that's a choice we've made. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't; I'm saying take the steps to protect yourself from life-long health problems first, before acting in some irreversible way. Get on PrEP - it's the best chance to protect your health in the future, regardless of what ever else you wind up doing. Get tested regularly for the other, lesser bugs that you will certainly get at some point. All of us get the lesser infections occasionally, get them treated, and then continue our life's journey. No, you're not. You may be bisexual, but you're not "straight". You may be trying to "pass" as straight, but you're only trying to convince yourself (or worse, others), which is intrinsically inaccurate at the very least. Take some time to figure out what you really want out of life, take as long as it takes. There is no gun-to-your-head deadline, some guys take months, some guys take years. The point is to figure out what will make you a whole, complete man. You don't mention what the relationship to your wife is, and I'm not asking, but that will be an issue at some point; seems it always is. All I'm asking you do to is figure out how you want to get the most out of your life, and protect your health until you know yourself more deeply. Know what you want, know the potential price to be paid for your freedom, make a clear-headed decision, and then have a fantastically fulfilling Life. My best wishes to you, whatever you decide.

Ahhhhh !!! Thanks so much, rawTOP. I love Berlin, but apparently now I can move back "home" !!!

I'm sorry to know it's happened to you. Most of us go through situations at some point that require us to put our own needs aside and help others. Hopefully things will get resolved soon, and you can return to a more favorable pattern in the near future.

You're completely correct in pointing out the original post asked a fairly amorphous question of us, and most of us responded in the same way. As often happens, this most interesting thread developed legs of it's own. As I see it, this is the purpose of these discussions: we get to share our perspectives on many issues, and do it in a safe, non -judgemental fashion. As you point out, to the general question of asked about the general question of "outing", a substantial majority responded in the same general way. When we got down to some of the nitty gritty however, the discussion developed a deeper, richer exchange of ideas. Other than Breeding Zone, where else in the gay ether do we have the opportunity to do this? We learn to grow in our human-ness from each other, and that's a really cool thing. Almost makes me want to forgive whoever it was that invented the internet in the first place - and although he claimed to, I rather doubt it was Al Gore.

Agreed. Another way to put it might be: casual sex is transactional - each guy gets out of it what he puts into it. As long as each respects the other's needs, it's all good. Some guys enjoy, perhaps even need to be treated like "trash". I don't know or understand anything about that inclination, but I don't have to either. All I need to do is respect it. Congrats. I don't think all that many Tops are interested in that kind of behavior anyway, but again, a scene between two guys is essentially a brief "contract", and "special effects" should always be mentioned before the scene, if only to inform the other guy what's desired/expected. For example, I wouldn't consider performing some of the debasing acts that may be desired by a bottom, and both he and I would excuse ourselves with a smile and a "good luck, bud". Exactly. All of us need to reflect on who we are, what do we need/want from our sex partners, Find out who we are. Do the intellectual work. Root out the cultural bullshit, and figure out how to be whole, emotionally healthy men that fuck each other without any barriers to our fulfillment. I'm sorry this was your experience, and I hope you've recovered as fully as possible from it. Again, this particular ethic is entirely situational. It's absolutely possible to share your life with a man who you deeply love, and who returns that love - all they while being as promiscuous as your Lusts will allow. I know this because I enjoyed exactly this kind of relationship for just over 30 years. While he and I performed all kinds of outrageous sexually acts, we did so together, we did so singly, and we loved each other until the moment he passed. Love is definitely not an illusion, but it can be hard to find. I know I was more fortunate in this regard than many, but I also know that it's a real possibility. Neither of us were "ashamed" of any sexual exploits, we enjoyed our sexuality completely, just like every other less ... "thrilliing?" aspects of our lives. So when are you going to add the appropriate title to your screen name? Maybe you could consider "PozTalkAuthorPhilosopher" ??? 🤍

Thanks for your well-thought-out response. These ethical questions we're discussing seem to wind up in a similar place, that being that our individual ethics, while possibly varying in personal identification, are - in the end - situational decisions all folks need to make/observe as best they can. It's good to be able to discuss, engage with our peers on issues like this, and if I had to choose only one reason why I enjoy BZ so much, this discussion would be #1 on my own personal list.

This is the most obvious oxymoron I've seen or heard in a long time. There is no possible way a man could be both a practicing gay man (i.e. having regular gay sex at night) and an "upright Evangelical Christian" during the day. The implication, is at the very least, one of a seriously disturbed "dual personality"; more likely a man of breathtaking dishonesty first with himself, and certainly with others. These two characteristics are like oil and water - they simply do not mix. No man (or woman) could actually be both at the same time, since the message of the Evangelical faction of Christianity demands that adherents reject any sexual contact outside of Church-sanctioned marriage; and obviously only with the opposite sex, for the purpose of procreation. As to the "absolute privacy" reference, there is no such thing, other than living alone on some deserted island in the middle of some ocean. This would obviate any chance of having sex with another human being. In our society/world-order, there are degrees of rights-of-privacy, but none are absolute. We simply depend on the decency of our fellow human beings to honor this cultural tradition, mostly honored for fear of that tradition not being honored by others towards us. It applies to most facets of everyday life, but it's anything but "absolute". Each of us gets to decide where on that scale of relativity where we want to live our lives, but frankly, there is only one "absolute"; that being the fact that each our lives will end one day. Everything else is relative and/or situational.

I'll gladly take both - but if pressed to decide on one or the other, my Cock votes for the group scene ...

I have every confidence that you will change the name of that location: from Blackpool to .... wait for it .... CUMPOOL !!! 😉

Just a reminder - it's a great bar, but during the renovation (new owners = physical plant repairs), there may not be much fucking going on. However, there's plenty of that adjacent to/behind the used furniture store on the corner, and until dawn.

Excellent !!! Hopefully there will be plenty of men in the traditional sartorial splendor of your nation: KILTS - with no other interfering garments underneath them. They can skip the bagpipes though; I reckon there will be better things to blow ...

Thanks for stepping into the light, ktopper. We look forward to hearing more from your extensive years of experience !!

While I'm uncut, the foreskin pulls back by itself when I'm hard (maybe it just got tired of trying to re-cover (or recover?) the head after all these years, and the sensation of a lot of thick, wiry Holehair on the rim of the Cockhead is one of my favorite sensations. Plus, the visuals of a wet, thickly haired Hole - tongue-wrestling any Sperm off previous Cocks out of the Holehair - is one of life's total pleasures.

You "nutshelled" this discussion perfectly, and I'll go one more step: Actively gay men publicly maligning men in our community, while attempting to remain in the closet, is a fool's errand.